Summary Of Rendlesham Forest [Visitor Submitted Article]

[Andy]

Enjoyed your post Observer. Also see 'Hunt for the Skywalker' by Colm A. Kelleher, Ph.D., and Geoge Knapp. ISBN-13: 978-1-4165-0521-1 Perhaps Jenny Randles was not too far off the truth with her theory? Worlds apart ie USA and UK but the similarities are strange.

[Kalinoux]

Hi Andy

Are you also interested in Utah ranch events ? To be honnest, I find this story one of the most strange I never heard about.
If you agree, we could open a topic about it and make comparisons and parallels with other events.

What do you think

Kalinoux

[Andy]

Hi Kalinoux, Good to hear from you. Yes the events at that Ranch totally fascinate me. And as i said, worlds apart, but the similarities are so similar to make it very uncanny.

[Kalinoux]

Ok Andy,

So my proposal is to open a topic on the Utah Ranch events. I have some documents (but in french at the moment), I'll take a few time to make translation ... but if you want to launch the discussion ... and exchange don't hesitate.

The first references (and the most well known I think) I have are the articles from George Knapp. I'm sure you must know them...

.... to be discussed

Kalinoux

[Andy]

Hi Kalinoux, really pleased to see your response. You French? Unfortunately my second language is Italian (although I'm British), but my partner speaks french (of French/Polish extraction) The Utah Ranch like i said fascinates me. And there are so many similarities with the Rendlesham incident. Unfortunately i'm not very computer litereate so please, you go ahead and create the thread. I'm an acquaintance of Brenda Butler and she has given me many accounts, which, it would seem, coincide with the Utah ranch.

[Kalinoux]

Ok Andy, I'll do so

Give me one or two days (I have big professionnal contraints tomorrow) and I'll open a new thread to discuss about Utah Ranch.

I'm very pleased to discuss about one on my favourite topic

Yes I'm french, living in Nantes, in the west of France (at about 80km far from the ocean )...

Nice to talk with you

Kalinoux

[Andy]

Kalinoux, if ever you visit the UK, be sure to look us up. We live not far from Rendlesham forest. We have a spare room which you are welcome to stay in, and we will take you to Rendlesham. Will be a pleasure to meet you. You never know, you might even meet Brenda Butler

[Kalinoux]

Thanks a lot Andy ...

We'll meet very soon on a topic dedicated to the Utah Ranch

What happened there

Kindly

Kalinoux

[Andy]

Very strange stuff happened there Kalinoux. Let's start with the 'Sasquatch', (Big Foot) shall we? In Rendlesham (on the UFO trail, at route 2 as you enter the forest), turn immediately left. A few yards into the trees a group of schoolboys playing in the forest apparently saw a hairy figure (about eight feet tall). Looked, like a man, but very hairy. They fled in fear! In the local newspaper, around the time of the Rendlesham incident, apparently there were reports of a 'Brown bear' in the forest? It was never proven, but was this mistaken for a sasquatch? Apparently, according to Brenda Butler, in the days after, that particular area of the forest Stank! A really nasty smell!? Follow that path and turn right. A few hundred feet along, it was apparently seen again, picking leaves off a tree and eating them. Go a few yards more along the path, and apparently one of Britain's 'Big Cats' was seen. (http://www.scottishbigcats.co.uk) A panther sitting in a clearing in the forest. My Friend Sue lives not far from Rendlesham, and her husband saw a panther run across the road in front of his car! He is a very level headed man, and i have no reason to disbelieve him.

[Andy]

Enjoyed your initial post Admin, and couldn't agree with you more. You mention Vince Thurkettle... he fascinates me..... would love to meet him. Ok.... he was shown the alleged site a few weeks AFTER the incident (but was disappointed, according to Bruni? Why? If that's the case, perhaps try looking elsewhere, maybe? (and did he sign an official secrets act? i don't know, just a guess... ....many years later, he showed Bruni the site, for her best selling book.) However her book mentions a 'false' site? With arrows pointing to it, and a circle of sticks around it.....yes to most peoples' imagination UFO's are round, but according to Penniston it was triangular? Like i said, i don't know, and just hazarding a guess here.
What intrigues me though is Lidpath's video of the young Vince with the 'lighthouse' flashing a few inches (on film) from his shoulder? Interesting. Stand at the site he showed Bruni, video it, and see if you get the same effects? I might be wrong?

[Observer]

Hi

I thought i would mention this as the Vince Thirkettle/light house theory keeps rearing its ugly head from time to time.

In a more recent documentary where Charles Halt, Jim Penniston, a British radiological scientist and Nick Pope entered the forest and went to the landing sites/s of the UFO. It was at one of these landing sites that Vince Thirkettle withdrew his statement that it was the light house that they all had seen.
Perhaps this can finally put the light house theory to bed.

Observer

[IanR]

In a more recent documentary where Charles Halt, Jim Penniston, a British radiological scientist and Nick Pope entered the forest and went to the landing sites/s of the UFO. It was at one of these landing sites that Vince Thirkettle withdrew his statement that it was the light house that they all had seen.

Perhaps I can clarify the background to this sequence in the TV programme you mention. It was shot at what Jim Penniston claims to have been the “real” landing site, which is on the opposite side of the forest from the site that was investigated by Halt and his men on the night the famous tape-recording was made. Halt’s site is on the eastern side of the forest
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham2.htm
from where the lighthouse can be seen across a field and past a farmhouse. Penniston’s site, by contrast, is on the western side of the forest, not far from East Gate, from where the lighthouse cannot be seen. Until that programme was made, I don’t think that Halt realized Penniston was claiming the landing was at a completely different location from the one he investigated. (Penniston, of course, wasn’t part of Halt’s investigation team.)

On that same programme, Penniston also showed handwritten notes that he claimed to have taken at the time of his encounter with the landed object. If you look at the tape of the programme, you will see that the date and time Penniston gives in his notebook are different from those given by the other witnesses, including John Burroughs. I asked Burroughs about Penniston’s claims last year and he told me by email: "Penniston was not keeping a notebook as it went down".

So who do we believe? Georgina Bruni believes Penniston is telling the truth and that Halt has all along been lying and covering up. That, I’m sure you will agree, is a very serious charge to raise against a high-ranking officer of the US Air Force.

Ian

PS: As a matter of interest, Penniston was the only one of the original witnesses who did not give a date or time for the event in his written statement to Halt. You can read the witness statements here:
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham2b.htm

[Observer]

This gets complicated as to who said what, when they said it if at all and who do you believe on the landing sites issue?

From these statements that are in many ways conflicting, it makes you think its one giant cover up by all concerned for some 'cockup' or caper that didn't go to plan or it went very wrong.

I still believe and so does the curator of the Bentwaters Cold War museum that the answers ly with the ARRS.

Observer

[IanR]

I am aware that Georgina Bruni believes Penniston, but I do not recall her ever saying or writing that Halt has been 'lying'. As far as I can remember, she only ever said that he was holding back certain information, as Halt himself admits.

Back in 1998 I and several others had a long exchange with Georgina on the Compuserve UFO Forum (yes, there was such a thing) while she was researching her book. I kept a note of some of the claims she made there, and (just for the devil of it) I present you with some highlights:


Georgina on Halt:

“Over the years Charles has been a naughty boy - he has made numerous statements regarding the case and the witnesses - these have not always been correct.“
“I have every reason to believe that he (Halt) is suppressing vital information.”
“I don't think he'll tell the whole story of his role in all of this.”
“What he doesn't tell - we will.”


Georgina on the Halt memo (and an imaginary second memo):

“I have it on very good authority that there were two memos sent to the MOD.”
“there was another memo sent to the MOD. No one has seen that, and as far as I'm aware it has not been released through the FOI.”
“It interesting that Halt has so far not mentioned that other Memo.”
“I have reason to believe it exists and the details of that I will publish at a later date.”


Georgina on Halt’s tape recording:

“The tape recording is only an edited version.”
“Please re-examine that recording. It's not what it appears to be.”


Georgina on the witness statements:
“The witness statements which have been quoted so often are merely watered down versions and although genuine, they are not official Air Force documents. Ufologists may wonder why Halt requested these.”
“I believe the guys are going to get together to explain those statements themselves - and when they do it will surely knock down the sceptic's theories once and for all. “


I will leave you to decide whether she ever substantiated any of these claims.

Ian

[IanR]

"Penniston was not keeping a notebook as it went down"

The same quote implies that something landed.

You misunderstand the use of the slang "it went down". He means it as in "the deal went down".

Ian

[IanR]

I am aware that Georgina Bruni believes Penniston

I expect you will have seen in the recent Sci Fi and History Channel documentaries that Penniston now claims he was given sodium pentathol by DS8, the forerunner of Nick Pope's department. Even Nick realizes this is nonsense. I don't know how Nick squares that with Georgina's belief in Penniston.

Ian

[pupil88]

IanR writes
"Until that programme was made, I don’t think that Halt realized Penniston was claiming the landing was at a completely different location from the one he investigated. (Penniston, of course, wasn’t part of Halt’s investigation team.)

The first UFO incident occured on 12/26.
Halt learned about it when the security controller wanted to delete it from the blotter.
Halt visited the site of the incident later that morning.
He noted plaster marks in the holes.
At a later date, Penniston confessed to him that he made plaster forms of the holes.
On the SciFi Channel, Halt and Penniston appeared.
Penniston described what happened in the AM on that site.
Halt said his site was elsewhere.
There was confusion in the reporting.
They assumed it was the same site.
SciFi channel may have dramatised the difference.
Halt knew all along there were two separate sites.

[Observer]

One thing is for sure, the US Government have invested quite a bit of money in this long running mystery. I will leave it up to you to guess where it was spent or is being spent.

Observer

[Observer]

sil

Not necessarily, but money can by silence or buy some one to tell a misleading story. Its the old version of 'spin' which we are all aware of.

Observer

[Observer]

Silvertop

You are an old sceptic, joking asside, when Penniston introduced his later sketches, we all wondered how he could draw a top side view considering that he also said it was 2/3 metres high, Did he stand on a ladder or climb a tree or did he just guess what the top view looked like?

Just a thought, back in the 80's most americans i knew including some of my family relatives in New England always spoke and measured in feet and inches!!
My advice, stick with his originals.

Observer