Left at East Gate, questions to Larry Warren

[larry warren]

And another, applesauce says that via diligent work by people in the last FEW years the events are now clear as to being over 3 nights ! Really, we started writing our book 22 years ago and knew then as we did when it was published nearly 14 years ago that it was 3 nights! how do some of your heads work ? when i heard about the what happened to the boys meanning JP JB and EC, right after what happened to me i assumed we had gone out because that had happened eariler in the night, as i did not know there had been two previous nights of activity ! but hey thats in the book too. go mess with a dummy, i m not your guy.!

[Frank]

Somewhere in an office in Washington, somebody is probably laughing his *ss off right now.
"Devide and conquer - works every time!"

How certain are we really about the dates, guys? What are the facts here? Or is it just a combination of guesswork and consensus that has slowly grown over the years?

[stephan]

Damn, one more thing ! john, as written in the BOOK, as explained adnauseum, and even to LMH, when i talk about telling bustys experiance, its the underground bit that was mindcontrol, when he denide it happened to him but happened to me i put i back on him

that's the way I understood it Larry.

further steve i was not knocking your experiance at all, just lettin settle down a bit

I will, I will. And whenever I should fail in doing so just give me a little kick (PM me or post it), sometimes I need it!

our date in the BOOK is a best estamate at the time we wrote it, all ive ever known is that it was after Xmas and before
new years, at the time that date worked for me, not for you all, tough.

and that's a big achievement. If I was to pinpoint the night of my childhood ''encounter'' the best time frame I could deliver would be somewhere between 1980 and 1983. I've tried hard to find out the exact year (hey, not even the month, week or day!!) with the help of my parents who were the only ones to know about it but so far I was unable to do so. I only know I was small, able to talk but too small to be able to deal with it in a way a grown-up would have been able to.

I also think that the questions: what happened and why did it happen are more important than the question: on which days did these events occur. Of course that can be very helpful with certain details ie. eg. what happened first and what happened next. If intelligent beings not from this world were involved then they certainly had a purpose to come to the RAF bases.

you may skip the following part, Larry, as it is just my personal view of things:

And if this purpose was to demonstrate their aversion against nukes - a topic we will soon hear more about on the UFOs and Nukes Press Conference - exact dates would be less relevant than what they actually did and why they did it and probably they are still doing it as the super powers of the world still insist that nukes are necessary. But that's just my interpretation of it.

They may have chosen the specific dates around christmas for certain reasons. I could imagine that they monitored the activities on the base and figured that Christmas time might be a ''safe'' time to act. Or perhaps they thought that we were close to WWIII at this point. The fact that they came at night was probably because they wanted people on the base to pay attention. You can't see ''lights in the sky'' very good in daytime, too much sunlight. And as they make no noise they would have possibly not been sighted. They definitely wanted to show themselves to the people on the base. My assumption here is - as I stated earlier - that they wanted to let people know who is ''responsible'' for whatever occured. Had they shown up at daytime they might have been ignored by the base personnel and if interference with nukes took place the Russians would have possibly been held responsible for that and who knows what that would have sparked or led to...

[AgentAppleseed]

As you said yourself Larry, show me something new. What you and I have had to say, is certainly nothing new. Know that I am truly sorry for all the heartbreak and grief this incident has caused you, down through the years. I am truly sorry you came home last night only to find more grief waiting for you when you got in. Do you think I enjoy this Larry? What kind of sick person do you take me for? It kills me to know; that I caused that grief Larry, and that is the honest to God truth. I never called you a liar, or accused you of lying to your mother, nor would I ever. As you said, lifes too short! No one can prove you werent there Larry. One things for sure, your story does not add up, and I would tell you the same thing, man to man, face to face, eye to eye. I will say it to you directly, and not behind your back.
Everyone already knows your position on all of this, and has known it, for years. You are very convincing when you tell your story. In fact, you are one of the most convincing people Ive ever seen tell their story. For years after reading your book, I was convinced you were telling the truth. I was rooting for you Larry, all that time. Down through the years I defended you, to other people who tried to take you down, merely for the sake of the enjoyment they derived from taking you down. I did that, because I believed in you! One thing always bugged me, and that was what Larry Fawcett had said. But I ignored that, because I felt you were the underdog in all of this, but the truth is, that when I followed the path of where the evidence leads, it leads where it leads, and probably always will do, forever after, world without end, Amen! Why? Because you wont give anyone, anything else to go on, thats why! Its the book or nothing at all. I take full responsibility for everything I said, I knew before I said what I said, that I would be looked upon, as being the worst in the world for saying what I did. But hey, Im fine with that, its an unjust world we live in, and theres plenty of people out there, who are a hell of a lot worse for wear and in need of justice than I am. John Burroughs had nothing to do with me saying what I did. Dont blame him, blame me! John Burroughs is the best friend you ever had! In the end, in my own opinion, outside of everything thats been said, and for the sake of the greater good, I give you the benefit of the doubt, and say that; I believe you, you were there, but you werent where you say you were!

[stephan]

AgentAppleseed,

this all sounds very vague and if I was Larry I would probably feel insulted by it. Why shouldn't he have been where he said he were. Just because others think it was in a different place ? To me ''an open field'' like Capel Green would make more sense than a craft that landed inside the wood amidst the trees - a location that would be difficult to reach for people. I don't say that latter isn't possible but it's certainly not any more likely than Capel Green. In fact we ''know'' that there were several crafts sighted on three nights, all in different locations. So who was where and when with whom and who did what at which point may be almost impossible to answer after all. The locations of the landed crafts are certainly more or less correct but the locations of the people involved may be much harder to pinpoint not to mention their location in connection with the exact time...

[AgentAppleseed]

What can I say Stephen? If you think its vague, thats your opinion and your entitled to think it, and I have no problem with that. I am in the same boat where Larrys account is concerned, ie, you think that what I have to say sounds vague, and similarly, I am unable to understand how Larrys version of events, as he has related them in this thread, make any sense. I think something was done to Larry. I think he is a victim of the intelligence agencies and their agendas. To what degree, I dont really know or understand. I find Larry very convincing, and I dont really believe hes a liar, despite what he thinks. He flies off the handle whenever someone has a problem with what he says. Am I not entitled to bring up a problem I have with his story? Alas, he cant tell us anything that can help clear up his story, because he doesnt know himself, or just wont say. I want only to see the truth come out of all this for the sake of the sanity of everyone involved, and I believe that the truth will come out. I hope Larry finds some sort of justice for whatever it was that may or may not have been done to him.

[AdrianF]

Earlier in the thread admin posted a couple of possible scenarios about night 3. They both involve Larry on this night to a greater or lesser degree.

Whether you believe Larry was there or not, doesn't really matter. What matters is the timeline of events. Larry has explained over the years the same core story, in which describes amongst other things the weather on that night. If somebody wants to look up the weather reports for this period of time, it might transpire that he could only be references one night around this period. I'll bet a Mars bar that he is describing the 27th/28th.

[larry warren]

Adrian, thats a good one, back in the 80s halt was based in Belgum, barry greenwood of CAUSE sent Halt an audio tape of my account, Halt sent an audio tape response to barry, on it, halts comment on my description of that nights weather, and how I got out to the forrest are as follows " He is correct on the weather conditions that night and how he got to the site fits in well with my recollections" . we have that tape aswell.

[larry warren]

Appleseed, calm down as they say in liverpool ! Look, im fine with what your view is! Great its what you beleive ! im not going to melt and jump out a window because of your view on me ! crist, ive been up against alot worse than what you have said about me, im by no means a light weight and even survived a casino shoot out, so really dont worry about me, but to say what you said, means to my that you have chosen to ignor my documented medical issiues via expousure to an unsheiled nuke device, and the scientific evidance studied by springborne labs that Really is THE smoking gun in this and a number of supportive statements ect i could go on , but wont, further Johns my best friend in this ? what am i missing here? have your view, ive never been out to convince anyone. Simple you support A version of the events ! GREAT NEWS , after all we just need to prove only ONE night! so its win win ! cheers

Steve, you sound like a really nice guy, thats trying to get his own answers due to your own experiance, i really hope you do pal ! cheers to you too, now i gotta eat a cow. later!

[AgentAppleseed]

im not going to melt and jump out a window because of your view on me !
Nor would I want you too! I know about your health issues, and Im not ignoring them, even if it does seem like I am. I cant explain that, nor would I want to attempt too. I want to see you prove what happened to you. When you do, Ill be the first in line to shake your hand. Believe me, Im not above admitting Im wrong. I also know about some of the documents you have too. The road has always been a rocky one, and the way ahead will be no different.

[larry warren]

Good lord my friend, what would constatute proof ? i prove myself to you, but then theres a guy or girl in kentucky that says
thats not proof enough! its no diffrent with JP, JP, Halt, travis Walton, the kennedy assination, Big foot(i love Big foot)or just about anything in life that makes the idiot public nervous!
this is the way it always will be and im old enough to know it, except it, and live my life the best i can, if any lesson has been learned by me in thirty years from rendlesham, is that via me my son will stand up for what he beleives in life and not fold !
and thats a good thing in my book cheers.

[stephan]

coming back to the location of the landing site. I've tried to locate the exact position with the help of the map in your book. Could you plz take a look and correct it if necessary:



zoomed in:

[stephan]

in this video, time index 6:15:



you say something very interesting that would confirm my assumption as to what the UFOs did to the nukes:

it's important to know that these objects, you know, they were stopped [?] from shooting beams into our hardened earth-covered mounds in the WSA where we stored nuclear weapons and some of the weapons were adversely affected by this. They are tactical nukes and RAF Bentwaters as you know is, was the ... what had the most nuclear weapons in all of NATO.

I would assume that you were told this by Halt and I'm curious to know if he will mention that specific point tomorrow in the Press Conference. I guess that would be a real break-through!

btw, you are hesitating a bit when you say they were ''stopped''. I can hardly imagine that they were stopped but if so do you have more on that ?

[larry warren]

Steve, sorry im not enlightened enough to do the X marks the spot thing, move the x down a little then up, hey funny that so many questions and facts i lay out some remain silent ie study of caple green soil along with others ! YEP NOTHING NEW !
Stevo pm mye a mailing address i will send you a map ! really, ive got some club Brothers trying to do the X even a young prospect, but hes useless !LOL ! By the way, My 81 are truly men of honer! support your local 81!

[larry warren]

Sheit, no Halt dident tell me that ! i knew it cause i was a member of the 81 sps, Tac Nukes on BW, OH YEA ! the others STILL
wont say it.................................................! CHING????

[larry warren]

how do you people dig up these acient vids? my problem is i look like a fat elvis on em ! you should see the pornos.

[stephan]

Steve, sorry im not enlightened enough to do the X marks the spot thing, move the x down a little then up, hey funny that so many questions and facts i lay out some remain silent ie study of caple green soil along with others ! YEP NOTHING NEW !
Stevo pm mye a mailing address i will send you a map ! really, ive got some club Brothers trying to do the X even a young prospect, but hes useless !LOL ! By the way, My 81 are truly men of honer! support your local 81!

you can reach me via
je_mange_donc_je_suis@yahoo.de

(my email addy is public on this forum)

actually John posted another video from the same YT channel (the one which we discussed before). I also checked the other videos there and found the one I just posted.

[John Burroughs]

Stephen
Adrian Bustiza has gone on the record! If you look for a thread called Larry Warrens story started on Feb 11, 2010 you will see what Adrian had to say in you can't tell the people. There are also some very interesting exchanges that go on after that posting! http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=688
So you do have something to refer to dealing with Adrian. Larry I understand the part about the underground base but you did a video a few years ago still talking about underground locations that dealt with the incident even talking about a location inside the WSA! Why would you do that if there was no underground involvement! And last question was there aliens out there or not and did we help repair a ship?

[larry warren]

John, please read back over this thread, in fact read thru the part of my book when i talk about what i saw, you will never find me say that i saw us repair a space ship ! simply because i never have, in this and numerous posts over what, two or three years weve gone over that more than once, ive explained why i was telling chuck about it on CNN, and that the way it was used in the show seems like i saw it, it was not like that at all, chuck asked me about what Busty said to Larry fauctt, we whent into it a bit, i never said i saw that and did not.

further i never called what i saw a space ship nor have i used the term aliens! you refrence Georgina Brunis book and that is a rather uncomfortable area for me as she passed away and is not here to counter what im about to say, but you have brout that book up and i have no choice.
First the underground thing, yes your correct and ive never changed that, what i know is that i was taken down under what i beleive is bentwaters, the memory i have, about 10 mins, i beleive was inplanted to "Suggust" an alien preasance in close proximity to humans, via hypnosis, just like you had, with budd hopkins, it was more a clinical event and not what my mind remembers, frustrating as im sure your sessions were for you, further we i spoke to a number of people ex PSA that confirmed
that such ug areas exist under BW, talk to Peter Robbins im sure he can pass you details if your really interested in that, further i was not alone in that experiance. Also your friend linda has transcribed a tape with info i tell her that has strangly come true since 1980, now thats UNreal !
Adrian went on record in 1984 to larry fauctt and then ray boche, just like you did when you dident remember his name.
i quick search of the net will net you a response to GBs book i wrote when it came out "2000"and her response to me where she ducked all the points i make, in fact i was inches from suing her and her publisher, but my son was born and life got busy.
All i will say without making myself sound like a guy that picks on woman and dead people cause im not, is that in relation to me and alot of other issiues in that book 400 plus in fact, an agenda was at work that perhaps served you and some others? heres a direct quote from GB to peter robbins via email in late 1999,"Peter, great news , sold the book with a nice advance too ! please tell larry that my research has compleatly backed up his story!" end quote.
i dont expect any of the above to satisfy you john but its all i can say, And Steven i cant endorse the above book for afurther reason, Busty told me she changed what she said to her, just like she wrote that i saw quote, Airanautic entites,
And "a huge space ship" ive said neither and dont even know what the first means! i called GB a few years ago. found out she was sick, and she asked me not to tell anyone, ofcourse i did not, and nick pope can confirm that, near the end of the call, i asked why she did me over like she did in the book, her answer, There were pressures, i sorry. end quote.
lastly john it was alive was it an alien from space, the future, another dimention? you tell me after all they comunicated with you and jim ! fill me in mate ! cheers

[larry warren]

Damn i do everything ass backward, ive read that thread that john posted, ie pictures ect! compleat bullshit on the part of the writers ! see the above post by myself.