It must have been ET

[alive555]

puddle

with all due respect i think you are seriously missing my point.

if the technology existed 30 years ago as described in this incident - then why dont they use today ?

what are they waiting for ?

for example in the belgian ufo case this was recorded ;-

the object had speeded up from an initial velocity of 280 KPH to 1,800 KPH, while descending from 3,000 meters to 1,700 meters…in one second! This fantastic acceleration corresponds to 40 Gs. [A "G" is a unit of acceleration. One G is equivalent to the gravitational pull of the earth, 9.81 m/sec/sec.] It would cause immediate death to a human on board.

next you will be telling me it was unmanned - which is possible - the performance certainly isnt

[Daniel]

One reason why technology, as advanced as this, wouldn't be publicly used is because it could lead to another arms race. The owner would lose all advantages that they once had. Depending on what technology is in use, e.g. Free Energy, business monopolies can easily go bust overnight. Nowadays businesses tend to fund the government who fund the military, so they tend to have more of a say on what goes on compared to the common folk. A lot of Tesla's documents went missing, probably had some beneficial information for us.

[alive555]

arms race ? presumably ur not an engineer

it would take them 1,000s of years to catch up in the race they were so far behind .

[Deep Purple]

Alive555, I think you've hit the nail on the head-- there is no sign of Alien Technology in the current defence development.
Look at the US--- the Raptor and Joint Strike fighter--- excellent aricraft-- but conventional.
Convential stealthy drones used to take on many roles eg Predator.
No ray guns, just the Barrett 50 cal-- a development of existing arms. The B52 , A10, Chinook are still flying?
Wheres the ET technology?
Gulf war? Centrifuge Munitions very smart but not ET, Depeleted Uranium rounds--- basic physics no ET
If we want to prove its ET--- we are light years away from this.

Keep thinking folks
Deep Purple

[stephan]

the object had speeded up from an initial velocity of 280 KPH to 1,800 KPH, while descending from 3,000 meters to 1,700 meters…in one second! This fantastic acceleration corresponds to 40 Gs. [A "G" is a unit of acceleration. One G is equivalent to the gravitational pull of the earth, 9.81 m/sec/sec.] It would cause immediate death to a human on board.

next you will be telling me it was unmanned - which is possible - the performance certainly isnt

I think even unmanned crafts would face the obstacle of inertia. Your example indicates that the acceleration in this case is a function of time (t) and that it was even much bigger than 422 m/s² because if we take the difference in height as a basis for the calculation of a (acceleration) we obtain 2444 m/s² (!!) which is roughly 250 Gs. But in that case we'd end up at 8800 kp/h (a=constant). In order to fulfill both conditions, i.e. descent of 1300 m/s and acceleration from 280 kp/h to 1800 kp/h in one second the acceleration curve would probably look like a decaying sine funtion or saw tooth with a being bigger than 250 Gs at some point and the velocity bigger than 8800 kp/h. Thus - if my calculation is correct -, a craft weighing a ton for example would suddenly ''weigh'' several hundreds of tons.

But if some clever folks down here have overcome inertia I wonder why science is still spending billions and billions of money to find out what mass actually is ...

[alive555]

yeah i mean lets develop technology and not use it.

Bear in mind that in 1980 when this incident occurred it was still years before had developed a properly functioning internet.

i bet those alien folks on that ET craft already had 3g, facebook and wifi onboard.

[Frank]

i bet those alien folks on that ET craft already had 3g, facebook and wifi onboard

Maybe we should search for them on Facebook instead of over the radio waves


I was a front seat passenger in an old Dodge sedan, I had a practically unobstructed view (…)
I was surprised to see fat aluminum or metallic-colored “fuselage” nearly the size of a small freighter, but shaped more like a dirigible, approaching from the rear. (…) It was moving slowly, probably 100 mph or a little more.
(…)
there was ample time to study it in changing perspective. (…) Had this been the blimp I could have read GOODYEAR, but it was much longer.
(…)
It began to accelerate very rapidly (…). It passed us going at an astounding speed.
It disappeared into the cloud layer (…) in what I estimated to be four seconds after the time it began to accelerate. The accelerating distance was measured by the car odometer to be 5 miles.
(…) if the acceleration was uniform, to cover 5 miles in 4 seconds with a 100 mph start means an acceleration of 100 times earth gravity and a speed at disappearance into the cloud layer of 8900 mph. But just as astounding as the performance figures was the silent operation. Not a sound was heard. This was surely a sophisticated performance, to make the understatement of the year.

Paul R. Hill (1909-1990), who spent a lifetime in the field of aeronautics, on the cutting edge of research and development, as employee of the Langley Research Center under the National Advisory Committee of Aeronautics and NASA.

This sighting was in 1962 …

Many people forget that we have been observing and even measuring these kinds of performances since the early 50's. So they must have kept these secret aircraft hidden for a very, very long time ...

[puddlepirate]

Perhaps the ET buffs out there can explain this one..

Why was Rendlesham forest absolutely normal during the day? The place is very popular with dog walkers, hikers and so forth and always has been as far as I can make out but not one person - not even anyone at the twin bases - reports seeing anything odd during the day. Yet at night the forest is suddenly transformed into the Heathrow airport of the UFO world, thronged with alien craft performing amazing stunts through the trees. Come daybreak - hey presto! It's back to normal. Then comes the night and wallop, they're back! Shining lights down on to the WSA, flying to and fro, backwards and forwards and gawd know what else. Where to they go during the hours of daylight?

[Frank]

Then comes the night and wallop, they're back! (...) Where to they go during the hours of daylight?

They don't seem to like the hours of daylight (or maybe they don't get noticed then):




ET's simply love the nightlife. That is why the Dutch developed this brilliant machine to find them:

[puddlepirate]

Hmmm...sightings tend to peak towards the late evening. In the UK that's when the pubs are usually most busy. Incidentally the USAF has, or most certainly had, a specialist moving image unit (started in WW2 and was manned by Hollywood directors, cameramen etc - I kid you not) -film makers from the unit made all kinds of covert movies for the military, factual stuff - and according to listings on the internet were still making movies in 2001. Film makers from the unit were the first at Hiroshima, were in aircraft during bombing raids, at various nuclear tests, bio warfare test etc etc. Could they have been at Rendlesham I wonder.....

[Observer]

I think Puddle makes a valid point about 'they only come at night and in a blaze of light'.
Is this for more dramatic effect to us earthlings. You can bet that the lights seen in the forest was to attract attention of the SP's.
A friend of mine who lived local to the forest and was a retired RAF Police dog handler told me he walked his dogs [Border Collies] in the forest during the days over Christmas. He said the forest seemed absolutely normal to him. So its a bit strange that as soon as it gets dark it all kicks off again.
I suggest you all look for a more down to earth explanation before blaming ET.

Observer

[IanR]

I find this fascinating. Jim and John have made an unequivocal statement, which you can read in full on this very site
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=796
in which they say: “At no time has either of us said It was E.T. in nature. Nor will we! We believe in the most obvious, based on the facts of the case of knowing what we believe it was will be in full disclosure by us in December 2010 in London... Again, I will reiterate this was not E.T. related.”

As far as I am aware, their purpose in coming over to England next month is to tell us more about Jim’s ”They are us” story:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1745

Yet it seems that everyone here has already decided not to believe their explanation, even though they are the prime witnesses to the initial night’s events. So where does that leave them?

[alive555]

the facts are that they do not know what it was . i believe i read somewhere that jim thought it may have been from another dimension ? whatever that is it aint conventional and it aint from anywhere round here

once again whats im saying is that either it was either a hoax or it was ET .

simple reason is you cannot account for the incredible performance silent engine etc with conventional means.

Can you ?

no !

end of story.

[stephan]

Yet at night the forest is suddenly transformed into the Heathrow airport of the UFO world, thronged with alien craft performing amazing stunts through the trees. Come daybreak - hey presto! It's back to normal. Then comes the night and wallop, they're back! Shining lights down on to the WSA, flying to and fro, backwards and forwards and gawd know what else. Where to they go during the hours of daylight?

puddle, I gave a possible answer to this question some time ago in another thread. I've underlined one important issue in above quote. I think that you won't see beams of light in daylight. And as (imo) they wanted to show who's in charge they did it at night. Otherwise the Russians or other folks may have been blamed for the alleged meddling with nukes ... which might have sparked some trouble which is unlikely but just to make sure, you know. There are some additional advantages: population sleeps at night for the most part. So they don't see it, only those who were meant to receive their ''message'' (and perhaps a few civilians who were not asleep). ET obviously is not interested in grand scale contact. Remember they did it all silently, nobody would have woken up by their sounds except for Mr. Harris perhaps who heard the voices of the base personnel out in the field.

[puddlepirate]

Extraordinary. They travel millions of miles - lightyears, possibly - to deliver a vital message to mankind about the folly of nuclear weapons but instead of going straight to the top, the White House or the Kremlin, they faff around at night in a remote forest in eastern England where they were only noticed by chance. Further still, they risk their advanced craft by landing in a forest of closely spaced trees!! Awesome!! If nothing else, common sense says that has to be total nonsense.

Anyway, moving on. When the witnesses state unequivocally that it was not ET then that has to be accepted as fact. To ignore that is to ignore everything the witnesses have said. which by default means there is absolutely no evidence of any kind and the RFi is simply whatever anyone wants it to be. So much for serious research!

Thanks Obs. The fact that the forest was absolutely normal during the hours of daylight - particularly between the first sighting of lights by JB and P in the early hours of the morning and the 'it's back' statement later in the evening of the 26th - is particularly telling. It seems that no USAF activity of any real significance took place until a large number of personnel went off base late on the evening of the 26th. This raises the question - were the two events actually linked or were they totally separate but happened to occur within hours of each other, with the second incident being far more serious than the first? If they were linked then it seems somewhat implausible that there was no activity at all during the hours of daylight. I would have thought someone would have gone into the forest during the day to see if there were any traces of whatever was seen earlier. Even if only to verify there was no threat to base security.

[stephan]

puddle,

you make certain assumptions - you don't mention them though - that don't necessarily be true. I'll indicate those assumptions in red:

Extraordinary. They travel millions of miles - lightyears,

your assumption: to travel those distances it takes them a long time

possibly - to deliver a vital message to mankind about the folly of nuclear weapons but instead of going straight to the top, the White House or the Kremlin,

y.a.: the message will reach the White House/ Kremlin only in case they contact them directly

they faff around at night in a remote forest in eastern England where they were only noticed by chance.

y.a.: ET would either not have noticed that he wasn't noticed or he would not have waited until he was noticed

Further still, they risk their advanced craft by landing in a forest of closely spaced trees!!

y.a.: they are vulnerable to conventional weapons

Awesome!! If nothing else, common sense says that has to be total nonsense.

y.a.: common sense is always right

But what if your (and many other sceptic's) assumptions are just wrong ? I mean would you totally exclude that possibility ?

[John Burroughs]

Puddle and Observer
Obs its nice to see you back on I heard you were really sick so I'm glad your getting better! Puddle what Jim and i are trying to say we can't tell you for sure what it was! Somthing happened to us that we can't explain! We can tell you what it was not IE the lighthouse stars planets. I'm sorry your nuke chemical theory does not seem to fit also! Were not trying to upset the people who feel its ET! We just can't say thats what it was for sure! Puddle I'm even more sorry that you can't for even one Min being open to the fact it could be ET or some other unexplainable event! Its funny Ian E-Mailed me about the spook lights and asked me if thats what I thought it was! I told him anything was possible he replied I can't even put any thought into fringe things like that! Well the article was written by his good friend Dr David Clarke! Glad you doing better Observer! And there were people in the woods during the day's after the event trying to figure out what had happened! For all those new to the forum Observer is one of the original members holds the record for the most post! Now all we need is for redsocks to pop back in!

[Frank]

I think reasoning along the lines "if I were ET, I would behave differently so it's not ET" is not getting us anywhere.

I once saw an aerial picture of an undiscovered primitive tribe in South America. I bet the members of the tribe had lots of opinions about why the plane was there, but I'm sure not one of them guessed it right. "You can't steal cattle this way, that thing only holds one goat and two chickens". "If these were intelligent visitors they would land on the property of the Chief or the Medicine Man." "I see no logical behaviour whatsoever so it must have been a bush that was on fire."

I bet none of them said: "Hey, this must be a reporter taking pictures of us. He probably wants to publish and broadcast them using TV, internet and magazines. This is because he wants to show the world we exist and urge everyone not to interfere with one of the last undisturbed tribes in the jungles of South America!"

And that's just fellow human beings with a technology backlog of no more than 1000 years...

The detailed description given in the past by Jim and backed up by his notebook is enough proof for me, if the men can show this event actually fits in the timeline. Hopefully they can.

And yes, they never said it was ET. But they never really explained it either .. I think they have become wise enough to keep their speculations to themselves and to only report the facts.

[Observer]

Hi John
Thank's for your kind words, we go back a long way as you know and you are aware of my thoughts on the RFI.
The old ticker gave a big hicup back in June, but i'm on the mend now., but have to take the pills.

John we all make assumtions and Puddle and myself have given our fair share. Not once have we ever called any one a liar, but I have to say that each story from you guys varied and it was/is pretty hard to corroberate collectively into hard evidence. Halt has not done this investigation much favour and I now ignore is comments.

I believe that all the witnesses you included reported honestly what you saw, but it was what you thought you saw which carried some interpretation. Yes, ET is perfectly feasable, but you know as well as I do that all possible man made scenarios are a long way from being exhausted yet.

Since I last posted on this forum, another ex USAF guy from Woody has contacted me and he said we should be looking at the 67th for the answer. Sgt Brian Berg and some of his men were up to tricks on those nights and thats all he would say. Berg and a few 67th men were outed from the USAF after Christmas 1980 for serious drug offences. Berg was killed a few years later in a hang glider accident in Napal.
I will re enter into sensible debate as and when I feel I can make some valid comment on the subjects being talked about.

Obs

[John Burroughs]

Observer
I'm glad your doing better! Have these 67th guys come foreword and face the music like we have not just hide behind the scene and try and take pot shots at us! Have them show us how it was done! If the 67th was involved and I say if there would have been some kind of special Ops going on not someone running around pulling a joke. I hope your well enough to come out and meet up with us on the 28th of December! And I know its very tough for some people to ever admit that there are things out there that are unknow1 Even the Mod said there proof there spook lights but there not sure how it happens!