Timeline 1st night from original witness statements

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Re: Timeline 1st night from original witness statements

Postby larry warren » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:36 am

First , i dont like BS being associated with my friend Peter Robbins, whom frankly has the most insite into what happened than any civilan i know of.whom also has more ethics than most of the high profile researchers that have ever been associated with rendlesham.This is a fact, really besides all that i stand up for my friends! when we did our book, we wrote
what we knew, what we thought we knew, and what we suspected to be the case, at the end of both editions we implored others to come forward and either correct us , confirm aspects, and add there voice and experiance to the events!
again, many years ago, the early 80s! i did indeed feel this all must have happened on one night, simply because i did not know about the previous nights incidents ! when the Halt memo came out in june of 1983, i then knew it was on more than one night! and so did the rest of the world.( you folks have seen me answer this before , havent ya !)
As for your question John, did i see what happened to you and Busty ? first , why are you asking that, has Bustinza decided
to tell the full thing? is he finally going to talk? has someone told you i saw you run into that thing? i want to help you and have always done , but i need to know if you were told that , halt must have seen that happen and others too! funny people are too nerved out to tell it 30 years on.
Im not selling anything, ok the book that makes our publishers money, you got the Bruni thing wrong, and like she said to me , not long before her death , when i asked why she messed me around in her book, answer was," Im sorry larry but there were pressures"! may that never happen to you and jim, let me know if buz told ya that or was it halt or Bob Ball?
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Re: Timeline 1st night from original witness statements

Postby larry warren » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:38 am

John , people DO misquote !wittinesses for what ever reason?
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Re: Timeline 1st night from original witness statements

Postby larry warren » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:41 am

Damn ! also what i was covering for was the underground stuff , this IS explained in the book and on this web site not what happened in the woods. someone correct me if im wrong on this?
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Re: Timeline 1st night from original witness statements

Postby John Burroughs » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:47 am

Larry
I'm not asking you to sell out Bustinza I'm sure Busty will tell his full story when the time is right if you know what i mean! Halt has been going out of his way for Thirty years to keep that part quite and Jim and I have more than enough to expose that now! One of those pieces is a interview you and Robbins did it DC with him. He has also painted himself into a cornor in other ways he will have to tell all soon than later. As far as you being there why would I ask if I didnot know the answer! As far as Bruni and the rest that is truly between you and her but at one pointe you were not aware of what happened except what happened out there on the night led his team into the woods and it all happened between 0230-0300. Also I have talked to Ball and remember I have been working with Nevils and I met with Halt in DC in May.
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Re: Timeline 1st night from original witness statements

Postby John Burroughs » Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:33 am

Larry
If you still out there did you see what happen to me this has nothing to do with anybody else right now but you and I.
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Re: Timeline 1st night from original witness statements

Postby Frank » Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:20 am

John Burroughs wrote:There was only 3 of us who went out into the Forrest and 3 of us came back! The BS Robbins and Warren tried to spin into the first night is just that BS.

Sorry to interrupt this guys, but I have to set one thing straight:

John, this wasn’t a claim by Peter or Larry, it was a message from Ed Cabansag to Peter that is repeated verbatim in the latest version of the book. There are many other messages by witnesses in that section of the book. You can read them online at Google books (just go to page xxiii, Ed’s message is on page xxvi):
http://books.google.nl/books?id=6uy1SbHwnwcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=left+at+east+gate&hl=nl&ei=FITWTOXQJYOfOtGU9McJ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false


Ed Cabansag made some interesting statements over the years. John, do you recognize any of it?

About his witness statement (source: You can't tell the people):
The only thing I signed was for Colonel Halt. I didn’t type anything out. Maybe someone else did it and asked me to sign it. (…) I don’t even remember what I signed. I was so nervous, I just signed it. I don’t remember talking to Halt, I remember sitting in his office in fear of Halt. I was fresh from school.

The handwritten comments on his witness statement (signed by ‘H’) corroborate this:
I’m convinced this is a ‘cleaned-up’ version of what happened. I talked with Amn Cabansag and can say he was shook up to the point he didn’t want to talk.

About the events that night in Bruni’s book:
I remember being with Penniston and Burroughs, there were only three of us, Sergeant Chandler stayed back at the jeep. We all saw something, and I kept thinking this was a joke, but as we got closer and closer we could see a light, and our radio transmissions were cutting out. I remember what I saw; it was to the right of the lighthouse. It was cone-shaped – egg-shaped, with lights running around its belt from left to right. They were blue, white and red lights, flashing, sometimes rapid, sometimes slow. Then we saw flakes of metal coming from it.

About the events that night in LEAG (comment in square brackets it from Peter Robbins):
We got debriefed for hours also! And I know we got injections… I think now more than ever we were not supposed to remember certain things…. [Cavanasac mentions the name of an innocent but involved party here] was missing, but he followed us out, and we didn’t know he was lost or taken. I think they got him back, snapped him out, and sent him home, like a lot of other guys. We were… scared, Burroughs drew his weapon on it and we went blank. Someone was inside that damned thing, you could feel it. (…) Rumors? Bullshit. No one was talking…. But it was not from Earth.

Do you recognize any of this, John?
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Re: Timeline 1st night from original witness statements

Postby larry warren » Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:50 pm

There was talk that John drew his 38 on the object, i dont know if thats correct or if Ed thought he did? we had alot of contact
whilst doing the book, i had more in nevada earlier this year. john, im happy to send you all of our Halt conversations , ie Tapes if they can help you out !further i think Ed was covering for Jim who did go missing perhaps on that first night? the 4th guy takes the heat off the parties concerned.
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Re: Timeline 1st night from original witness statements

Postby larry warren » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:23 pm

Ok john, im a bit cautious when it comes to saying anything these days on these forums, but the answer to your question
would be NO, do i beleive that happened ? YES.
what is strange is that when busty and me talked about this in march of 81, he kept a bringing up your name? but did not say
that he and you had a joint experiance ? had he said as much, i can assure you that my recolection of the conversation would have been in the book.
what is weird to me is that what you have decribed to date is strangly familier to me? cant explain it, also the FACE is known to me as well, all i know is that you were out there off duty, because you knew it was comming back, i also know that you were
TAKEN by someone for a time, and that you are a focus of what this was all about and it scares the shit out of some people in power! jim too, but you guys arnt t5he only people that interacted with THEM, others too! as Halt said to me when he was in a good mood, " larry, i think in time, youl will have company" he was refering to contact with whatever! at Bentwaters, and nothing else! your right John, Halt Knows the big picture, again im happy to mail you our tapes if you think thay can help you guys! cheers. ( see, no ranting or raving !) = no DRINKING!
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