RENDLESHAM CONFERENCE 2011

[puddlepirate]

Let me make one thing absolutely clear. I am not criticising the conference organisers. They did a good job and a charity benefitted from their efforts. What I am criticising is the event content and the fact that despite the pre-event build up, not a single new fact was revealed. Even the contentious binary codes could not be revealed at the event. As for the civilian witnesses, I have no idea who they spoke to in private but I was there and I saw with my own eyes that they tried to speak but were either cut short or simply not listened to so were unable to speak in public at any length about what they saw or experienced. Certainly several from the audience asked questions of the those on the stage but those questions were simply covering old ground. There were four people who had something very interesting to say - the guy who was stopped on the public highway by a road block manned by USAF personnel; the woman who mentioned seeing strange lights near the bases; the guy who commented on parts of the forest being sealed off and another guy who was ex-RAF and on duty in the radar ops room at RAF Neatishead on the nights in question. Nothing that any of these four said raised any interest from those on the stage. Their testimony was simly brushed aside and treated as irrelevant.

[John Burroughs]

Let me make one thing absolutely clear. I am not criticising the conference organisers. They did a good job and a charity benefitted from their efforts. What I am criticising is the event content and the fact that despite the pre-event build up, not a single new fact was revealed. Even the contentious binary codes could not be revealed at the event. As for the civilian witnesses, I have no idea who they spoke to in private but I was there and I saw with my own eyes that they tried to speak but were either cut short or simply not listened to so were unable to speak in public at any length about what they saw or experienced. Certainly several from the audience asked questions of the those on the stage but those questions were simply covering old ground. There were four people who had something very interesting to say - the guy who was stopped on the public highway by a road block manned by USAF personnel; the woman who mentioned seeing strange lights near the bases; the guy who commented on parts of the forest being sealed off and another guy who was ex-RAF and on duty in the radar ops room at RAF Neatishead on the nights in question. Nothing that any of these four said raised any interest from those on the stage. Their testimony was simly brushed aside and treated as irrelevant.

H mm So you can read minds Puddlepirate! The conference ran until almost to midnight it was suppose to end at 9:00 I believe everybody was allowed to speak and speak freely! What would you have liked me to do pee my pants in front of everybody or jumped up and down and said see see I told you so. Why if you felt they were not being listened to or what they had to say needed clarifying did you not speak up? The conference and the talk at the east gate is posted for all to see show us where Jim or I cut anybody else off! Everybody was allowed to say what they had to say in a orderly fashion! How come you didn't say one word or ask one question? I believe you said you also went out into the Forrest after ward's H mm. Please show me who was cut off and why if you felt things were going so badly not a whimper was said from you about anything until after you got home and could take pot shots at us behind your computer!!!

[puddlepirate]

JB - How come you didn't say one word or ask one question?

Why should I when all that was being said was the same old stuff that has been said a thousand times before and covered many times on this forum? I was hoping for something new. Some new revelation about your excursion into the forest. Most of all, and probably the only reason I attended, I was expecting a walk around the forest where you and Penniston were going to point out the various landing sites. I was also very keen to see the beam from the lighthouse sweeping through the trees. I spoke to Larry Warren a couple of times and hung around at east gate until around 0215. When it became obvious that there was not going to be a tour of the landing sites (apparently because this had been filmed the previous day) I left, as did many others.

I arrived in the hall quite early, before the event started and had a very brief chat with LW. I met him again later, in the east gate service road and at the T junction. I sat in the hall for over 5 hours until the event closed at around 2320 then headed off to the forest. I saw the ex-RAF guy have a go at someone down towards the front who he felt was insulting service personnel. I listened as the guy who was stopped at the road block started to tell his story but nobody on the stage seemed at all interested in what he had to say. Ditto the other three that I mentioned. The ex-policeman sitting behind me was very critical of the behaviour of USAF personnel when off base. The lady sat next to me almost fell asleep with boredom.....

When standing at the back of the crowd at east gate I was even asked by a female member of the History Channel production crew if I thought it was an alien or military event. When I said it was military she asked if I'd like to go on camera and answer some questions. I declined because unlike some, I can live quite happily without fiteen minutes of fame and much prefer to go about my research being the man in grey that nobody notices but who listens to everything.

[John Burroughs]

JB - How come you didn't say one word or ask one question?

Why should I when all that was being said was the same old stuff that has been said a thousand times before and covered many times on this forum? I was hoping for something new. Some new revelation about your excursion into the forest. Most of all, and probably the only reason I attended, I was expecting a walk around the forest where you and Penniston were going to point out the various landing sites. I was also very keen to see the beam from the lighthouse sweeping through the trees. I spoke to Larry Warren a couple of times and hung around at east gate until around 0215. When it became obvious that there was not going to be a tour of the landing sites (apparently because this had been filmed the previous day) I left, as did many others.

I arrived in the hall quite early, before the event started and had a very brief chat with LW. I met him again later, in the east gate service road and at the T junction. I sat in the hall for over 5 hours until the event closed at around 2320 then headed off to the forest. I saw the ex-RAF guy have a go at someone down towards the front who he felt was insulting service personnel. I listened as the guy who was stopped at the road block started to tell his story but nobody on the stage seemed at all interested in what he had to say. Ditto the other three that I mentioned. The ex-policeman sitting behind me was very critical of the behaviour of USAF personnel when off base. The lady sat next to me almost fell asleep with boredom.....

When standing at the back of the crowd at east gate I was even asked by a female member of the History Channel production crew if I thought it was an alien or military event. When I said it was military she asked if I'd like to go on camera and answer some questions. I declined because unlike some, I can live quite happily without fiteen minutes of fame and much prefer to go about my research being the man in grey that nobody notices but who listens to everything.

Yawn- It was late very cold and the weather at that point was foggy and was not safe to take that many people into the Forrest. Anybody was free on there own at that pointe to go out there for themselves and take a look! Plus again why did you not bring that up at the conference. Not one question asked! I know the man in Grey!! Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted.
Albert Einstein

[puddlepirate]

JB - It was late very cold and the weather at that point was foggy and was not safe to take that many people into the Forrest. Anybody was free on there own at that pointe to go out there for themselves and take a look! Plus again why did you not bring that up at the conference

er, the information in given out in the hall was that the tour of the forest was going to take place and that's why most people went to east gate! How the bloody hell would we - the audience - know where YOUR landing sites were if YOU weren't there to tell us. Jeez and to think you clowns were guarding nuclear weapons. Gawd help us.

[John Burroughs]

It was late very cold and the weather at that point was foggy and was not safe to take that many people into the Forrest. Anybody was free on there own at that pointe to go out there for themselves and take a look! Plus again why did you not bring that up at the conference, the information in given out in the hall was that the tour of the forest was going to take place and that's why most people went to east gate!

How the bloody hell would we - the audience - know where YOUR landing sites were if YOU weren't there to tell us. Jeez and to think you clowns were guarding nuclear weapons. Gawd help us.

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
Albert Einstein

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

Well lets see we did not give everybody a chance to say what they had to say but the conference ran over 2.5 hours. We got out there after midnight and it was foggy and hard to see. It was also very Icey and hard to get around. There were over 150 people there so under those conditions it was not safe to take them out there. When we explained that nobody tried to hang us or keep us from leaving! Why again do you not speak up I would have been happy to grab a hold of your hand and take you out into the Forrest . I know the men in grey!

[puddlepirate]

And since you like quotations so much, perhaps this gives you the answer you seek....

"Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room."
Winston Churchill

[John Burroughs]

And since you like quotations so much, perhaps this gives you the answer you seek....

"Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room."
Winston Churchill

So are you the monkey? No its the man in Grey!! Was there not a movie about that! No I believe that was called the Men in Black!

Good old Winston glad you brought him up again. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill

[John Burroughs]

Or how about this one. A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
Winston Churchill
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.
Winston Churchill
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.
Winston Churchill
Keep it coming old man! I have all night!

[John Burroughs]

Hi Marantz

I wasn't there nor have I ever served in the USAF so I can only give a personal opinion based on my impression of LW after meeting him at the event on the 28th. He came across to me as an OK, honest bloke who has never changed his story so I have absolutely no reason to doubt his word. He says he was there and I believe him.

We're off to see the Wizard, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.
You'll find he is a whiz of a Wiz! If ever a Wiz! there was.
If ever oh ever a Wiz! there was The Wizard of Oz is one because,
Because, because, because, because, because.
Because of the wonderful things he does.
We're off to see the Wizard. The Wonderful Wizard of Oz

Follow the Yellow Brick Road. Follow the Yellow Brick Road.
Follow, follow, follow, follow,
Follow the Yellow Brick Road.
Follow the Yellow Brick, Follow the Yellow Brick,
Follow the Yellow Brick Road.

[John Burroughs]

Let me make one thing absolutely clear. I am not criticising the conference organisers. They did a good job and a charity benefitted from their efforts. What I am criticising is the event content and the fact that despite the pre-event build up, not a single new fact was revealed. Even the contentious binary codes could not be revealed at the event. As for the civilian witnesses, I have no idea who they spoke to in private but I was there and I saw with my own eyes that they tried to speak but were either cut short or simply not listened to so were unable to speak in public at any length about what they saw or experienced. Certainly several from the audience asked questions of the those on the stage but those questions were simply covering old ground. There were four people who had something very interesting to say - the guy who was stopped on the public highway by a road block manned by USAF personnel; the woman who mentioned seeing strange lights near the bases; the guy who commented on parts of the forest being sealed off and another guy who was ex-RAF and on duty in the radar ops room at RAF Neatishead on the nights in question. Nothing that any of these four said raised any interest from those on the stage. Their testimony was simly brushed aside and treated as irrelevant.

Eating words has never given me indigestion.
Winston Churchill

[John Burroughs]

puddlepirate -JB - It was late very cold and the weather at that point was foggy and was not safe to take that many people into the Forrest. Anybody was free on there own at that pointe to go out there for themselves and take a look! Plus again why did you not bring that up at the conference er, the information in given out in the hall was that the tour of the forest was going to take place and that's why most people went to east gate! How the bloody hell would we - the audience - know where YOUR landing sites were if YOU weren't there to tell us. Jeez and to think you clowns were guarding nuclear weapons. Gawd help us.

For my part, I consider that it will be found much better by all parties to leave the past to history, especially as I propose to write that history myself.
Winston Churchill

[John Burroughs]

Puddlepirate said "I can live quite happily without fiteen minutes of fame and much prefer to go about my research being the man in grey that nobody notices but who listens to everything". Puddlepirate is this who you really are?

G. Wells's The Time Machine as serialized in the New Review. It was cut from the book but later published on its own as a short story, "The Grey Man.

[Deep Purple]

Admin I suspect its all part of the disinformation campaign. I do wonder whether on occassions the forum has touched some " nerves" and what we are seeing is a disinformation campaign desigend to collapse the fourm in dissarray.
The fact that they are still trying means there is something behind it . But there are many members, some of which I suspect are involved in the cover up. They tend to cause confusion.
There are some straight members who I dont think are involved Puddlepirate for one and IanR for another example.
Its strange how just after the RFI conference lots of new members turn up, with all sorts to say. Who is pulling their strings.
JB asked to confirm he is not part of the disinformation, just doesnt reply , efffectively " no comment" if you were interviewing some one under caution. What does that tell you?

[John Burroughs]

Admin I suspect its all part of the disinformation campaign. I do wonder whether on occassions the forum has touched some " nerves" and what we are seeing is a disinformation campaign desigend to collapse the fourm in dissarray.
The fact that they are still trying means there is something behind it . But there are many members, some of which I suspect are involved in the cover up. They tend to cause confusion.
There are some straight members who I dont think are involved Puddlepirate for one and IanR for another example.
Its strange how just after the RFI conference lots of new members turn up, with all sorts to say. Who is pulling their strings.
JB asked to confirm he is not part of the disinformation, just doesnt reply , efffectively " no comment" if you were interviewing some one under caution. What does that tell you?

Deep Purple I believed I took the time yesterday to answer your questions and several other people also. Sorry you missed that! Its funny you don't like the quotes I have put on but its OK for others to say what ever they want under the heading they are bright people! Now everybody is running home to momma to do something about it! The forum is in disarray but not from a disinformation campaign.

Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.
Winston Churchill

Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.
Winston Churchill