The Utah Ranch

[Kalinoux]

Hello to all, Hello Andy,

I hope it's only the beginning of a long discussion and exchange of information

Yes, as you seem to be, I'm fascinated by the Utah Ranch.

One of the best references about this topic are I think the articles written par G. Knapp in 2002.

Who is George Knapp? A famous investigator on unexplained phenomena.

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Investigative reporter

Thursday, November 21, 2002
Copyright © Las Vegas Mercury
Cover story: 'Path of the Skinwalker'
A small ranch in northern Utah may be the strangest place on Earth
By George Knapp


I'm sitting on a white plastic chair in what seems like total darkness. Strapped to my chest and shoulders is an array of electronic gear--microphones, a video camera, a box that detects magnetic changes and a Geiger counter. Somewhere in the mix is a flashlight, the only device whose function I understand, and thus, the only device I cannot find.

[…]

Some very strange things have happened at the precise spot where I'm sitting. It is here that a visitor was accosted by a roaring but nearly invisible creature, something akin to the Predator of movie fame. It is here that a Ph.D. physicist reported that his mind was invaded, literally taken over, by some sort of hostile intelligence that warned him that he was not welcome. It is here that an entire team of researchers watched in awe as a bright door or portal opened up in the darkness and a large humanoid creature crawled out before quickly vanishing. And it is here that several animals--cattle and dogs--were mutilated, obliterated or simply disappeared.

For as long as anyone can remember, this part of north-eastern Utah has been the site of simply unbelievable paranormal activity. UFOs, Sasquatch, cattle mutilations, psychic manifestations, creatures that aren't found in any zoos or textbooks, poltergeist events. You name it, residents here have seen it.

[…]

The bulletproof wolf

On the day the Gormans moved their furnishings onto the property, they had their first foreshadowing of the events that would follow. They spotted an extremely large wolf out in the pasture. The wolf cautiously made its way across the field, and, to the surprise of everyone, sidled up to the family, acting like it was a familiar pet. It had rained that day, and the family remembers the wolf smelled like a wet dog as they were petting it.
After a few minutes, the wolf strolled over to the corral and grabbed a calf by its snout, attempting to pull it through the corral bars. Gorman and his father began beating on the wolf's back with sticks but it wouldn't release the calf. Gorman grabbed a .357 Magnum from his truck and shot the wolf at point-blank range. The slug had no noticeable effect. Gorman pumped another bullet into the wolf, which then let go of the calf but stood looking at the family as if nothing had happened. Gorman shot it two more times with the powerful handgun. The big animal backed off a bit, but showed no signs of distress, not even any blood.

[…]

Over the next two years, a menagerie of weird animals was reported by family members and neighbours….

UFOs and other aerial oddities

In the spring of 1995, the Gormans started seeing strange things in the sky. While out checking on their cattle, Gorman and his nephew spotted what they thought was a recreational vehicle parked on the property. They approached it, figuring the driver might be having mechanical trouble. As they got closer, the RV moved silently away from them. They moved closer, it moved further away. They climbed a fence to get a better look at it, and that's when they knew this was no Winnebago. The craft rose above the treetops and slowly flew away, making no sound as it departed. It certainly wasn't a helicopter. The witnesses had a clear view and say the object was shaped like a refrigerator, with a single light on its front and a red light on the back.
Before long, everyone in the family was seeing weird aerial objects….

[…}

By early 1996, the sightings of blue spheres at the ranch became almost commonplace. These orbs were said to be about the size of a softball, made of glass and filled with bubbling blue liquids that seemed to rotate inside. Mr. and Mrs. Gorman say that in April 1996, they watched one of the blue orbs repeatedly circle the head of one of their horses, The horse was illuminated by an intense blue light, and there was a sound like static electricity in the air, but this wasn't ball lightning. The orb seemed to be intelligently controlled. When Gorman approached the horse with a flashlight, the orb darted off, manoeuvring through tree branches with speed and dexterity.

[…]

Mutilations and other animal mysteries

Tom Gorman wasn't some country-bumpkin farmer trying to get by. He had college degrees and advanced training in animal husbandry, was considered an expert in artificial insemination and had plans for raising hybrid, high-end stock at the picturesque ranch. His herd, which ranged from 60-80 head, consisted of expensive, top-of-the-line heifers and four 2,000-pound show-class bulls.
From the day he moved his herd onto the ranch, though, his hopes--and his animals--seemed to be under assault. The balls of light that were seen so often on the property seemed to take special interest in the cattle and were often seen buzzing around the heads of the animals. Sometimes, the cattle would react violently, the herd splitting suddenly as if some invisible force was plowing through their middle. It soon got worse.

[…] One April afternoon, Gorman and his wife took a quick drive to town for supplies. As they passed the corral that contained their four bulls, they commented to each other that they would really be in trouble if something should happen to one of the bulls.
When they returned to the ranch less than an hour later, all four of the bulls were gone. The Gormans began a frantic search for the missing behemoths but couldn't find a trace. As a last resort, Gorman decided to peek into a metal trailer that is situated inside the corral. He thought it highly unlikely that the bulls would be inside because, from the corral, there is only one door into the trailer and it was secured with thick metal wire, wire that clearly was still in place.
Gorman was shocked to see that all four of his bulls were inside the trailer, squeezed like so many oversized sardines into the tiny enclosure, crammed in against the sides of the trailer and against each other. When he yelled to his wife that he had found them, the bulls seemingly woke up, as if from a dream state, and started kicking the hell out of the trailer and each other.
"There is simply no way that anyone could coax those four bulls into that trailer," says Colm Kelleher, a microbiologist who would come to know the Gormans well. "It would be tough enough to get one of them into the trailer, but all four? Virtually impossible. The only door leading from the corral into the trailer was still securely fastened with wire. And there were cobwebs on the inside of the door, proving that it had not been opened. It's almost as if someone overheard the ranchers' worries about their bulls, then decided to mess with them."

NIDS * to the rescue

Kelleher didn't realize it back in 1996, but the Gorman ranch was to soon become his home away from home. Kelleher is the deputy administrator of NIDS, the National Institute for Discovery Science, a Las Vegas-based research organization founded by local businessman Robert Bigelow. Bigelow's long-standing interest in paranormal topics, including UFOs, animal mutilations and human consciousness, prompted him to assemble an impressive team of physicists, engineers, psychologists and other doctorate-level professionals for the purpose of investigating subjects that are largely shunned by mainstream science.

[…]

No one who has studied this can say with any certainty what's going on here. The NIDS researchers are not making any claims about E.T.s or ghosts or Skinwalkers. They are merely collecting data and trying to make some sense of it. That is small comfort to me as I sit in the darkness on my little plastic chair, waiting for something to happen. The mind certainly can play tricks in such an environment, but could so many witnesses be completely wrong?

*NIDS (National Institute for Discovery of Science) NIDS

Here one of their report about cattle mutilation in Utah Ranch NIDS_cattle mutilation

You can read the complete article here Rense Utah Ranch

... to be continued

Kalinoux

[Kalinoux]

Hello,

There are a lot of others articles, and I'll give you more references about but I just want to give you this reference :

Knapp Kelleher

Cover of the book

This is a book written in cooperation between a member of the NIDS team and Knapp the investigative reporter about the Utah Ranch...

If I understood well, Andy appreciated to read this book

Kalinoux

[Kalinoux]

Here extracts of a second article by Knapp

Thursday, November 28, 2002

Copyright © Las Vegas Mercury
Close encounters, part two
Las Vegas businessman sets up shop at Utah ranch to study paranormal activities
By George Knapp

This is the second of two reports about persistent stories of anomalous phenomena in a section of north-eastern Utah. The activity, as reported by hundreds of witnesses over several decades, includes UFOs, unusual balls of light, animal mutilations and disappearances, poltergeist events, sightings of Bigfoot-like creatures and other unidentified animals, physical effects on plants, soil, animals and humans, and a vast array of other unexplained incidents.

[...]

It began as a dull white light, appearing out of nowhere in the darkness of the middle homestead of the Gorman ranch. Tom Gorman saw it. So did a researcher named Chad Deetken. It was nearly 2 a.m. on Aug. 28, 1997. Gorman and Deetken were out in the pasture as part of an ongoing effort to document unusual activity on the property.
Both men watched intently as the light grew brighter. It was as if someone had opened a window or doorway. Gorman grabbed his night vision binoculars to get a better look but could hardly believe what he was seeing. The dull light began to resemble a bright portal, and at one end of the portal, a large, black humanoid figure seemed to be struggling to crawl through the tunnel of light.
After a few minutes, the humanoid figure wriggled out of the light and took off into the darkness. As it did, the window of light snapped shut, as if someone had flicked the "off" switch. Deetken had the presence of mind to snap a few photos of the event, but would later learn that his film had recorded little of what the two men had witnessed.

[...]

Enter Robert Bigelow and NIDS

Las Vegas businessman Robert Bigelow first heard about the Gorman ranch in the summer of 1996. A small newspaper article about mysterious events at the property prompted Bigelow and his team to fly to Utah. Bigelow bought the ranch and convinced Tom Gorman to stay on as caretaker, against the wishes of his family.
Bigelow is the founder of NIDS, the National Institute for Discovery Science, a Las Vegas research organization dedicated to the study of unexplained phenomena. NIDS staff members include highly trained and educated scientists, engineers and former law enforcement personnel with solid credentials, degrees and experience. Although the organization investigates seemingly bizarre events, it has no preconceived ideas about the true nature of the subject matter and is primarily interested in getting to the truth, wherever that truth leads. (This observation is a personal one, based on more than six years of interaction with the NIDS organization.)

[...]

The Gorman ranch presented a unique opportunity to study a rich tapestry of strange stuff. It was as if someone had ordered up the Weirdness Pizza With Everything on It. UFOs and Sasquatch, balls of light and cattle mutilations, poltergeists and crop circles, psychic manifestations and Native American legends--the ranch sounded like a unique place in all the world.

[...]

A pre-cognitive intelligence

Contrary to some predictions, the odd phenomena at the ranch didn't evaporate under the glare of scientific scrutiny. Activity continued, but grew even harder to comprehend. NIDS staffers saw the same balls of light, even UFO-type craft that the Gormans had seen. But their attempts to photograph or videotape the sightings were largely futile. Team members, accompanied by Gorman and former lawmen who were hired for the study, often saw anomalous aerial phenomena, with their eyes, their binoculars and with night vision equipment. With few exceptions, though, the images inexplicably could not be recorded on film or video.
A confidential report prepared for NIDS board members and obtained by this reporter documents dozens of encounters involving NIDS staffers, the Gormans and other witnesses. After several months of round-the-clock surveillance, a mind-boggling pattern began to emerge. The phenomena, whatever they represent, seemed capable of anticipating the moves of the scientists. If they placed extra cameras and personnel in the southern field, the activity would pop up in the northern pasture. If they concentrated their observations in the center homestead, the activity might move to the ridge overlooking the ranch.

[...]

Ice and dinosaurs

As if to punctuate the point, the phenomena at the ranch seemed to constantly evolve. One of the most recent incidents occurred on a cold morning in February. The caretaker for the property was patrolling the grounds early in the morning. As he walked past a watering hole, he noticed an odd circular impression in the thin ice that had formed overnight. Something had carved a perfect circle in the ice. The circle was just under six feet in diameter and seemed oddly reminiscent of the crop formations seen in English wheat fields.

[...]

More cattle deaths

Two days before the above incident, another animal was found mutilated on the ranch, and it is the only case from the ranch that NIDS has publicly confirmed before this article. Gorman and his wife spent a bright Sunday morning tagging the ears of newborn calves. They put a tag on the ear of a calf born near the ranch house, then wandered out into the pasture for a period of 45 minutes. In that interim period, with the Gormans only 200 yards away in the pasture, the calf was completely stripped of flesh. The Gormans were alerted by a wail from the mother of the calf. The calf's entrails had been placed, almost ritualistically, on the ground, but all of its flesh was simply gone, leaving only bone and hide behind. There was no blood on the ground or on the animal.

[...]

So, what's going on?

Capt. Keith Wolverton spent more than 20 years as an investigator with the Cascade County Sheriff's Department in Great Falls, Mont. In the mid-'70s, that area experienced a similar wave of UFO sightings and cattle mutilations, as well as Bigfoot sightings, and Wolverton investigated them all.
"I asked my boss back then to give me six weeks to solve the mystery," Wolverton says. "It's 30 years later and I'm still left with a lot of questions but no answers."

[...]

The main reason NIDS has been unwilling to go public with information about the ranch is there isn't much that can be said. For a scientific organization to merely toss out a lot of scary stories would be counterproductive, especially if it resulted in hordes of UFO nuts flooding the property and interfering with whatever goes on there. Make no mistake, the activity at the ranch certainly seems to have an interactive component. It responds to people, events and disturbances. In many instances, it seems capable of anticipating things that were about to happen.
"The only thing that jumps out of the data is how unreproduceable these things are," Kelleher notes. "No two events ever repeated themselves in the same fashion. It's almost as if it's a learning curve and we were being led along. It's the only thing consistent here."

[...]

Hardcore UFO believers have proposed an E.T. connection to events at the ranch, but NIDS staffers say there isn't an iota of evidence to prove such a hypothesis. The possibility exists that unknown military units might be capable of producing nearly all of the events that have been reported in the area, perhaps as an experiment in psychological warfare. (Tom Gorman was convinced of this for a long time, but came to realize the theory was more than a stretch. Someone, somewhere would have seen these military men operating in such a rural area.)

That doesn't leave much. There is one possibility that's worth considering. Cutting-edge physicists have proposed the existence of alternate dimensions or parallel universes. Quantum physicists believe that portals may exist between our world and other worlds. The concept of wormholes is no longer considered to be the stuff of science fiction. New York physicist and author Michio Kaku * theorizes that there are 11 dimensions in our universe, although humans have only identified four. Might a wormhole resemble the portal of light that was seen on the ranch? And if such portals do exist, could they allow beings on the other side to travel into our world? As wacky as it all sounds, leading scientists believe that wormholes and alternate dimensions are perfectly consistent with known laws of physics. If so, then it isn't much of a leap to suggest that UFOs, aliens, Bigfoot beings or other creatures, even poltergeists or spirits, could come and go and never be detected by puzzled, mystified humans.
"Aliens may be here now," says Kaku, "here in another dimension, a millimeter away from our own world."
Admittedly, it all sounds farfetched. But if anyone has a better explanation, let's hear it.

[...]

Michio Kaku * Michio Kaku

Regards,

Kalinoux

[Kalinoux]

Hello

The Daily Grail magazine offers the possibility to download "Sub Rosa" Where Science and Magic, Myth and History meet

Sub Rosa

If you download the issue 4, you'll also find an article about :

Hunt for the Skinwalker

Have a nice evening

Kalinoux

[Kalinoux]

Hello,

Here another link about the same topic :

KSL TV

Kalinoux

[Kalinoux]

Hello,

To go on with references I have on my side about the Utah Ranch, you'll find below one of the most interesting article dealing with this topic. I find it interesting because, he discusses several possibilities which could be an explanation to the phenomena observed in the ranch

ovni.ch_utah ranch

This is a conference made by Gildas Bourdais :

Third international UFO Conference, Ireland, 23/24 September 2006

In his text, he also speaks about anothe ranch located in Colorado, I have also an article about this other strange ranch, written by Dennis William Hauck. I'll put the reference here.

Regards,

Kalinoux

[Andy]

Wow! Kalinoux, you have been busy! I'm impressed. Lots there to 'get my teeth into' so to speak. I'm a bit busy at the moment, it's Bank holiday weekend and we have friends coming to stay (i'm going to take them on a night-time tour of Rendlesham However, rest assured, in the next few days i will get posting, and compare some of the events of the Utah Ranch to Rendlesham.
Regards
Andy

[Andy]

The bullet proof wolf: I have no tales of wolves in Rendlesham, (anyone else?) other than an anecdote. One night i was in the forest with Brenda Butler and an elderly gentleman who was with us commented on hearing 'wolves' in the forest on previous night time visits. He asked of any tales of werewolves inhabiting the forest? Most disappointingly Brenda explained that someone nearby breeds Huskey dogs, and this is what the man had heard howling. Must have sounded very spooky though? Had i not known, i would have been out of that forest very quick had i heard it!

However in East Anglia (where Rendlesham forest is situated) we have 'Black Shuck.' (Reference: Haunted Suffolk by Pete Jennings (ISBN 0-7524-3844-1) Pete writes:'Black Shuck is the legendary devil dog that roams...all around the East Anglian coastline. An American serviceman and his wife witnessed it throwing itself against the wooden walls of their hut during a storm one night at Walberswick Marsh. In 1938, an Aldeburgh man encountered it near Ditchingham railway station....an old chap...was walking with his bike...when a huge, shaggy black dog with fiery red eyes came towards him...he was amazed and startled when the dog walked straight through him...Just as well he did not look into those evil eyes, since to do so means death. You can still see scorch marks on the door where Black Shuck tried to claw his way out of the beautiful Holy Trinity church at Blytheburgh on 14 August 1577, having killed a man and a boy. The hound has been spotted on the A12 and more recently between 1978 and 1985 by a policeman called Craig Jenkins. There was also a sighting at Oulton Broad. During that same wild and stormy day in 1577 he also visited St Mary's church, Bungay, where two more people were killed. His presence at other sites has also presaged death and destruction. It is thought that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle got the idea for the Hound of the Baskervilles after hearing tales of the beast during a stay in East Anglia.'

[Andy]

However, reading about Black Shuck on the A12 road mentioned above, i do wonder if it is the Big Cat (Panther) that roams this area, that was seen instead? and has been seen in Rendlesham forest; a friend's husband also saw it run across the road in front of his car, very near to Rendlesham.

http://www.scottishbigcats.co.uk

[Andy]

The blue orbs at the ranch that were mentioned also fascinate me. I realise that Admin has a different opinion on this, which i don't dispute ie illuminated dust particles picked up on the camera, but the ones at the ranch could be physically seen by the eye and not just picked up on a camera. I'm not someone prone to hallucinations and also well aware how the eyes can be tricked. But i am adamant i have physically seen orbs with the naked eye. All three (seperate sightings) were about the size of a British ten pence piece (the one in Rendlesham was slightly larger, but not the size of a soft ball). The first one i saw was electric blue in colour, the third orange. The second sighting was in Rendlesham forest one night as it moved amongst the trees on track 12 (now eight). I saw it and said to Brenda Butler, did you see that orb in the trees over there? She responded, oh yes, a red one, as it reappeared through the trees. Now i hadn't told Brenda what colour it was, but yes, the one i saw was red. Why didn't she say oh yes, the yellow, pink, blue, orange one etc? but she didn't. Therefore, arguably, could not have been figments of our imagination?

[Kalinoux]

Hello Andy,

I'm glad to see that you anyway took some times to already post messages about the ranch ... I'll come back about your posts, I just wanted to give you the following information : in june this year, the 2nd International Scientific and Metaphysical Symposium will be organized ... in Sydney ....

2007 2nd International Scientific & Metaphysical Symposium

see the link Sydney Conference

Most of the speakers already confirmed they will take part, and one of them is

To be held in Sydney, Australia, in June of this year. Speakers
are as follows:

George Knapp USA: First time in Australia, George Knapp,
acclaimed investigative journalist and author of Hunt For The
Skinwalker talks about the true story of what really happened at
the Skinwalker Ranch in Utah, USA. In the mid 90s, a cattle
ranching family moved to an isolated ranch in Northeast Utah to
lead a quiet life only to be terrorized by a series of seemingly
unrelated and unexplainable events. Unable to control the
powerful forces invading their lives, the family sold the ranch
to a Las Vegas billionaire who funded a team of senior research
scientists to investigate the phenomena there. The accounts of
encounters with flying objects, mutilated cattle, disembodies
voices, teleported objects, strange lights and invisible
creatures read like a catalogue of the weird. A lecture not to
be missed.

I just have to hope that the 3rd conference will take place in Paris

Regards,

Kalinoux

[Andy]

That's interesting Kalinoux, ie Knapp a Las Vegas billionaire. Never knew that. However, someone with that sort of money, obviously is not out to make money? surely? Plus he would have the money to investigate something he was genuinely interested in? Also, they spent (correct me if i'm wrong) eight years investigating it? Like i said, there are too many similarities to Rendlesham. Also interesting that both, similar phenomenon, on different sides of the Atlantic, were next to Military bases?

[Kalinoux]

Hello Andy,

Knapp a Las Vegas billionaire

No Andy, Knapp isn't the Las Vegas billionnaire who bought the ranch. It's Bigelow :

Have a look at one the links I gave in my first post :

NIDS To The Rescue

Kelleher didn't realize it back in 1996, but the Gorman ranch was to soon become his home away from home. Kelleher is the deputy administrator of NIDS, the National Institute for Discovery Science, a Las Vegas-based research organization founded by local businessman Robert Bigelow. Bigelow's long-standing interest in paranormal topics, including UFOs, animal mutilations and human consciousness, prompted him to assemble an impressive team of physicists, engineers, psychologists and other doctorate-level professionals for the purpose of investigating subjects that are largely shunned by mainstream science.

The owner of the ranch is Robert Bigelow, the billionnaire who assembled a staff of high scientific level to study all unexplained phenomena.
Knapp is a famous inverstigatoir in paranormal, so we can easily imagine, he was closed to the NIDS. As far as I know, he is officially the only journalist who has been allowed to enter the ranch.

Here is the link :

Rense_Utah Ranch

Officially, the "NIDS" is closed today, but to be honnest I don't really believe it. Have a look at this extract of J. Vallée's interview :

SR: On those connections – you were a member
of the scientific advisory board for the National
Institute of Discovery Science during the investigation of the so-called ‘Skinwalker Ranch’. The recent book by George Knapp and Colm Kelleher (featured also in this issue of Sub Rosa) on this investigation featured a great deal of anecdotal evidence for anomalous craft, strange beings and poltergeist-like phenomenon. From your point of view, do you feel this investigation was a success, and were there any aspects that were of particular interest to you?

JV: I am still a member of that Board, now restructured under Bigelow Aerospace, so I feel bound by the non-disclosure agreement
I signed.

SR: In considering research into this type of phenomena, is it really possible to approach it via the strict protocols of science? Science itself has become so entrenched with physicalist philosophy
and the concept of the dominance of humanity – is it a suitable method for studying a phenomenon which may be capable of intelligently
manipulating observations and results (the ‘trickster’ element often spoken of in the paranormal)? It seems to me that any number of situations – if consciousness can affect reality (and therefore influence test results), if we are within a Matrix-like virtual environment, or as you say that UFOs may be a kind of control system
– then the scientific method may not in fact be the best way of investigating. In Messengers of Deception you discuss ‘intelligence gathering’ as a method perhaps better suited to the job. What are your thoughts now on this issue?

This extract comes from the 4th issue from Sub Rosa, that you can download on the Daily Grail magazine (I gave the link in a message above).

So the NIDS is closed but the staff is still active, that's what I understand.

Also, they spent (correct me if i'm wrong) eight years investigating it?

You're fully right. As far as I know (and I read) Bigelow bought the ranch in 1996 and the first articles published I know are the ones written par Knapp in 2002 or 2003. In his second article, he wrote the following :

Another word of warning to UFO diehards: It is probably futile to ask for restraint on the part of the faithful, but here goes anyway. Visitors are not welcome at the Gorman ranch. The ranch is patrolled 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and NIDS emphatically declares that trespassers will be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. One of the principal caretakers of the property is a 20-year veteran of Utah law enforcement and will not hesitate to bust people who mess with the property, the animals or the staff. The people who live in the area do not want to be hassled. So leave them alone. Don't be a jerk.

And then, there is photo of the entrance of the ranch with the note :

NIDS strongly discourages UFO enthusiasts from trekking to the ranch. Trespassers will be prosecuted.

I can understand a little bit the reason, this is a private property and nobody has to enter it ... but is the only reason to keep the ranch under a so strong surveillance ?? Good question, isn't it

Also interesting that both, similar phenomenon, on different sides of the Atlantic, were next to Military bases?

I never heard that the Utah ranch was close to a military base, I asked directly this question to G. Knapp who I discussed a little with him through a Yahoo forum discussion and here is his answer :

There is no military
presence to speak of in that part of Utah, although there have been one or
two encounters with suspected military personnel in the vicinity of the
ranch over the years.

He agreed to say that there were some similarities between Colorado and Utah Ranch events, but confirmed that if a military base was close to the Colorado ranch, there was no base close to the Utah ranch. So, ...

Have a nice evening,

Kalinoux

[Andy]

Interesting about the military presence, Kalinoux. I must go through my notes again and get back to you on this. You are probably right, but i'm just wondering, where did i get that notion from? Like i said, i'm busy at the moment, and steal any moment i can to get on here, and the various other forums i frequent, but fascinated by Utah Ranch, like yourself. Once the Easter weekend is over then i can really get my teeth into this.

Thanks for all your postings. Fascinating reading.
Andy

[Andy]

However, the Sasquatch was another fascinating phenomena; both to the Gorman (Sherman) ranch, and Rendlesham. From 1981-1983 there were reports (from apparently various people) in Rendlesham (mainly on track 13) of a brown bear sighting. Very unlikely. But was it a sasquatch (Big foot)? Apparently the local paper took this story up (ie of the Brown Bear) but nothing was ever substantiated. A group of four school boys playing in the forest apparently saw a man-like hairy, brown figure, about seven feet tall, eating leaves off the tree just off the entrance of route 10 (now un-numbered, but opposite Foley House). In the days after, the area apparently absolutely stank! (apparently this is not uncommon when a big foot is sighted?) No other reports of sasquatch was apparently reported until 2001 when it was seen again on the path next to route 10 (where also the Big Cat was seen). Apparently individuals have heard the sasquatch 'roaring' in the forest. Individuals have spoke of feeling 'watched' when the sasquatch is around. My partner has no real interest in Rendlesham, but on a recent visit there said to me 'Andy, all the while we've walked round here, i've got the feeling that we are being watched.' ! I didn't say anything, but i have to admit, i had felt the same

http://www.bfro.net

[Andy]

When the Rendlesham incident occured, a few colleagues of mine watched the spectacle from the top storey window of a local hospital. They all described seeing five balls of bright orange light, hovering over the forest. In Utah a ball of orange light was also described, but also as a portal to other realms? And strange creatures emerging from it? Rendlesham? UFO's, Sasquatch etc?

[Andy]

Poltergeist activity is another phenomena described. Brenda Butler and others have described stones seeminly falling from out of the air and landing near them. When picked up the stones feel hot.

[Kalinoux]

Hello Andy

You are right, when I read Knapp's article, one the very interesting event was the "bullet proof wolf".

"One night i was in the forest with Brenda Butler and an elderly gentleman who was with us commented on hearing 'wolves' in the forest on previous night time visits. He asked of any tales of werewolves inhabiting the forest? Most disappointingly Brenda explained that someone nearby breeds Huskey dogs, and this is what the man had heard howling. Must have sounded very spooky though? Had i not known, i would have been out of that forest very quick had i heard it!

I just can tell you that I can understand it, because when you're in a forest by night, noises seem to be much more powerful than in full day. And I'm used to go into a particular forest where there wild animals, it's always very impressive to hear noises that you can't explain, particulary when it's dark

However in East Anglia (where Rendlesham forest is situated) we have 'Black Shuck.' (Reference: Haunted Suffolk by Pete Jennings (ISBN 0-7524-3844-1) Pete writes:'Black Shuck is the legendary devil dog that roams...all around the East Anglian coastline.

...

In 1938, an Aldeburgh man encountered it near Ditchingham railway station....an old chap...was walking with his bike...when a huge, shaggy black dog with fiery red eyes came towards him...

You can still see scorch marks on the door where Black Shuck tried to claw his way out of the beautiful Holy Trinity church at Blytheburgh on 14 August 1577, having killed a man and a boy. The hound has been spotted on the A12 and more recently between 1978 and 1985 by a policeman called Craig Jenkins. There was also a sighting at Oulton Broad. During that same wild and stormy day in 1577 he also visited St Mary's church, Bungay, where two more people were killed. His presence at other sites has also presaged death and destruction.

What I find surprising here are the dates of those events, we can imagine that if you only give 2/3 examples, it is probably very easy to find much more. Do you think so ?

It is thought that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle got the idea for the Hound of the Baskervilles after hearing tales of the beast during a stay in East Anglia.'

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I read several times that Conan Doyle was very interested and concerned by ufos ? Is it correct ?

Enjoy your week end,

Kalinoux

[Kalinoux]

In his text, he also speaks about anothe ranch located in Colorado, I have also an article about this other strange ranch, written by Dennis William Hauck. I'll put the reference here.

I'm sorry I don't find the mentionned article anymore : I can only give you a link to a french version :

Black Forest french version

Kalinoux

[Kalinoux]

Hello Andy,

However, reading about Black Shuck on the A12 road mentioned above, i do wonder if it is the Big Cat (Panther) that roams this area, that was seen instead? and has been seen in Rendlesham forest; a friend's husband also saw it run across the road in front of his car, very near to Rendlesham.

http://www.scottishbigcats.co.uk

To be honnest, I'm very impressed by this information, I've never heard before about big cats in UK

And as for the Utah Ranch, what is very surprising and hard to understand, is how those "unknown" animals, seen by people, can't be identified and captured, ... because in fact, if the mystery remains so high, isn't it because we can't capture them ?

Kalinoux