Observer and The 67th Pararescue Squadron UAV SPRITE

[John Burroughs]

I don't beleive the first night was planned! I also don't beleive it was phy ops on the first night! I beleive somthing was brought down or came down! The other 2 nights somebody besides us who we had no Idea what was going on was out in the woods looking for what came down! Beleive it or not Randles and Dot street may have been alot closer to the truth than they knew! There was alot of early interviews done by them and 3 people in the states who got in contact with Halt and Bustinza and others. We have gone back and looked at these interviews to include a US congress man who looked into this matter himself with out allowing his aides to do any of the work. Warren and Robbins also for some reason choose not to put certain things in there book that was uncovered durning the interviews! To include interviews with Verno Halt Bustinza and others. Also Bustinza stated Williams was out in the Forrest at one point and was told that Williams was not to be briefed on anything that happened and was going to be kept out of the loop!

[Observer]

I can only guess, but what came down or was brought down [one wonders who brought it down and how] was either a Russian spy SAT or Russian recci aircraft or part of it such as the cockpit/nose section, or, it was an allied aircraft?

It could have been a manned SAT.

I'm pretty sure that it was the 67th out there looking for what came down and Halt and his men were just inocent people who accidentally came across the recovery of said object and were told to keep quiet or else. Don't forget this was at the height of the cold war, so top secrecy was the order.

Just remind us what Dot and Jenny said. Jenny Randles in one interview said it was a section of a highly secret aircraft carrying a nuclear weapon that had pan caked into the woods after trying to make an emergency landing.

It was so advanced for its time that you guys thought it looked like an alien space craft.
I can think of one plane that was above top secret at that time.
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[John Burroughs]

Here is somthing interesting facts. Randles uncovered there were ships off the coast on the night of the incident! The area of the nest was restricted that night. I can't remember if it was a prison or a Hospital but it was put on notice to be Evac! That means they knew somthing was comming down! The question is how and where they brought it down! By accident right after the incident a USAF Officer stated we brought down a Russian Sat! I don't beleive there was a nuke involved but we brought down a Russian Sat. I don't beleive the 67th was out there the first night but there could have been a special ops team! When we saw somthing come down in the area they also were looking for it. Thats were the sprite comes in or the UAV that the sprite was developed off of! When we got out in the area they could have used the AFSWC portable modular EMP generator or even a EM device on us or both when we got close to it. My guess the radar site at Bawdsey was used to track it and maybe even bring it down. Puddle visted the site and there were still warning signs up about EM radition! I'm sure the Russian were not to happy about the Sat comming down and they may even have tried to find it! What ever was on that Sat was very important and that might even explain Williams flying somthing over to Germany it could have been the film out of the Sat! The Tech used is still highly classified to this day! Very little is out there on EMP pulse weapons or even the lazer used in SDI! Marconi and GE were both neck deep in this and its funny thats where Zickler landed afterwards! Halt has said he feels what ever he encounterd on the 3rd night could have been there because what had happened on the first night! He also said it was possible the 67th was out in the woods on the second night!

[Observer]

So we are now looking at the possibility that a Russian Spy SAT could have been brought down out of orbit, either deliberately or by accident. I expect the usual things on a spy SAT such as film of bases in the UK and possibly other IR info of Nuke sites around the UK.
may be this is what got flown to USAF Germany?
I'm not sure how to procede with this theory, because no body is going to say any thing.
If the 'rumour' is true that Hollesley Bay prison, only a couple of miles from Rendlesham forerst was put on some sort of EVAC standby, then that suggests that this was a deliberate act to bring down a SAT. We have already been told that some persons were expecting an object to come in over the North sea from the East, so it was expected?
I have to say that Puddle and myself tried pretty damn hard to find out about the prison EVAC story, but neither of us could find any information or could find any body with this knowledge. This is not to say it didn't happen. My only problem with this is why only a prison on EVAC standby, surely other authorities such as the fire service, Police, RAF and perhaps even local hospitals and councils, not just a prison for goodness sake.

As for the SPRITE UAV and EMP tests used on you, the only way you will ever know is if some body tells you.

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[John Burroughs]

Maybe they allready have!

[Observer]

Give me some examples of who said what in regard to a SAT coming down. Perhaps we can investigate this further, but it needs more that just hearsay. If you remember, the forum discussed this about 18 Months ago and we basically got shot down in flames by the debunkers for talking about it. So lets start again!

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[John Burroughs]

First thing you need to do is go to your friend and ask him to come clean! Alot of information has come my way in these past few months! There is no doubt the 67th was involved in this! I have found the 67th Commander let your friend know this! Also it was not a normal Soviet spy Sat that was brought down! Who were the debunkers who shot it down on this forum? If your saying it was me all I met was it was not the Sat that we came up on in the forrest and I still stand by that! There was a Sat involved in the incidents!

[Observer]

It wasn't you, but other people who used to post on the forum now and again.
Just to be clear, you say what you saw in the forest was not a SAT? So does this mean that a SAT came down earlier, but was all cleared up before you guys got out there and it was the 67th who had cleared it up?
Just what type of SAT/craft was it?

I will post my friend.

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[John Burroughs]

Ok! What time was the prison on Evac notice? What time did the report come in about a Sat comming down? What we came up to in the forrest was not the Sat! The 67th was not out there right away but remember what special ops can do and the equipment they use! They did help after the first night! Take a look at stuff that has been declassified from 1980 that the soviets had! There was a hint given in the book you can't tell the people I beleive by a OSI guy. I heard it before but it was pointed out by this guy in the book. He said it was tracked in on radar but was it tracked out?

[Observer]

We never established if the prison EVAC was true let alone what dates. I have no idea what dates and times a SAT was coming down, no body has ever said.
So what was tracked on radar could have been going out , not in. I have it on the best USAF authority that there was no flying at either base over Christmas and i think that is pretty well established.
So was it an unsceduled Russian defection to the UK or a Russian strike that went wrong???

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[John Burroughs]

December 26,1980 Cosmos 1208. Col Wicker was highly trained in recovering Sat!

[Observer]

So what are you saying, the 67th picked up COSMOS 1208. Ian Ridpath said it got burnt up on re entry? Or, are you suggesting that the film capsule from COSMOS landed in the woods and Wickers men were out looking for it? Cosmos was visible on re entry as a very bright light and it was suspected that some of you guys saw it and thought it was a UFO.
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[John Burroughs]

Observer
Take the time to look it up! Part of the Sat if you look at the site on Russian Sat does not burn up but returns to earth and is recovered the other part does burn up! 2 film capsule are returned early durning the mission the last one plus part of the Sat return to earth and are recovered to be reused! Take a look at the site plus if you have time look up Russian spetsnaz GRU VMF special forces!

[Observer]

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Looking back on some of our old posts that you high lighted brought me to your pictures of 'Senior Trend' and Jim Pennistons sketches. They are uncannily similar, and if you removed the wings, even more so!!
I'm not sure this mystery involves a SAT, but I could be wrong.

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[Observer]

John
I read the site about the COSMOS re entry and what comes down. All i say is that the bits that burnt up are the bright lights in the sky you guys saw. Check Ian Ridpath's account.
I guess its possible that the booster stage came back to earth at Rendlesham, but that was more by luck than judgement. If this is the reason for the RFI, what the F----- is all the secrecy about??? The cold war finnished years ago and we are on much better terms with the Russians now. I don't buy this secrecy bit. Wicker was not the 67TH commander over that period, check your medal honours web site.
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[John Burroughs]

Observer
I have been in contact with Col Wicker and according to him he was in charge at the time of the incident! He would like more information from your friend IE who was his supervisor how did he come to find out about this! Was he there or did someone tell him about it and was that person there! Last but not least you have said he was not the commander at the time please show me where that came from!

[Observer]

My friend was on duty on the flight line over those nights and he said he saw nothing unusual, and no, i don't know who his supervisor was. Wicker or not Wicker, whoever it was has never said a word about this incident and neither did your commander, at least not a TV interview. My friend wishes to stay anonemous and i have to respect that.
If this is turning into yet another forum argument, i see no point in continuing the debate because it is getting us no where. Find some one else to argue with. However, my re appearance on the forum and the type of responses i have been getting has confirmed some of my suspicians and beliefs.
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[John Burroughs]

Very interesting responce Observer! I have made contact with Col Wicker after you and your friend have come up with more than one story about the 67th being involved in this incident! I'm trying to find out if they were in fact involved and I beleive the commander of the 67th would have some idea! As far as the Sat goes almost from the beggining a officer at the base let it slip that we brought down a Russian Sat and then went out and recovered it. I know there were Helo working in the woods after the incident M-W I was told Helo came in on the Airplane on Sunday night! I know they lifted somthing out of the woods and brought it over to the 67th area! Col Halt has said he was told a Sat was recovered and guess what Col Wicker had special training in Sat recovery. I know who your friend is it is true we had a exchange a few years ago but he backed off when I asked him to prove what he had to say not out of fear but out of not being able to support what he had said. I beleive if what happened to us involved in any way a military operation the 67th would be involved! The funney thing is you first came out with the story it involved the Gemini space capsule then changed it to a hang glider which is it? The one thing I beleive is that if the 67th was involved and what happened was classified they would make sure the true story did not come out! Please state your suspicians and beleifs or is this just a excuse to hit and run again!!

[Observer]

No, its not another hit and run, and you have already confirmed my suspicians.
If what you suspect is true, the Russians would know, there's no doubt about that, but they arn't about to go to war over it 20 years later. Who was the Officer that let slip it was a SAT, lets talk to him?
Its 2009 and the cold war ended many years ago, so what's the big secret. Hardly a hanging offence now.

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[John Burroughs]

A person looking into the incident a couple of years after it happened was told that! He talked to a officer who claims he was called to a Emergency staff meeting on Sunday after Halts incident on Sat night. A article was wriiten about this meeting but one of the other things that came up was a statement saying we may have brought down a Russian Sat. Halt has also said he heard a Russian Sat was recovered after the incident! When I asked him about what I saw being lifted out of the woods he said that could be what I saw. The russian would not go to war over somthing like this but we would not admit thats what happened! If we brought it down what we used could still be classified. Also there is the question on what happened inside the WSA and the fact a officer from DOE has come forword and stated 2 devices were removed afterwards. That was in Hastings article and Halt has said he spoke to the officer involved and beleives what he said happened. Again I beleive if it was a military operation the 67th was involved in it someway! The problem I have is what I saw was not a classified hang glider or Gemini capsule! Nor was it the lighthouse or planets in the sky. If your 67th guy knows somthing have him give us somthing we can work with!