30th Anniversary Conference discussion/Binary Code [merged]

[Observer]

DP

You have skirted round several possible scenarios and you have dipped your toes in to test the water.
There are one or two things worth bearing in mind when we look at the human aspect of this event.

The ARRS along with their special ops squadron the 67th were mostly made up of ex NAM Vets. They were a hard nosed bunch to took no shit from any one including Officers and they took no enemies. They worked hard played hard and did joint ops with the SAS. They were famous for out landish practical jokes and no boundaries were ever raised as far as they were concerned. They were experts at diversionary tactics and used some of this expertise during their practical jokes. SP.s were a particular target as were Officers from the flying side or admin side. Lt Col Halt was a figure on base for some ridicule by certain sections and was known by some as Mr Magoo.

So throw this into the equasion and you may begin to see that this incident was with out doubt man made.

If there was some unsceduled event/mishap/crime/ or any other incident that required some cover up off base that needed taking care of, the 67th would be the guys to do it. They would have the expertise to put diversionary tactics into operation. It was policy to try and contain incidents with out involving the British authorities such as the Police which was what it was like then. Today due to much stricter protocols, the slightest sniff of wrong doing off base and the local Bill are called.
Directly after Christmas 1980, Sgt Berg and a few of his men were shipped stateside and then thrown out of the USAF for serious 'substance' abuse at Woody.
I know most of this because two ARRS guys who were based at Woody and their wives have been my friends for over 30 years.

Obs

[IanR]

I think it’s worth reflecting on the damage that this case has done to the whole of UFOlogy. Rendlesham has for many years been among the top ten cases in UFOlogy and has been creeping to the top as Roswell’s star has waned. I have come across many statements on the Internet along the lines of “Rendlesham is my favourite case, it has the best witnesses”. Now that these people are finding out that this isn’t true, I’m wondering how it will affect their attitude to other cases.

Ian

[Observer]

Ian

It's rather ironic that a very similar incident to the RFI happened at Hollaman AFB, but this time it was witnessed by scores more servicemen and Officers, yet it scarcly gets a mention. From one Officer I talked to who witnessed the 'lights' etc, he felt it was far more significant than Rendlesham, mainly because it happened in their own back yard so to speak.

Obs

[Daniel]

This 'new' information is no doubt going to push away many people from what may have happened on the first night. This information is now pointing to Alien/Time Traveller involvement, in which not everyone will follow. I'm not trying to spend a whole lot of time on the Binary Code, as its origins pretty much point 99% at Jim. The chances of Alien/Time Travel visitation is less than 1%, that and the somewhat comprehensible message can only point to the message being hoaxed.

Still I ask questions to myself, looking at the images, the sequence seems to have been written down quickly and not in clear 8-bit blocks, did he do this for authenticity? Why were there no binary bits for spaces and punctuation? Why was everything capitalised, and in areas words were mispelt? If I were to hoax this I would be exact with my grammar, to make it look like someone or something that sent it was quite intelligent.

There was possibly the chance that Jim was fed this data through hypnosis during his debrief to the OSI. But then why would they have created a message using 8-bit ascii when it wasn't widely used at that time, or create possible grid coordinates that Google Earth only seems to be happy with? Guess the AFOSI would need a time machine or some piece of portable hardware to see into the future and write a message of disinformation to release on the correct date.

Not sure what Jim's motives are, but I'd be more than happy to look at the other Binary pages, whenever they may be released. At the moment I put together a piece of PHP script to do what Frank did a few pages back. I'll look into this whenever I feel like wasting time, as nothing important is going to come from it. I see earthfiles lists CEPR as part of the message, but I feel the CE could be junk or part of another word where as PR is more than likely OR to be followed by BEFORE; not that it's important or anything.

About the Drugs busts, I know that in 1980 both RAF Mildenhall and Lakenheath had Servicemen caught at parties, so there is no doubt there was a lot of investigations going on in that year and probably all USAF bases in Europe.

I honestly haven't had the time to look, but did anyone post up the full Q&A that was done at the 30th Anniversary Conference?

[Admin]

People are having trouble with the truth we see. The codes we believe are not for public consumption. No personal profit is made with the release of these codes. All proceeds have went to charity from the Woodbridge 30 year Anniversary. We are astonished, that many have missed what these messages actually mean......

[Admin]

Anyone catch/record/have links to download the two recent podcasts with John and Jim?

[alive555]

That binary code revelation was, (as Billy Connolly put it so famously) was about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. (in this case alien spacesuit from wal mart).

If the evidence pointed towards the possibility of this whole story as being at least in part credible - now its really all pretty incredible.

[pupil88]

How to read binary in crop circles.

ones and zeros. ( Flattened corn or erect corn).

The circle is read from counter clockwise or the inside out


http://www.fromthestars.com/page17.html

The first and the third crop circles were made by aliens.

How do I know? Let’s see if you can figure it out.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=508

If you can identify five functions and scenes I described, your doing well.
If not, you lack analysis and cognitive skills. Go on to the next url. No further help is forthcoming.

http://s389.photobucket.com/albums/oo33 ... circle.png

Click down to August 2002 Bulletin

Click on Click here for a translation of the 2002 message.

I believe all or most of the photos here are copyright by Lucy Pringle.

[Frank]

‘A few good men’.. haha, wasn’t that the megalomaniac who took the law in his own hands and was finally exposed as someone who was hiding the truth?

It seems the witnesses are not interested in finding out the truth but want to convince everyone of their truth. Unfortunately there is no convincing evidence so this is getting nowhere fast.

It makes me think about something that happened in Holland in 1987. A famous Dutch actor was convinced that running a particular play in the Dutch theaters would provoke anti-Semitism, so he tried to stop it. He got very frustrated that he couldn’t convince the general public of something that was so evident to him. He was quite a character, had some narcissistic traits, and was completely convinced he was right.
In a final attempt he did something extraordinary: He staged his own kidnapping by a (non-existent) Dutch neo-nazi group. He got the whole country in an uproar and was finally exposed by the Belgian police (he was hiding in Belgium). Later he wrote a book about this strange episode in his life.

@Ian: It certainly changed my attitude towards ufology, though I still would be surprised if we are not observed, given the size and age of the Universe and the Fermi Paradox. What ufology needs is ONE good case instead of thousands of iffy cases. But it's not going to be the RFI ..

@Daniel: I agree, CEPR is probably the result of 'random bit noise'. If you look at the things that come out when reading the code backwards (see my earlier posts), you also see some sequences that seem to spell parts of words (even 'FACT'). I noticed some speculation about relationships between CEPR and genes or DNA on other forums. Well, there are so many abbreviations, numbers, and names in this field that almost any sequence of characters will give a 'gene-related hit' somewhere. I once googled the number sequence 338100 and found out it was a code for some gene. Unfortunately almost every other 6-digit number was used to code some gene, too - it seems that there are as many genetic codes as there are phone numbers ...

[puddlepirate]

I suspect the 'code' has achieved what it was intended to achieve - diversion, disarray, disinformation and to undermine credible research by reducing the RFI to farce. However, the weakness lies in the misguided assumption that every RFI researcher accepts the witness statements as an absolute truth and uses them as a starting point, when in reality a better starting point might lie within the records of the Suffolk Constabulary and drug related offences involving US service personnel.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Puddle
I suspect the 'code' has achieved what it was intended to achieve - diversion, disarray, disinformation and to undermine credible research by reducing the RFI to farce.

Rgr that. The lack of discussion regarding the new route and locations backs that up. I was led to believe the great 2010 RF Expedition was going to rule out the Farmhouse and Lighthouse etc, once and for all.
Maybe just an indication of total loss of credibility huh...which kind of explains why the Principal of Chicken-$hit High hasn't handed out the Diplomas he promised B.B.C.

[arvd]

There is a freight train coming. lol

[Daniel]

Anyone catch/record/have links to download the two recent podcasts with John and Jim?

It's on the Betwaters1980 site now, in flash form.

Or you can do a direct download from: http://k002.kiwi6.com/uploads/hotlink?id=59mpsnh44i

[puddlepirate]

IF: I was led to believe the great 2010 RF Expedition was going to rule out the Farmhouse and Lighthouse etc, once and for all.

Concur. That's the only reason I drove the 200 mile return trip. Had I known the outcome would be to totally ignore civvies from the local area who had something to say and instead simply to promise a new revelation on the History Channel (an announcement they could have posted on the web) I wouldn't have bothered. Far from being 'Britain's Roswell' the whole unfortunate affair as described by the 'witnesses' must now surely be consigned to back catalogues of non-events. In a way this is a good thing. It means that anyone seriously interested in researching what the USAF were really doing in Rendlesham Forest in Dec 80 can now free themselves of the burden of researching 'The Rendlesham Forest Incident' and instead look at 'Illegal Acts of the United States Air Force and Air Force personnel conducted from USAF airbases in the UK or while on UK Sovereign Terrority' - a whole new world of opportunity.

[Observer]

Puddle

I totally agree with you. I know several 'locals' who have very good points of view and info on the RFI but no body wants to listen to them. If you can remove all the hype, spin, fairy tales and down right bullshit, you will see an event that was man made but very unexpected. It has been a very entertaining few years seeing how this incident had been handled by different people. The RFI as I thought it would has become the British Roswell, not for its UFO/Alien connotation, but all the band wagon jumping and add ons that go with the territory. You can't keep a good story down, but make sure you add your bit to it before you pass it on.
My research has been focussed now for 3 years at least on a very feasable human cock up.

Obs

[Frank]

Admin wrote:
Anyone catch/record/have links to download the two recent podcasts with John and Jim?

It's on the Betwaters1980 site now, in flash form.

Or you can do a direct download from: http://k002.kiwi6.com/uploads/hotlink?id=59mpsnh44i

Just listened to it. It's a horrible and disgraceful web of contradicting statements. It's only Jim, John could not attend because of bronchitis.

[Matt Lyons]

Let's hear from the locals now, I am sure there are so many who have not spoken becuase the RFI has gone on a new media plane that is so far from the reality of the experiences of the area.
I respect there were time issues for the conference but I was fascinated by what some people were saying on the floor and yet could not hear them properly. I wonder if it is possible to have something move forward which is low key where if a new witness comes forward, they can feel they will not get pounced on?

There are too many groups and individuals that are driven by belief systems that range from very sceptical or completely driven by alien driven answers being fitted to everything that turns up as new evidence.

Now the risk is run that now the ufo press, limelight pundits and media 'we want aliens' snowball effect of the RFI ,means that anyone now wanting to come forward may think twice.

Too often I've seen UFO groups that are so blatently extra terrestrial belief driven get hold of witnesses and instead of going for the facts, they suggest and implant their own dogma onto someone who may just have a story to tell and want rational dialogue. In balance, there are those that are so hard driven to disprove everything, these are liable to ridicule the same witness and then the researchers ego swings in the other direction.

In the human face of ufology, it is so often the case that an answer being is pushed through for answers sake, where the 'expert' must be seen to be giving a conclusion which leaves the facts so far behind. It is better to sometimes leave strangeness with a question mark, where it cannot currently be solved, rather than either ridicule witnesses or add pundits into the media in such a way, that slick presentation virually gives the impression that only they have the answer to the enigma.

The history channel was not the best platform for the binary code, because it really needed to have a whole episode for both accounts and a lot more input from more than one very limited interpretation. If there were other people consulted for a wider range of ananlysis over it's realase, we certainly did not see this in the televised stage and it was the wrong show series to include this on.

[Biffer]

r

Let's hear from the locals now, I am sure there are so many who have not spoken becuase the RFI has gone on a new media plane that is so far from the reality of the experiences of the area.
I respect there were time issues for the conference but I was fascinated by what some people were saying on the floor and yet could not hear them properly. I wonder if it is possible to have something move forward which is low key where if a new witness comes forward, they can feel they will not get pounced on?

There are too many groups and individuals that are driven by belief systems that range from very sceptical or completely driven by alien driven answers being fitted to everything that turns up as new evidence.

Now the risk is run that now the ufo press, limelight pundits and media 'we want aliens' snowball effect of the RFI ,means that anyone now wanting to come forward may think twice.

Too often I've seen UFO groups that are so blatently extra terrestrial belief driven get hold of witnesses and instead of going for the facts, they suggest and implant their own dogma onto someone who may just have a story to tell and want rational dialogue. In balance, there are those that are so hard driven to disprove everything, these are liable to ridicule the same witness and then the researchers ego swings in the other direction.

In the human face of ufology, it is so often the case that an answer being is pushed through for answers sake, where the 'expert' must be seen to be giving a conclusion which leaves the facts so far behind. It is better to sometimes leave strangeness with a question mark, where it cannot currently be solved, rather than either ridicule witnesses or add pundits into the media in such a way, that slick presentation virually gives the impression that only they have the answer to the enigma.

The history channel was not the best platform for the binary code, because it really needed to have a whole episode for both accounts and a lot more input from more than one very limited interpretation. If there were other people consulted for a wider range of ananlysis over it's realase, we certainly did not see this in the televised stage and it was the wrong show series to include this on.

Well said, Matt. I completely agree. Your points are the reason I've steered well clear of UFO 'clubs' and done most of my research alone. We are all (presumably) seeking the truth behind this phenomena and the RFI in particular, but the 'I'm-right-and-you're-wrong' school of ufology are making it increasingly difficult for others to give their testimony. Both skeptics and believers in extraterrestrial 'aliens' are equally guilty at times. Reasoned debate is healthy, but what I find on many UFO forums amounts to little more than a witch-hunt by whichever ego is the larger.

To paraphrase; "Free your mind ... and your ass might follow."

Biffer

[Daniel]

I feel the first 'continuous' in the message is probably meant to be 'contiguous' which could refer to coming into contact or close proximity or even being adjacent in time. I guess this could be something to do with the 'coordinate values'. Sadly all this can easily be subjective.

Listened to the radio interview with Jim and his statements are strange. I do wonder if his thinking has been manipulated by the UFO Community around him and maybe his research in to topics that could be considered as myths and legends. Still there is that 1% chance that all this is authentic, but it's not much unless something solid can back it up.

[Deep Purple]

It would be really nice is OBs told us what he knows and what were the rumours. He seems to know a lot .
Maybe he could tell us what the locals were saying.
What about his ARRS buddies, what were they saying , and when and how. What was their mood? What was the context in which it was said.
Do tell us