Skip Buran's Comments & Introduction [Merged]

[stephan]

Armold probably thinks he was a witness to the third night (27/28) while in reality he was a witness to the second night (26/27), when he joined Halt investigating the area but nothing of interest was found (Halt went out to the woods twice, for details see http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=842&start=45#p7841)

Frank, you may have overlooked John's post in the same thread you mention, perhaps because he posted it a bit later than your post. Here's what he said:

Problem with that is you need to look at all of Armolds 97 statement. He didnot go out with Halt he went out with me! There was 3 of us who went out together off duty not on we showed up when Halt was allready out in the forrest its on the Halt tape. We have airmen Burroughs and 2 other personal at our location who would like to join up. Ball says not now we will tell them when they can join us. I may not have that word for word but thats how it went down.

sidenote: at this point they hadn't sighted the UFOs, at that moment they were doing the radiation readings (see Halt tape). So if there were UFOs and they (Burroughs, Armold and whoever Bustamante may be) would have been in the area they probably would have sighted them, too.

[Frank]

Thanks for the update, Stephan. Apparently Chris and John have different memories of the events.

But let's stay focused on the main question:

The facts show a HUGE conflict between Jim’s story and the rest of the data on this case. To my knowledge, the explanations Jim gave thus far are:
- We look at things differently.
- Our memories differ somewhat, and we don’t know why.

Sorry to say this, but even to someone like me, who is open-minded regarding the UFO phenomenon, this doesn’t sound convincing at all.

So why is there no convincing explanation for this? And if there is, why doesn’t Jim simply post it on this forum? The silence is deafening ..
His credibility is at stake!

[jpenniston]

Skip, would it me too much for you to answer these questions... I understand you are working 24/7, so when you get back, I would appreciate a response to each question... So I have reposted the questions again...



Hello Skip, welcome to the forum... glad you are finally surfacing after three decades... I have a couple questions that have been bothering me for years... I am sure you have the answers... The written statement you said I did for you, and then you inturned gave to Chuck Halt. Why was it typed? Why was it not on the same USAF witness forms as the others? Why wasn't dated or signed by me, as all others witnesses were?

I never gave you a written statement Skip.... the written statements I gave, were in the AFOSI Office, which was then deamed, classified. And the written statement in Halts office, on the Monday... after the second night incident... all my statements were hand written, signed and dated by me.... Where did you get that typed statement from?

The interesting thing is, that typed statement, is what I was pretty much was told to tell Command and all others after the incident... by whom ever those people were in the AFOSI building that interviewed me... I was following direct orders issued by them, on the premise it was an active on-going investigation, after first interview...

Why would you not follow up after your return from leave, with me, on the picticulars of what happen... after all, I was following your orders to go off base... It is something that never made a lot of sense to me, and I am so pleased to see you finally come forward so I may ask these things, and much other things that have been a mystery for so many years... I also do not remember talking to you on the morning we had came in... Where were you, and why did you let us report this to the Day Shift Commander, and not you... why did you not stay around? I do have many more questions for you Skip, so I am very happy you have decided to come forward... Look forward to interesting conversations with you...

[Frank]

Jim,

While you are waiting for Skip's answer, why don't you give an aswer to the huge difference between your story and that of John and the rest?

See: http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=812

It's the No.1 question of everybody who has studied the case (and probably everybody on this forum), and it's directly connected to the credibility of your story.

Frank

[larry warren]

Funny , and as ive said fo 27 years, my statement was also pre typed, and i and others signed them on the LE desk , whilst major Zigler and those spooks stood waiting in his office door way! Not an underground base ! ONI, and NSA not AFOSI in my case !you debunkers REALLY have no clue ! your still traped in the forrest with out a flash light to show you the way home!
we are your flash light, Come to the light ! its never to late, and have no fear, we will take the heat for you as we have always done ! NO FEAR !

[jpenniston]

Jim,

While you are waiting for Skip's answer, why don't you give an aswer to the huge difference between your story and that of John and the rest?

See: http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=812

It's the No.1 question of everybody who has studied the case (and probably everybody on this forum), and it's directly connected to the credibility of your story.

Frank

Yes this is a very good question. John and I have never waivered on the differences... We have chosen to explain this on the 28th, jointly... Recommend you attend, or in any case we will film it, That way, we are both there, and we can respond to all who have questions. It has nothing to do with credibility of us, for our credibility has been endoresed by all Air Force Officers that we had worked with, and our sterling career history...... We are only witnesses, trained to observe, trained to report, trained to let compentent authority make decisions on the results of our investigation, and to evaluate. It was never, our job to make command decisions, only to report. It is unfortunate for all (civilians) who have followed this... Because, you have not been privy to a great deal of information... Although a public event.... It was still handled under the umbrella of the United States Air Force, and the secrecy which was implemented.

So, not all is known to the public... I think the biggest part of causing a problem with the whole case (I am talking about the first night) has been all the (good-doers) people who publish, embellish, and even just make things up... Most have been from so called debunkers.... This ET, thing is a strange one, and I think that all of you who keep saying that, would need to look at John and my statements, presentations, and releases through-out the years... A craft-of-unknown-origin means, I can not identify, point of manufacture or origin... Its pretty simple.. I have no control of people with wishful thinking, or people who must "want to believe" in such things. The rest of these people have tried to tie all this other hoooeey, which runs rampid and destorted within the UFO type of phenomena... This event, falls into the 2 percent of truely, unexplainable phenomena. Of course I may only speak on the night I witnessed and no other night.... I can only speak on the events I witnessed and reported back to base officials. So Frank, your answer is forthcomming, so we will make sure if you can not attend, that this is published for everyones review..

[Frank]

Can't wait to review it, Jim.

[larry warren]

Stevefromgermany you piss me off dude !you got the angle ! but ya dont got the curves ! to quote my pal DR John ! or mac rebineck of new orleans LA !!! get real man . i thought you were cool?

[stephan]

Stevefromgermany you piss me off dude !you got the angle ! but ya dont got the curves ! to quote my pal DR John ! or mac rebineck of new orleans LA ! get real man . i thought you were cool?

if all that remains, Larry, that would make me think that something ''out of this world'' or extraordinary or whatever you want to call it, happened, would be your story - and so far I really believed it and you know that I did - and you have nothing else to say but ''you piss me off'' ... that doesn't really leave much room for believing it now anymore. I feel betrayed by ya. Despite all, I cannot call you a bad person as you have always been kind and helpful ... The only way I can interpret your reaction now is that you feel I've uncovered something (you see I've only said probably, could, if, hypothetically, maybe but you behave as if I stated it as fact) and therefore you won't be able to get me back, hence you don't like me no more. Okay, I'll have to live with that. The only thing that could change my mind now would be hard proof either in the form of the film footage you mentioned in your book or some official documentation.

[sburan]

In the statements furnished, (then) SSgt Penniston appears to have said in his or as reported by MSgt Chandler, that the closest he ever got to anything was 50 meters.

A little different from touching an object.

[John Burroughs]

Wow! Waht about the questions that come up from your statement? That was along trip!!!

[jpenniston]

In the statements furnished, (then) SSgt Penniston appears to have said in his or as reported by MSgt Chandler, that the closest he ever got to anything was 50 meters.

A little different from touching an object.

Yes Skip, that is the unsigned and undated statement from AFOSI. Not my statement. It is AFOSI, cover story and what they ordered.

Jim

[jpenniston]

My God Skip, that sure was a long trip. I thought you were only going for a week??

[marantz]

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