Charles Halt, Press release.

[Andrew Pike]

Ian
Based on what? You can't except it was anything other than stars and planets! I'm also not trying to be rude You were not there you didnot go through or experiance what we saw! You pick out little bits of what was said and try to make them fit what you beleived happen to us Yet over look everthing else everbody has stated happened to them to include saying only one person said that or its just not possible. I guess you want be to go down on my knees and thank you for solving what happened to us. We were all out chasing stars and planets that were moving but were not it just looked like they were moving. That there were no beams of light comming down from the blue lights in the sky that what Jim and I came up on was just the light house beams and we were fooled by the what ever it was as it went up into the sky and streaked off. You have all but called all of us lyiers because only one of us stated it or that we were all running around the woods like village idiots chasing stars and plantes but you have no proof what so ever that what happened to us. I guess Halts tape was also made while we were all sitting around pounding down a few beers! And when he said this is unreal it was the flavor of the beer he was drinking. You were asked a question about your meeting with Halt and what he had to say about your statements with no responce. Sorry Ian but the fact you will not even look at any other possibity shows just how narrow minded you are and I have always wondered how without you ever being out there on the nights it happened you have become in your mind such a expert on what happened to us?

John,

A member of this site sent me a PM regarding your experiences and asked me to reply. I sent you two lengthy PMs let me know if you got them OK, if not I'll send again. Let me also know if I can help in any way. Hope the PMs go some way to address all this debunking nonsense, feel free to message me. There is more as I say but as the first two were so detailed and lengthy I'll follow them up with anything more later.

Kind Regards

Andrew

[pupil88]

PP

Your debunking tactics are getting boring. Most of your previous postings ignored the US airmen in the forest in order to postulate an imaginary “catastrophic” scenario that would cause grievous harm to their mission.. Now your mind is populating the forest with as much light and men it could hold.. Unfortunately, you’ve already said the RFI was no more than a major drug operation .Now, who the hell is giving you any credence for whatever you have to say. You’ve always ignored what the participants had to say .Your continued compulsive. disregard of their testimony is evidence of a disturbed mindset.

[John Burroughs]

Ian
Thanks for your responce and there is no reason for you to shut up. I finally have a better idea on where your comming from. I and others started having health problems right after the incident. Col Halt has offered to write a letter to the VA on the radition and I have been told there are other documents that were released by the British MOD on the radition. That was the only time I have ever been around anything that could have exposed me to radition like that. I would like to hear from somebody who is a expert and can back it up on what would have caused the kind of health problems we had right afterwards and if radition would or could be the cause. I have also been told they can test us to see if we were exposed or not. And if somthing we came up on could be letting off radition in a small area and effect us but not cause a large scale problem. The Major your talking about is a idiot he has a normal clearance and has no I repeat no background in security and what are procedures were. I went one on one with him on a radio show in AZ and destroyed what little he had to offer. Again he came off as a expert on somthing with nothing to back it up. Its funny as soon as the Ailien card is played people don't want to listen anymore! They take a simple explanation and beleive it with out putting any more thought into what it could be other than it sounds good over being Ailiens. I beleive the AF used the Ailien card so that would happen. It also may not have been the USAF running the operation but somebody else and again the Ailien card was played. On top of that there was not anybody running around the forrest while that team was out there! And what did they bring out of the forrest. Halt was the one who said he was told a satallite was brought out of the woods. Plus how do you know the Major and the other organiztion was even in the right area? All of the documents disapeared on the incident why? CNN asked for them and they were told they disapeared. All ideas should be looked at! I don't feel your attacking me the problem I have is when somebody who was not there come's off like they have solved the case and will not look at any other possiblities other than to say its not possible.

[puddlepirate]

P88...Unfortunately, you’ve already said the RFI was no more than a major drug operation I have never, ever suggested the RFI was a drugs bust and I have reported your stupid comment to admin. Rather than refuting everything anyone else says, how about doing your own research and putting forward a theory of your own - or is beyond your capability? Or perhaps you can't be bothered because it's easier to criticise everyone else who is prepared to stick their neck out?

[pupil88]

PP

Oops. I should have attributed the drug operation scenario to Deep Purple.
What your doing is not research. It's based on an ideology, a belief system, that aims to distort and confuse the historical foundation of the Incidents. Your tossing up the plots of third rate tech genre novels

Cabansag, a witness, said that when he and Burroughs saw the lights, they blacked out.
They said the whole incident lasted minutes. Penniston, a witness, said the whole incident lasted app. 45 minutes. When they returned to the gate,a witness at the gate ( who saw the craft take off)said they were missing for three hours. How does time vanish? Twelve hours after I encounter something, I had no memory of it. I suffered amnesia for over forty years. When i willed myself to confront that experience, I broke through and in six months I remembered most of it. I saw ETs live, a robot, and aerial technology in action. Ten years later, I recalled it all. I never underwent hypnosis. All this time, I was studying perceptions, memory, affections, psychoanalysis,and so on. What I saw was real. But how? I've been exploring that since 1995.

Research is not grabbing resemblances and transposing them. I requires a creative ability to pursue paths that have never been followed. Occasionally, I blaze my own way.That's what I've been doing with most of my time.

The Rendlesham Forest Incident has ET written all over it.

[Sacha Christie]

I agree silvertop.. there's no need for this thread to dissolve into a bitch slapping event. No one actually knows what really happened and so all we can do is look at the evidence and speculate.

I've read everything thats been said with great interest. The only thing that still confuses me is that if this were a craft that had come down into the forest... or even part of one.. where's the rest of it? Also how did it take back off again? As we are all well aware every craft we have has some sort of noisy exhaust system so why wasn't it heard? Any F16s or other military craft I have ever seen either at shows or simply while walking in the Lakes has been deafening. Also it only explains events on one night... the same icident isn't going to happen two or three nights running... what was going on the rest of the time? The event doen't necessarily have ET wrtitten all over it but it is a possibility that shouldn't be dismissed. The most plausible alternative (to ET) explanation I have read is the posibility of a nuclear weapon being inadvertantly dropped which would explain the extensive cover up. However, it does not explain the reports of other lights seen coming into the forest and leaving again... lights moving through the trees, one looking like a winking eye etc etc etc.

Also if it were something falling off anything then why would there be any need for people to be in the observation tower watching an object for hours... or several objects which looked like triangles/pyramids with lights shooting off one of them? I just can't get my head around what it all was if it wasn't soomething other wordly... how could so many people be so mistaken?

[John Burroughs]

Take a hard look at RFR and EM weapons. In 1980 the US and Russian were working on RFR to knock out computers Sat and Communication gear. They were also using hypnois with RFR and EM to cause Amnesia and memory Falsification. In 1985 Cnn Chuck DeCaro did a special assingnment report where they were able to use visual images causing hallucintions and more on him. One other thing they were working on was making nuclear bombs useless with RFR by keeping the bombs for realeasing the nuclear part radition when they exploded.

[John Burroughs]

Also what is one thing that in most cases is always spoted in most UFO siteings to include Bentwaters by Penniston a trangler craft. Over the years this type object has been spoted along with UFO around several USAF Bases to include Eglin Kirland and Nellis. These bases all have a Instrumentation Technology Branch and a Special Technology Branch plus they are conected by Redcap to other bases and sites and guess what several of those sites have had incidents also.

[Sacha Christie]

Ok I'll have a look into that, thanks John. I've heard about some experiments causing hallucinations before and more recently suggestions that hollograms can be used to make something look like something else but not having found anything of any real substance on those topics I've shelved them. I'm beginning to think it's just made up so that conspiracy theorists can make certain facts fit.

The only other issue I have with what you have said about these craft being seen over bases is that they have been seen elsewhere too. Like I mentioned in an earlier post a woman, her mother and son suffered serious radiation poisoning from one of these objects in the US the day after the twin base event. I've found the dvd it's on and so I'll go through it so that I have a bit more information about that particular incident to back up what I'm saying... seeing as I have forgotten the location and their names.

I'm trying to form an alternative picture in my mind as to what was occurring that night based on all the suggestions that have been put forward here but i'm struggling with it. It seems like too many things were going on all at the same time for it to make any sense to me.

Why would they conduct experiements with RFR and EM when they have the largest housing of nuclear weapons at the height of the cold war? Seems a tad counter productive and outrageously dangerous leaving us in a very vulnerable position.

[Sacha Christie]

Yes thats the case. How can it be explained that 9 hours after the Rendlesham incident these women and a child see this and then 20 + CH47 chinook's after it.... the radiation exposure was severe.

I'd rather think that ET were running riot all over our planet than the who are people set to protect us lying and using equipment they can't even see out of. WTF? The amount of radiation that came from that craft almost killed that poor woman. I think that the Military are scandalous. Way above the law. The more I learn about the military machine the more angry I get. They could just wipe us all out in the blink of an eye... but oops sorry It was an accident.

[John Burroughs]

Sacha
Take a hard look at the EMP an RFR weapons they had in 1980 and then look how far they have come today. Boeing now has a UAV that uses EMP. John

[Sacha Christie]

I have started to have a good look into the weapons you've all mentioned now.. thanks very much for all your input.

something occurred to me just a moment ago regarding the Piney woods event and the RFI.... It can't have been the same craft involved can it? Otherwise Jim penniston would have been fried to a crisp and glowing in the dark then very very dead.... also the forest would probably have caught fire.....

The differences are massive... the size of the craft, the fact it made a noise, the heat given off it and the radiation.... The one in Rendlesham was much smaller and seemed to move about easily, was silent, had what looked like molten metal dripping from it and it was cool to the touch, no visible exhaust and left no discernable radiation readings..... so if the one in Texas was a WASP then the one in Rendlesham wasn't......

I'm still rummaging through some very compelling and interesting information on the other side of the ET fence though..... Just when something comes up that doesn't fit then I'm, going to say something... I'm a woman.. I can nit pick like you wouldn't believe lol!

[Sacha Christie]

Just been ferreting about trying to find a craft that looked like the one JP saw in Rendlesham and the one from the Piney woods case and I can find nothing... in fact the only WASP 2 that I can find looks more like the Aurora. Any suggestions please?