Larry King 18/07/08 UFOs over Nuke Silos

[Admin]

Very interesting. Thanks Silvertop.

The 'believers' put forward very good arguments, Bill Nye had quite a hard time.

[robert]

They have been around and affecting these Nukes for decades.
Seen in most of the test done at Bikini Atoll.1947.
Obviously they have no need to collect information any more so why are they doing it. Why are they still attracted to Nuclear sites.
(Sightings at Chenobyll as well by the way, just before the melt down.)
I noticed Obs, you mentioned them having increased in numbers since the Nuclear explosions of 1945 etc., but do you recall the reports of Glowing spheres running along side the allied Night fighters and Bombers over Europe in WW2?
Foo fighters I think they were called. Small and numerous. The Allies thought they were German initially and vica versa. Halt mentioned seeing one about 18inches diameter in one of his interviews.

Robert

[robert]

Just watched the whole of the You tube Larry King episodes Silvertop.

Really enjoyed them, thanks.

It was Obs that was asking the question so I'm sure he will enjoy the presentation as well.

By the way who is this Bill Nye. Is he the new Klass. Really got the feeling the guy didn't know the subject at all!

Cheers
Robert

[Observer]

An interesting theory re the WW-2 Foo Fighters.
From an article i read many years ago in a Sunday Supplement written by a German investigator.
He suggested that these so called Foo Fighters were in fact ionised Plasma Spheres/bubbles that had simply escaped un noticed from German labs during the war into the out side atmosphere.
He also said that radar beams attracted them and aircraft from the RAF and Luftwaffe which quite often flew along navigational guidance beams to and from targets on their bombing runs just encountered them flying on the same beams. He also thought that the radar beams excited the atoms in side the plasma ball making them glow!! They were though completely harmless.
Has this technology moved on? Is there a connection to RFI?
Obs

[robert]

An interesting theory re the WW-2 Foo Fighters.
From an article i read many years ago in a Sunday Supplement written by a German investigator.
He suggested that these so called Foo Fighters were in fact ionised Plasma Spheres/bubbles that had simply escaped un noticed from German labs during the war into the out side atmosphere.
He also said that radar beams attracted them and aircraft from the RAF and Luftwaffe which quite often flew along navigational guidance beams to and from targets on their bombing runs just encountered them flying on the same beams. He also thought that the radar beams excited the atoms in side the plasma ball making them glow!! They were though completely harmless.
Has this technology moved on? Is there a connection to RFI?
Obs

If this German investigator is right about the plasma escaping from a laboratory it sounds plausible but it is more likely it would have to be a delibertate release as these things were seen throught the war!

Having said that if they can be attracted to a radar or navigation beam then they are controllable. The Phased array radar can alter its search to a narrow path so it could 'steer' the plasma along the beam?

Only trouble is these glowing balls were in the news lately flying around two commercial jets in Mexico. One Jet was affected by the spheres flying around it's wings and damaged the flaps!

Don't think the Military would be testing them on a commercial jet!

I still think you have a possible partial answer to some of the phenomena there though.
Very Interesting Obs.

Thanks for that.

Robert

[robert]

Did I read that right. Inside the Aircraft? down the Aisle?

Sounds frightening. Combustible?!

Robert

[robert]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/03 ... ma_weapon/


Maximum pain is aim of new US weapon

* 19:00 02 March 2005
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* David Hambling



The US military is funding development of a weapon that delivers a bout of excruciating pain from up to 2 kilometres away. Intended for use against rioters, it is meant to leave victims unharmed. But pain researchers are furious that work aimed at controlling pain has been used to develop a weapon. And they fear that the technology will be used for torture.

"I am deeply concerned about the ethical aspects of this research," says Andrew Rice, a consultant in pain medicine at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital in London, UK. "Even if the use of temporary severe pain can be justified as a restraining measure, which I do not believe it can, the long-term physical and psychological effects are unknown."

The research came to light in documents unearthed by the Sunshine Project, an organisation based in Texas and in Hamburg, Germany, that exposes biological weapons research. The papers were released under the US's Freedom of Information Act.

One document, a research contract between the Office of Naval Research and the University of Florida in Gainesville, US, is entitled "Sensory consequences of electromagnetic pulses emitted by laser induced plasmas".

It concerns so-called Pulsed Energy Projectiles (PEPs), which fire a laser pulse that generates a burst of expanding plasma when it hits something solid, like a person (New Scientist print edition, 12 October 2002). The weapon, destined for use in 2007, could literally knock rioters off their feet.
Pain trigger

According to a 2003 review of non-lethal weapons by the US Naval Studies Board, which advises the navy and marine corps, PEPs produced "pain and temporary paralysis" in tests on animals. This appears to be the result of an electromagnetic pulse produced by the expanding plasma which triggers impulses in nerve cells.

The new study, which runs until July and will be carried out with researchers at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, aims to optimise this effect. The idea is to work out how to generate a pulse which triggers pain neurons without damaging tissue.

The contract, heavily censored before release, asks researchers to look for "optimal pulse parameters to evoke peak nociceptor activation" - in other words, cause the maximum pain possible. Studies on cells grown in the lab will identify how much pain can be inflicted on someone before causing injury or death.

[robert]

Please hit the link then click on the drawing to the right.
Cheers
Robert


http://warfare.ru/?linkid=2545&catid=329

Plasma weapons

The Radio Instrument Building Research Institute under the supervision of Academician A. Avramenko developed a plasma weapon capable of killing any target at altitudes of up to 50 kilometers. Engineers and scientists of the institute in cooperation with the National Research Institute of Experimental Physics (Arzamas-16), Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute, and Central Machine Building Research Institute prepared a concept of the international experiment Doverie (Trust) for testing of the Russian plasma weapon at the American ABM testing ground in the Pacific Ocean together with the US. The cost of the experiment was estimated at $300 million. According to Academician Avramenko, the plasma antimissile weapon would not only cost tens times less than the American SDI, but would also be much simpler in development and operation. The offered joint project could save expenditures on development of its own plasma weapon for the US. The plasmoid based on the energy of ground super-high frequency generators or laser (optical) generators creates an ionized territory in the trajectory of a warhead and in front of it, and completely disrupts the aerodynamics of the object's flight, after which a target leaves its trajectory and is ruined by monstrous overloads. The killing effect is delivered to the target at the speed of light. [..]

For practical purposes plasma weapons have already been created in Russia. Their action is based on focusing beams of electromagnetic energy produced by laser or microwave radiation into the upper layers of the atmosphere. These beams would be able to defeat any target flying at supersonic or near-sonic speeds in the near future. A cloud of highly ionized air arises at the focus of the laser or microwave rays, at an altitude of up to 50 kilometers. Upon entering it, any object--a missile, an airplane, is deflected from its trajectory and disintegrates in response to the fantastic overloads arising due to the abrupt pressure difference between the surface and interior of the flying body. What is fundamental in this case is that the energy aimed by the terrestrial components of the plasma weapon--lasers and antennas--is concentrated not at the target itself but a little ahead of it. Rather than "incinerating" the missile or airplane, it "bumps" it out of trajectory.


The press reported in very considerable detail on the April 1993 meeting of the presidents of the USA and Russia in Vancouver. But one thing remains not entirely clear: Had Boris Yeltsin proposed to his American friend the idea of carrying out the major experiment "Doveriye" ("Trust") in the vicinity of Kwajelein Atoll, initiating a joint effort to create a global antimissile defense system. It was not until summer of that year that 21ST CENTURY SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, the well-informed journal of the American military-industrial complex, finally informed us that there had in fact been a conversation on this topic between the presidents. What did the politicians talk about? What kind of experiment is this?


Academician Ramiliy Avramenko, the chief designer of the Scientific Research Institute of Radio Instrument Making and the scientific director of the efforts to create plasma weapons in Russia, feels his brainchild--the plasmoid--to be invulnerable. Besides that, in his opinion plasma ABM weapons will not only cost several orders of magnitude less than SDI, but will also be many times simpler to create and control.

A plasmoid has a dual purpose. Such a unit can be used to "patch" ozone holes in the atmosphere, and to knock space garbage out of orbit.

According to dependable information our scientific proving ground has already conducted tests in which a projectile flying through plasma discharges was deflected from its normal trajectory and self-destructed.

Tests on a Russian plasma weapon run jointly with the USA against real targets--ballistic missiles and supersonic airplanes--were initiated by Russia's most prominent scientists--Nobel Prize recipient and creator of lasers Academician Aleksandr Prokhorov, Russian Academy of Sciences President Yuriy Osipov, and plasma researcher Academician Andrey Gaponov-Grekhov. That is the "Trust" experiment. Scientists from the All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Experimental Physics at Arzamas-16, the Central Institute of Aerohydrodynamics, the Central Scientific Research Institute of Machine Building in Kaliningrad, in the Moscow vicinity, and the Scientific Research Institute of Radio Instrument Making took part in its development.

Russia would be able to deliver components of the plasma weapon to the USA's ABM test range in the Pacific: microwave generators and a few tens of thousands of phased arrays. The United States would supply its electronics and computers, in which it has the lead. The missiles could be launched both from our country and from American missile test ranges.

[Observer]

Very intriguing stuff and some of the effects that our witnesses reported may fit in with these weapons, however, was this technology around in 1980?
Obs

[John Burroughs]

Trust me when i tell you they were working on it. Look at what the marconi company was working on. Plus it sounds like the russian might have been ahead of us!!!!

[robert]

1993 Apparently so the Boffins must have been at it well before to have Yeltsin announce it then. Project Trust. Why would the Russians and the US be keen to share technology at that stage and why particularly share that type of technology?

Obs just click on that link above the the Plasma Weapon Heading.

The drawing has a couple of ground stations. One looks like a small pyramid shape. If you put the cursor over the mouse it gets bigger.
(As the actress said to the Bishop)

Robert

[Observer]

Robert
Good stuff, i have seen this before, also the 747 fitted with the laser gun featured in a Disc Sci program and the entire cargo area of the 747 was full of the equipment needed to make it work.
So was the Pyramid shaped object in the forest a 'ground' station for a similar system? More to the pont, was it parachuted there by the Russians, but what from?
Obs

[robert]

Think that drawing is of a Russian site and set up but do you notice how the Warship is being used offshore as well.

Just imagine that base as Rendlesham and the ship off the coast of Orfordness!

Robert