UFO free speech for all & RFI talk September 10 2011

[Gordy]

In view of the feedback we received, one of the main concerns was that not enough questions were answered or indeed asked at the 30th anniversary conference by British witnesses to the Rendlesham Forest incident. We have therefore decided to stage another event at the same venue in the hope that these issues can be addressed to those concerned

British UFO Free Speech for all.

Come along and have your say on September 10th 2011 at 6pm - 11pm Woodbridge Community Hall, Woodbridge Suffolk, IP12 4AU. British UFO Free Speech for all. British witnesses to what you have seen & where - put your sighting on a map. No Secrecy acts - UFO Investigators on hand if anyone would like to talk in confidence. People listen to your stories - whether it is UFO’s - Ghosts - Spirits etc.

Woodbridge Community Hall.
Station Road
Woodbridge
Suffolk
IP12 4AU

Price per person £10.

Guest Speakers include:

Brenda Butler, co author of SKYCRASH, the first book written about the Rendlesham Forest Incident C1984.

Peter Robbins, Peter Robbins is a NY based investigative writer best known for his work in the field of UFO studies, as a researcher, investigator, writer, lecturer, activist and author. A regular fixture on radio shows around the USA, he has appeared as a guest on and been consultant to numerous television shows and documentaries. Speaking venues have included the National Press Club, Washington D.C.; Cornell University, Ithaca, NY; The Julliard School, New York City; University of Arkansas; The Royal College of Science and Technology, London; University of Cardiff, Wales; UK; University of Hallam, Sheffield, UK; The Summerhill School, Suffolk UK, and the Psychiatric Wing of Cambridge Hospital, Boston, sponsored by Dr. John Mack, co-founder of the Wing and Pulitzer Prize recipient and Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard; UFO Reykawvik Summit, Lawrence, KA 2011; Annual National Conference of The UFO Organization of Japan, Tokyo; Annual Conference of The Centre For Fortean Zoology, Devon UK; Leeds International UFO Conferences and Bentwaters UFO Incident 30th Anniversary Conference, UK; Also international scientific conferences on the Life and Work of Dr. Wilhelm Reich, Niece France and Ashland Oregon; Niagara County Community College, Buffalo, NY; Henry Ford Community College, Dearborn, MI; Main Branch, Philadelphia Free Library; Roswell Public Library, NM; The Swan Library, Albion, NY and a Fifteen-city book tour of the UK.

Larry Warren, formally of the 81st SPS, witness to the events on the third night of the Rendlesham Forest Incident and co author of Left at East Gate: A First-Hand Account of the Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident, Its Cover-Up and Investigation.

For ticket sales send a stamped, self-addressed envelope to:
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108 Spring Road
Ipswich
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This is a charity event. Profits from this event will be donated to the RSPCA.

We raised just short of 2 thousand pounds for the childrens charity from ticket sales from the 30th Anniversary Conference and it is our hope that we can raise a similar amount for the animal charity RSPCA, however if anybody has any suggestions for a charity we could donate some of the profits to please let me know.

[John Burroughs]

Gordy
Jim and I wish you the best on this! You really did a graet job with the last one and I'm sure this one will be the same..

[Gordy]

Thanks guys, appreciate it.

[Gordy]

Why were the British Police out there in force over those Dec 1980 nights with road blocks when they denied they were there at all?, there were witnesses to this, why were they stopped from proceeding? what was the object that was under a tarpaulin under armed guard by military personel? was it a crashed
KH-9 (Keyhole-9) reconnaissance satellite? as has been proposed. There were at least two eye witnesses to this, we know one is still alive as he contacted me in Dec 2010, not sure about the other however Brenda interviewed him in the early 80's and has that interview on tape. This program was re-classified by President Bush after Clinton de-classified it.

[tdeeefc]

why would it crash there, and not tesco car park,was it under intelligent control

[Observer]

Gordy

The Suffolk Police did attend when they were informed of lights seen in the forest by USAF security, I think 2 or 3 turned up and inspected and measured the indentation marks in on the forest floor.

The British Police were called again by USAF security for the same reasons but declined to attend saying there was nothing of importance worth investigating, or words to that effect. Read the Suffolk Police files. They have never denied their attendance. However, if they did turn up in large numbers to man road blocks and are denying it then you must look at their duty roster for the night in question. Only a handfull of Policemen were on duty for Christmas and their patrol 'patch' would be huge. Off duty coppers would have to be called in to carry out a road block and keep the rest of the county patrolled as well. Check the duty rosters and files. Having worked for the Police for 35 years, I think I know a little of how things work.
I'm not saying a road block was not carried out by British Police, may be it was by the USAF security and not the British Police but its always been a rather fanciful idea with no hard evidence to back the claim. Get us the evidence that would stand up in court.
Obs

[IanR]

Correct, Obs. Two local police turned up at the time of the incident and said all they could see was the Orford Ness lighthouse. Two more were called out after daybreak to see the supposed landing marks and said they were simply animal diggings. Two nights later, when Halt was out there, the local police were called out again but declined to attend what they described as “a recurrence of an earlier incident which was seen as somewhat frivolous”. A letter from the police inspector to Georgina Bruni makes it clear what they thought about it all.
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/police.htm

[Observer]

Ian

We have been over this so many times before on the forum. The subject of the British Police involvement has been extensively covered. Newer members should spend a little more time looking at what us older members covered several years ago, just look in the archives. I knew this would end up as a revolving door forum.

Obs

[Daniel]

...We have been over this so many times before on the forum. The subject of the British Police involvement has been extensively covered. Newer members should spend a little more time looking at what us older members covered several years ago, just look in the archives. I knew this would end up as a revolving door forum...

I've seen this sort of comment written here before, not only by you but from a few others. I've often had these questions. If newer members should go back and look at the archives, spanning over several years, what sort of keywords should they be looking for? If they haven't come across some of the information that has been covered here how could they search for specific information other than to read every single post here? A little more time seems like an understatement to me.

I can't really name one forum related to the subject of UFO's that aren't a 'revolving door forum'. To resolve this a Wiki page would have to be created and carefully managed so that information can easily be located and accessed. Sadly I don't think a Wiki page would get very far, as forum contributors from the past will probably not wish to add to it, well except for Ian's contribution.

[Observer]

Perhaps Admin can help out.

Obs

[bignos]

hi, as a noob to this site, i found that the the site has a lot of spam and broken links (eg photos) this makes it quite hard to navigate and find what im looking for. The information seems out of date (i mean for instance in the section 'evidence' - the earthfiles reports list the landing site as now in a different location after the December visit), this makes deciding what is fact and what is not quite hard. Threads go off at tangents making it hard to trace things, perhaps a different structure and more moderators would help (sections for theories for instance - not an individual section, with subsections for each of the main theories and room to add others). the generally accepted story and or opinion could be a sticky in the section to keep it prominent). I appreciate that it takes time to update a site, so why not help it look after its self and please dont moan at us new guys, the door swings both ways.

i check in on this site most nights and want to learn more

[Observer]

Bignose

I'm no expert managing forums, but what it needs is short cut links to some of the subjects discussed in the past.

As for the landing sites, the waters couldn't be more muddy. They kept changing their minds and of course the great storm of 87 did not help finding locations. Halt then admitted he went out to invent new/different landing sites, who knows why, but it ended up as a confusing mess.

Some of the major theories discussed were:
Apollo training capsule.
Cobra Mist
Pilots under the influence
Crashed satellite Russian or American
Nuclear weapon accident
Chemical weapon accident
Micro wave technology at the BT research centre Martlesham Heath.
EM technology, check John Burroughs posts
Early test flight crash of an F-117a
Pilotless super sonic surveillance craft carried by the SR-71
Psyche Experiment carried out on the witnesses
A Christmas prank carried out by the 67th Special ops guys
Drugs
IRA/CND activity
Russian Spys
British Polaris re entry BUS. good one this as Larry Warren describes it well, look at pictures and then read Warren's remarks, "It looked kinda old fashioned and modern at the same time and it had little boxes and pipes all over it".
You can also google most of these subjects which may give you short cuts or info on what we discussed.
Hope there is some thing here to get your teeth into.
There are many more subjects most of which I can't remember

Obs

[bignos]

thats a big help!
Who is responsible for the layout of the site? would it be possible to send constructive criticism?
After the speech will there be a visit to the site?

[Gordy]

Gordy

The Suffolk Police did attend when they were informed of lights seen in the forest by USAF security, I think 2 or 3 turned up and inspected and measured the indentation marks in on the forest floor.

The British Police were called again by USAF security for the same reasons but declined to attend saying there was nothing of importance worth investigating, or words to that effect. Read the Suffolk Police files. They have never denied their attendance. However, if they did turn up in large numbers to man road blocks and are denying it then you must look at their duty roster for the night in question. Only a handfull of Policemen were on duty for Christmas and their patrol 'patch' would be huge. Off duty coppers would have to be called in to carry out a road block and keep the rest of the county patrolled as well. Check the duty rosters and files. Having worked for the Police for 35 years, I think I know a little of how things work.
I'm not saying a road block was not carried out by British Police, may be it was by the USAF security and not the British Police but its always been a rather fanciful idea with no hard evidence to back the claim. Get us the evidence that would stand up in court.
Obs

Very unlikely I could get evidence that would stand up in court. I wish I could but I did not expect the 30th ann event to stir up so much interest at such short notice and I was unable to personally handle the amount of phone calls and information therein I received. Two independant witnesses called me on separate days in Dec 2010 both saying the same thing, they were stopped by British Police at a road block during the dates in question, forgive me as I do not have details as to precisely where this occured, I was simply overwhelmed at the time with so many phone calls on landlines and cell phone that I had to switch the phones off, I needed a call centre to handle that many calls. But thats why we have organised this event so everybody can have their say and raise money for the RSPCA.

[IanR]

the earthfiles reports list the landing site as now in a different location after the December visit, this makes deciding what is fact and what is not quite hard.

Well, the site that Halt examined and which the British police were taken to see was near the eastern edge of the forest
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham5b.htm
Jim P has taken TV crews to an "alternative" landing site on the western side of the forest, i.e. the side nearest East Gate, but he admitted in December that he had made this up. Instead they came up with a new "alternative alternative" landing site somewhere out in the farmer's field, which is what you have seen on the Earthfiles site, but no one seems to take this latest change of story any more seriously than the binary code stuff.

Ian

[John Burroughs]

the earthfiles reports list the landing site as now in a different location after the December visit, this makes deciding what is fact and what is not quite hard.

Well, the site that Halt examined and which the British police were taken to see was near the eastern edge of the forest
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham5b.htm
Jim P has taken TV crews to an "alternative" landing site on the western side of the forest, i.e. the side nearest East Gate, but he admitted in December that he had made this up. Instead they came up with a new "alternative alternative" landing site somewhere out in the farmer's field, which is what you have seen on the Earthfiles site, but no one seems to take this latest change of story any more seriously than the binary code stuff.

Ian

I was just checking the site from time to time but once again Ian is full of himself and makeing things up which is what he does best . Jim stated he realized he was wrong about the area nearest the east gate. We took my statement went back over it and what we remembered and Id the area in the forrest right before you enter the farmers field. It is in the area of the finger that also has water in it which is where the earth files report showed we picked up a engery field and the infrered cameras picked somthing up. I plan on staying out of this forum discussion as much as possible as I can see it mostly the same old people going over the same old stuff. But when things pop up like Ian lies and his bitterness which is because his lighthouse theory is dead when down without a fight would not even show up and defend it in Dec.

[Observer]

Hi all

Were any ex USAF members of this forum based at RAF Woodbridge in 1988?

Cheers
Obs

[tdeeefc]

john,if i witnessed what i believed was a craft from outer space ,im pretty sure id remember where it landed,at least within a reasonable distance ,thats if i hadnt already run a mile

[bignos]

has john ever said that it was from outer space?? i dont think so......

[tdeeefc]

ok a strange glowing craft with strange symbols ,that disappears in a blink,something very unusual, i would without doubt remember where it landed