Left at East Gate, questions to Larry Warren

[larry warren]

Steve, the underground stuff is mine control , the book was written in the spirit of the moment, ie as i percevied things at that time and year, our conclusion, is that that stuff was mind control to mess with what did happen in the forrest ! im really starting to think that i should have had peter or some other pro writer write my stuff ! because some people just dont get it !
No Halt is just plain nasty, his and his cronies views are not mine! never will be ! the comand LET certain people have free reign of the base to do what thay did to some of us ! no choice? perhaps, but i wont stand for theses same people insulting me or any other guys that are quit on this matter. I , inderectly, outted the man, via the memo, and as Jim Penniston says, the KEY wittinesses dident want this out ! so perhaps you see why some of this covert and indirrect grief comes my way. i do.
as for the picture, its just a picture, as for Peter and my sighting in Feb 88, again, its as described. people dont like it , tough
we dident either. one more for the road, linda howe has only been dealing with this for the last few years, and yes shes done alot of good work, but our sources are ours, so bro we be good on that front cause we did our work years ago! 9 and a half years, and about 90,000 grand of work chief ! be good

[stephan]

Steve, the underground stuff is mine control , the book was written in the spirit of the moment, ie as i percevied things at that time and year, our conclusion, is that that stuff was mind control to mess with what did happen in the forrest ! im really starting to think that i should have had peter or some other pro writer write my stuff ! because some people just dont get it !

Larry, if you remember, I suggested something similar like you suggest to explain the underground thing (see post ref. in Q5). Those certain people you mention who do you think are they ? OSI, NSA, CIA ? Perhaps you even know some names and maybe you've mentioned it already, sry, if so! Before I watched that RF (psychotronic weapons) stuff I couldn't have imagined this could have been possible. But now I'm not sure anymore.

as Jim Penniston says, the KEY wittinesses dident want this out ! so perhaps you see why some of this covert and indirrect grief comes my way. i do.

Yes, only recently John said (over in the F117-A thread):

As far as Larry goes he brought a lot of *** down on me by saying I jumped up on a ship and went for a ride he now says he was told that I would like to know by who! By doing what he did he did force us to come out and talk about it! We have all taken a lot of crap because of what has come out have we not!

but admits that:

As far as Larry goes it is what it is he did what he felt he had to do! And yes the media played there part in this also! I'm also aware of the fact there has been other incident involving Nuclear weapons and I'm curious on what Halt will have to say at the conference. I agree now that its out the more we talk about it and thats also why I would like to get everybody together the more we can learn!

I think that - should you ALL be able to find out what really happened - you will probably all get friends again Maybe Halt already knows what happened

Personally I have my own ideas about what occured there and they do involve Greys. My assumption is mostly based on the description of translucent beings you saw, the experiences you had when you were young (you describe them in the book) and on the possibility that what Halt says has indeed great relevance: ''they'' shot beams of light into the WSA. I've long made the connection between Rendlesham and Roswell which allegedly also involved those little green men and which also had something to do with nuclear weapons (the actual ''crash site'' is only a few miles away from the first test of the atomic bomb). If you are interested in my ideas and views you can check out my YT channel, made a few videos about these issues.

From what I understand none of you really considers what happened to you as beneficial to yourself. But if you think about the possibility that nukes are not looked upon with joy up in space one could imagine that becoming friends or establishing contact for peaceful coexistence was not really the prime purpose of the incidents. I think that they wanted to let YOU guys know who is responsible (for whatever they did with them nukes) so you won't blame anyone else (like e.g. the Russians or parts of the staff of the base) but at the same time they did not want to establish first contact - otherwise I'm sure your sightings would have taken a different turn, i.e. they would have been in an ''official'' way.

[larry warren]

thats a good post steve, and gives me somthing to work with! johns comments are interesting, the part about him grabing , not "jumping on a craft" was being mentioned right after the events, i never have claimed to see this happen ever! but as its said hever said he went for a ride on it either ran into an object, light, weird thing, the above is not that far removed, no ive never said he road on it either, so someone is misinforming john about that, i would be mad too if someone did that to me, but again i never said that, i heard right from the start, he ran to an object arms outstreached and appeared to try to grab it,
that can very well fit with what did happen to him, then ofcourse theres more than that that happened to him, and i know that bustinza never said it as we spoke in march 81, it may have been said in ziglers office, and that was in december 80, i really hope this clears that matter up for john.

[stephan]

thats a good post steve, and gives me somthing to work with! johns comments are interesting, the part about him grabing , not "jumping on a craft" was being mentioned right after the events, i never have claimed to see this happen ever! but as its said hever said he went for a ride on it either ran into an object, light, weird thing, the above is not that far removed, no ive never said he road on it either, so someone is misinforming john about that, i would be mad too if someone did that to me, but again i never said that, i heard right from the start, he ran to an object arms outstreached and appeared to try to grab it,
that can very well fit with what did happen to him, then ofcourse theres more than that that happened to him, and i know that bustinza never said it as we spoke in march 81, it may have been said in ziglers office, and that was in december 80, i really hope this clears that matter up for john.

thank you Larry!

if you want I can advise John of your post, I don't know if he is reading along here at the moment. Just let me know or send me PM.
Looking forward to more answers from you and I hope we'll manage to locate the position of the landing site on the Google Earth picture.

[larry warren]

fine steve, but it looks like a moron typed my last post ! but the jist is that i never saw JB jump on a space ship and go fo a ride ! nor have i ever said that, ist what i and some others were told soon after , he did have close contact and it was described to me in my last post, im sure he checks these though. all the best

[larry warren]

Ok i missed a part, you ask about intel involved in the aftermath, they are as follows.
Office of Navy inteligance, based in london. AFSC, armed forces security services, field arm of the NSA. CIA had and have massive interest and were likly on base ,british intel, not the MI 5 or 6 people! AFOSI played a very small role, and im not all that sure how much they know or knew, they were indeed used to hassel people involved in this, im one of them.
the above i KNOW to be true.

[John Burroughs]

Larry the reason I know you said I jumped up on a craft and took a ride on it is because I watched a video you made in the Forest with Peter Robbins where you said that! I would like to know who told you I jumped up on it and went for a ride those were your words not mine! Where did they say this happened and when did it happen!

[stephan]

oops, that's some undeniable evidence Larry (lol), hey, memory sometimes plays tricks on us, doesn't it

anyway, I have to say something here (before I watch the other part of the video). THIS video John and Larry, that's some heavy shit. If Larry is not one of the best actors in the world ... he explains what he saw in a very, I say V E R Y credible way. I never saw a video on YT which looked and sounded more authentic. As for the controversial part that sounds and looks (you can see Larry trying to remember what maybe he was only told by someone) very pensive and maybe even a bit unsure though:

John Burroughs had, in front of him and Sgt. Bustinza who did not return with me, a triangular object much smaller than what I've just described here appear in that parking area. Right in the midst of the men returning. John Burroughs is in civilian clothes or whatever, he had gone through the first night of events. And I shouldn't be telling his story but this is ??? as he told it to me and it hasn't been reproduced acurately at so far. Errr, he literally, if you've heard of someone literally grabbing an object. John Burroughs .. did ... so. It was, he grabbed it, it was this small so he could literally reach around it and it moved ten meters with him holding on to it. And he suffered severe health effects no matter what he says, errr, for doing that.

with the three question marks I need your help as I have no idea what you say here - but it could be the crucial word(s)!

the interesting thing about NSA and CIA Larry is that both agencies were founded shortly after the Roswell incident. CIA in Sept. 1947 and the NSA in 1952 (both during the time Truman was in office). So the CIA still has massive interest. I always thought that, too. I'm convinced the whole alien/ abduction phenomena is investigated by them.

[Admin]

Hi Stephan,

The word you're looking for is 'verbatim', meaning 'word for word'.

[stephan]

thank you Admin! let's see what Larry has to say about it. I'm currently trying to imagine John riding on that UFO. If that really happened that must have been an awesome sight LOL, oops, sorry John

[puddlepirate]

Curiouser and curiouser....the only certainty (other than the undisupted fact that several USAF personnel ventured into the forest) is that the RFI can be whatever anyone wants it to be. There is no evidence to support any particular theory and even those who were there cannot agree on what they saw so depending on your point of view or particular beliefs, the RFI can be greys, other aliens, alien craft, F-117A, downed Soviet satellite, BT expermenting with microwave technology, advanced radars, EM weapons, misuse of drugs, 67th ARRS playing tricks, lost nuke... absolutely anything at all. Even if the RFI were to be debated for another thirty years or beyond, the answer would be no closer than it is right now. If that sounds negative, then consider Roswell. It will simply go round in circles for ever....

[John Burroughs]

You could be right but were all still alive and some people are not filling in all the missing pieces to this incident! I have been able to put a lot more of this together since I have been able to talk with a lot of the people involved! And your right Stephan it would have been a interesting site if I did in fact take a ride on it! The interesting thing is England told Nevils I was taken up in it the first night then Larry says I went for a ride the second! Yes he said I grabbed it but I did go for a ride according to him! So now I have been told I have had two close encounters with what ever it was out there! I still don't know who the main source is who told these people those stories! I do know I got close to something both nights and I remember more of what happened the second night than I do the first! And I'm basing what I remember before I went under Hypnosis not after! Also I find something else very interesting for what ever reason the Air Force thought it was me talking about what happened when the story first came out not Larry Warren! Larry just talked about that and I was shown documents by Chuck DE Caro stating the same thing why is that! Again Larry I would like to know who told you this! After I get your answer I will have more to add!

[stephan]

@ puddlepirate,

therefore it might be very useful to find common grounds with other events and experiences. As I pointed out Roswell is one such incident. Yep, it's turning in circles but that doesn't necessarily mean that there's nothing to it.

I just found another common ground in the first part of the video John posted. Larry mentions the strange shadows:

there was a light that would come down on the shadows of our heads, now to cause a shadow effect on this object is strange because we couldn't get the lighting equipment into this forest. None of them would work, so as if it was pulling our shadows.

when I had my childhood experience (which could be called an 'abduction' experience as it met many characteristics of such although I prefer to use the word encounter) I saw a very strange shadow on the brown curtain that was hanging in front of my bedroom window. Not did it only look strange because of the shape (a small figure with a huge head) but also because there was no light source outside in the yard that could have cast it. I remember thinking that it could have been my own shadow - distorted, because of the huge head - but there was also no light source behind me. There was only some light (from a light bulb) coming from the corrider to the right through the open door of my room (I used to keep my door open with light coming inside my room because I was afraid of the pitch-black dark that would have been there otherwise). That's why the curtain was a little illuminated diffusely so that the shadow could be silhouetted against it but as I said, there simply was no light source that could have physically cast it. You could almost say there was a ''hole'' shaped like a figure where there should have been an evenly and faintly illuminated surface.

@ John,

re your remark about the mistake in name. Yep, I've mentioned that also in the initial post of this thread:

p. 161

J. Burroughs is mistaken by Captain Warzinski for L. Warren

and Larry replied:

Yea, the Base thought i was John back in 83! Warzinski went on to be the pentagon spoksman for the 9 11 attacks.

perhaps the AF (or let's rather say the NSA) wanted to draw off the attention from Larry. I remember he had quite some difficulties in regard to his identity which culminated in Larry's recruiter Jack Gorman asking him if he had been born (p. 78, LAEG).

[larry warren]

Ok, im back home, John, i see on that tape what you bring up, further i see i say you told me that, now with the passage of time im wondering if ive mixed what you said on the hill behind That guy brubakers house in L A back in 1988 and then he later said that you "Grabed it" after you left? could have done and i got it confused if so i say here and now im sorry for that.
but i will say again, that people were saying you ran at an object, craft, light, within hours of the events only you and those that saw it have any idea!as for ten meters, again that was said by more than one person, and in the light of what DID happen over those three days, nothing would supprise me, to me it seems not very far fetched that you were grabed in a sense! so sorry if that coment caused you grief ! hey, what was the deal with that Brubaker? Steve, i dont mean any disrespect but your starting to sound like a giddy little kid ! so cool out dude, thanks Larry

[larry warren]

One more bit kids ! i used every tool availible to me to compel wittinesses to speek out, ie, TV Radio, and a Book, as i was alone up against a mighty big and dangerous machine that was hell bent to keep this down! had to be done. Hmmmmmmmm

[John Burroughs]

Brubaker pulled me out said he wanted to do a full show about Bentwaters. He was the one who had me go under Hypnosis and was there when it happened! After the Hypnosis he dropped out he made contact with Chuck DE Caro and then sat on everything! The interesting thing is there was also another guy behind the Hypnosis his name was Bob Emenneger who was working with the government and possibility the CIA at the time. Last spring he approached me and wanted me to go under Hypnosis again out of the blue. Larry you still have not answered my question who told you about this and where did they tell you this! And my next question is you say my encounter happened after yours! Did you encounter happen as you were saying in that video or what you said happened in CNN where we helped repair there ship? And where was Williams in this and where was Halt? Who was with me when I had my encounter and where did they say that happened?

[AgentAppleseed]

The text below is an excerpt from a message I intended sending to John Burroughs. Part of it is relevent to this thread and the discussion currently under way
In light of whats been said earlier, the last paragraph is the most important.

What`s said and what happens, is how things are seen. But of course, there are problems. For example, I see you and Penniston on face-book, and I ask myself, where`s Halt? Other people are asking the same question`s and Halts absence, among other things is causing them to suspect dishonesty on his part, and making them question the direction this case is going, but Ill explain exactly why; below.

What`s said and what happens, is how things are seen. But of course, there are problems. For example, I see you and Penniston on face-book, and I ask myself, where`s Halt? Other people are asking the same question`s and Halts absence, among other things is causing them to suspect dishonesty on his part, and making them question the direction this case is going, but Ill explain exactly why; below.

Maybe I`m a bit behind the times and this has all been sorted out between you and Halt, but I see people all around me turning on you, because of stuff that`s been allowed to go unresolved and left open to speculation. Some time ago, you were having problems with the fact Halt had came out, and said what he said, about the thing being E.T. Basically, as I`ve said, you wanted to know why Halt had come out, to say what he had said, when for years he had maintained that the UFOs were unidentified. Now in the following passages, I want to illustrate how I perceived Halts account and how I found Burroughs reactions questionable instead, while others saw evidence for conspiracy on Halts part, whereas I just don`t see the logical stepping stones necessary from the information available in public, to come to that conclusion.

When Halt came out into the spotlight first, back in the day, he was not really fully prepared for the full repercussions "coming out" entailed. After-all, he`d spent his life in the Air-force, not as a celebrity, or someone well used to the media, and how they operate. He was under the impression, perhaps somewhat naively, that the incident would be more readily accepted as being genuine, or rather "believable", if the question of the origin of the thing seemingly being Alien, could be put to one side for the moment, in order to focus more on establishing what had actually happened, leaving the UFO to be labeled; unidentified. Unfortunately, the reality is, that the words U.F.O will always run hand in hand with the concept of the Alien. He was somewhat upset with Larry Warren for exposing his involvement and and wanted to set the record straight and give his own account. His explanations seemed good to me. Years went by, and then you came on the scene. During the course of the last year or two, you made it known that you had problems with things Halt has said, and some things he has not said. Lets look at two of these problems. You wanted to know how, and why; Halt had changed his tune, on the nature of the phenomenon, ie, it being E.T. Halts explanation for coming out:-
Col Halt claimed; that he said what he said, because he was encouraged to do so by Gary Heseltine. They were working on the script together, and Colonel Halt claimed that he said what he said, for the sake of the fact, that if your going to try and get a film made, you`ve simply got to put a definition, on the subject matter, your script deals with. There are reasons for this, within the film industry alone.(I am fully aware of these reasons which require their own explanation, and I agree 100%) However, aside from this important point, we have the problem that people seem to believe that Col Halt has never thought the UFOs were alien in origin, but in actual fact, Halt has always maintained that the UFOs were unidentified. The idea that Halt was implying anything else other than what was said, ie, that it was man made, is a misperception. He always said "unidentified". What Halt said, to me at least, sounds like a perfectly reasonable explanation for his actions. It seems to me, that by coming out, and saying what he did recently, he was simply trying to tell people; that he believes that the likeliest explanation, in his opinion, given the capabilities involved, is the "Alien" hypothesis. He didn`t say he was sure of it. So what makes you so suspicious about all of the above?

The second big issue you had with Halt, dealt with the fact that, Halt claimed you were not out in the field with him, when in actual fact, you were there, something which was proved by the Halt tape. Here`s what I took from Halts actions-
To answer this, lets go back to when Halt first came out. Halt wanted to go on the record as far as his own involvement in the incident but it was not going to be easy, he faced problems. There were parts of Halts own account, that he simply could not retell, because those particular parts, involved bringing you into the equation. Halt was partly protecting you, because at that time, you had not come out to go on the record yet, but its also very fair to say he was also protecting himself too. It might be fair to go so far as saying there may have been an element of buck passing here too, as there has been all along with the chain of command. Telling everything Halt knew, meant including the part where you come out into the field, and have your own close encounter with the object on the ground. Halt, was smart enough to know that mentioning this sensational aspect, would put him in the position of having to explain it too, a position which, taking into account all of the above, he was not comfortable with, and after-all, it was you who were involved in that part, not Halt himself. Halt had backed up Penniston, and there was also the question whether credibility could be maintained. Halt didn`t want to appear on a show with you, when there were such obvious inconsistencies between what you, Penniston and Halt had to say. It was not that Halt would not appear on a show with you, it seems to me, to have been more about avoiding going on a show with you, if at all possible. There is a difference. So in the end, Col Halt went on to relate instead, his own involvement, and for years, he sticks to that part only. He was somewhat successful in what he tried to do. For the years prior to you coming out, most people thought Halt`s and Penniston`s accounts were the main part of what happened.

I know you have had your own suspicions about Halt, but I have the suspicion that there`s also the factor that Halt suspects the intelligence guys may have done something to you and Penniston and others. I heard Halt say on a podcast, that Burroughs, and Jim, had significant mental issues, as a result of something being done to them, either by the thing, or the intel guys. Does this play a part in why Halt changed his story and some of the other details, claiming you were not out there in the field, because technically, its true, you were`t there, up until a certain point, and also, Halt was afraid you would somehow accidentally screw up the established timeline of events, because you cant remember stuff that happened? I suspect that it is. I suspect that its got nothing to do with Halt acting fishy. I know you might have thought that, but I think you are wrong. I do wonder why you thought that, I always thought your suspicions where a bit off the mark.
Halt has never mentioned seeing what happened when you and Bustinza got close to the object that night. At one point it was mentioned by you, on a podcast, that Halt pointed out one of the UFOs to you, and asked you, if it was anything like the one you`d seen the night before. You replied you didn`t know, and asked for permission to get closer, which was granted, and then you went towards it, with Bustinza. I believe it was mentioned that Halt went back to base or at least left the scene at that point(Ill have to check that) but I wondered if he had seen what followed on from that ,with the UFO coming down on top of you.(It was mentioned he didn`t, or that you didn`t know) Halt has stayed away from it. Why would he leave and go back to base at this point, leaving two men in close proximity to an unknown? I believe he did see what happened. I believe he has stayed away, because of the reasons I`ve already quoted above. And maybe because of the following.....
This next paragraph, is speculation on my part. I`m allowing myself the luxury of jumping ahead of where the evidence goes, for a minute in order to take a guess at where we are headed here..
Besides all of the above, there is another suspicion I have. I know for a fact that there is more to come out, about what exactly happened at this particular point. Recently, it was mentioned on the forum that under hypnosis, you remember Halts group were given a command to send you forward. Now that`s interesting, but of course besides the point. I suspect that what happened when you and Bustinza went forward, may be the beginning of the real story, behind Larry Warrens alleged incident, and if this is true, then it would make more sense if Halt was involved here, not Williams. If Bustinza is with Burroughs during his encounter with the object, then when does the Bustinza and Warren encounter occur? If Burroughs met Bustinza in the field and then they had their encounter with the UFO, then how could Bustinza have possibly gone out to the field with Warren, from the base? This doesn`t make sense. In L.A.E.G, at one point, Bustinza told Larry Fawcett, that it was Halt out in the field, not Williams. (I think its later mentioned Busty made a mistake, but I`m not so sure)This may be another good reason why Halt has never mentioned this part, because what`s to come, will be the real version of what happened with Warrens encounter, ie, Warrens encounter is built around you and Bustinza encountering the UFO on the ground, and Halt didn`t want to go there, because, if this is correct, then Halt wanted to maintain the status quo, as to what went on, and not say too much, until such time as certain individuals would be allowed, given enough rope; to hang themselves, as to what really went on during this part of the incident.

Anyway, something tells me, Halt has his own way of doing things as regards handling how the case is taken forward from here. I suspect that Col Halt wanted to be the representative for the case, because he was afraid other people might hurt its credibility, inadvertently, and accidentally.

Larry has said Bustinza accompanied him out to the field in the truck, and they had their encounter with the UFO in the field, afterwhich time, Larry returned to base while Bustinza joined Burroughs for their encounter, yet if Burroughs met Bustinza in the field with Halt, how can this situation have occurred the way it has been explained?

[larry warren]

John, just a quick one on Brubaker, he was les involved in TV, and more involved in R and D at Lockheed Martain Corp.
thought you would like that one, he sure was a crafty bugger !
Ok, who told me you grabbed an object, ? again this was being said by a few just after the incidents, who said it and the names ect i dont recall, IT WAS NOT BUSTINZA.
Not long before i got out of the AF i met one of our bosses at the rod and gun club,"Highly non standard" this person told me
the above, and included the 10 meter part. thus in my retelling what i was told happened to you, my lax use of launguage i said you rode on it as it moved away, lesson, we must always watch how we use words.
other people told Bruni the same by the way.
i dont know were Halt was, and when we met, i asked him if he wore glasses, for a reason, and never got an answer.
I saw williams, and explain how i knew it was him in the book.
i was told the thing appeared infront of you at the area were the trucks parked, in the woods, not in the field !
as you know john, and as im sure ive explained on this forum some time ago, Cnn interviewed me for quite some time, two points, yes i called williams a Lt Col, by mistake and thats it, i had my dad yelling at Chuck d not to film his house all thru it.
Bustinza said the repair part not me, he said it the year before CNN to Fauctt, i never made sense of it , but Chuck asked about it i told him i never saw that happen, but told him what Bustinza said happened after i and others left, on the show i looks like im describing what i saw, it is not how the interview was, but as you know , thats TV.

One question for you John, i never knew Busty untill that night, but when Ray Boche sp? interviewed you via phone in 84? he asked if you knew bustinza or myself? you said that THOSE names wernt really familiar. now me you would not have known
but why did you not remember the guys name that was with you when whatever happened to you on night 3 happened? you also were stationed with him longer than i was , were you covering for him? or did you really not know his name just 4 years later. see thats the shame of this, pick , pick, pick. i will PM you the boss that said the above and mores name, its not for the public and would raise hell. cheers

[larry warren]

One more John, Who the hell was SSGT Mark Reese? what was his role on base, are you in touch with him? did he make contact with you after the incidents?, just currious, cheers

[stephan]

Steve, i dont mean any disrespect but your starting to sound like a giddy little kid ! so cool out dude, thanks Larry

I don't want you to think about me that way, so what have I said wrong ? Probably it was the bit where I said that memory sometimes plays tricks on us. I did not want to make fun of you here - if it appeared that way I apologize -, but it's really true that this happens escpecially with time passing. And it happens to everyone I guess, to me of course, too. If you meant my childhood experience, it's simply how I perceived things and that experience left me traumatized for years. But if it was something else don't hesitate to tell me what it was. I will stop it then!