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[redsocks]

Hi Admin,

I wish you would have read my PM to you before you saw that lol

Redsocks

[redsocks]

redsock
More time for what? The people making money are the one who wrote the books. You make it sound like you know what happened will guess what I was there and to this day I cannot tell you what it was except to say it was not the light house. Part of the problem is that this happened in England and most of the people involved live in the states. I would love to get everybody together in England it would be very interesting to see who would show up.

Hi JB,

Nothings inpossible,the local newspaper,local radio even TV still talk about the Rendlesham mystery from time to time,I'm sure they would run a feature if you put another angle on the mystery' weither it be ARRS or your interest in what went on at Orford Ness' all this mystery needs is some more information they would provide the outlet.
Redsocks

[John Burroughs]

Redsock
Great get me so more information on the Orford Ness military tie in. I always had a feeling it could have been the military but found it hard to beleive because i could not beleive we had the technology to do what I saw happen. But over the years I saw allot of stuff in the different places I went with the military that started to make me beleive it was more than possible.

[Observer]

There is some good web sites [use google] about Orfordness and what was going on there. Check out atomic weapon component testing
and Cobra Mist.
Perhaps some body can supply the web sites for John

Observer

[John Burroughs]

One more thing I do have some pretty strong feelings about what happened but will not say without more evidance. As soon as you put somthing down in print allot of people like to jump all over you. As far as Halt goes where has he stated he has more to offer? If indeed he has I hope it is the tape of the radio tranmission from the SP net that was recorded the 3rd night at the command post which would blow this wide open. Why would the AF go to so much trouble if it was the Apollo therory? why would the Air Force not say that was what it was it would sure kill Bentwaters once and for all. Warren pushed for the story to come out not us. The military released the memo why. They even told CNN when they were doing there piece on it they stood by the Halt memo Why? They always try and come up with somthing! The lights in Phoenis they said was military craft and flares it took them forever but that what they said it was. We just had a incident in Texas at first they said no military craft in the area but a few days later they said it was. The British government even stated they had nothing on it for years but the late Lord Hill Norton and Georgina Bruni proved that wrong. General Williams came over to England while Georgina Bruni was writeing her book to find out what she had. Then there is the missing documents that Halt stated was no big deal. Plus the Wing history for Bentwaters is kept at Maxwell Air Force Base I was TDY and went to look at it. Guess what Month was missing DEC 1980 Why? The only person who has ever stated it was ailiens was Warren. Penniston always stated it was some kind of object or craft not ailiens. Halt lights in the sky. I beleive the British and American goverments are hideing somthing. Warren once said that his records were at the NSA well Halt stated that not only his were but that all of ours were! There is allot more to this and I still beleive it can be uncovered.

[redsocks]

JB,

I believe 100% that you and Penniston saw something usual that night,we''ve all see the documentarys on tv and it struck me watching them how sincere you and Penniston were,I'm not disputing that at all but I am just trying to eliminate some stuff.Can we explore this bit by bit starting with the apollo capsule used by the 67th ARRS for search and rescue.What are your thoughts on this?did you see this? it does fit the sketches,beacon lights on top,sits on 3 legs(3 indentations) and i'm sure Penniston once remarked that it had the surface appearance of an aircraft,he's also described the surface totally differently in another statement.Can somebody put a photo up of the actual 67th ARRS capsule that is now housed at the USAF museum,I dont know how you do that here.Can you give your thoughts on this picture John.Interesting that you have another theory that would indeed interest the press etc here and also interest us,for Orford Ness check out some of the websites on a google search its a pretty interesting place they even do tours there,as for it being part on the Rendlesham incident we have virtually eliminated this cos the dates dont tie in but its still possible some weird stuff was going on there in 1980 and if you look on a map from Orford Ness to the Woodbridge airfield its virtually a straight line perfect for a test flight that went wrong........

Redsocks

[John Burroughs]

Nothing was flying that night the runway was shut down and there was not even any maintance people working it was Christmas night . Here why and the only way you will beleive this is if you feel I am telling the truth. First I was on a Law Enforcment patrol which covered that end of the base. The air traffic control tower was not manned there was only a weather person on duty had just been up in the tower area before the incident had happened Ie that was one of my checks. The 67th area was shut down nobody on dutythere had not been anybody comming through the main gate heading out to the air field all night . If your looking at a therory look at the star wars end was there any kind of British involvement in that? If somebody will post a picture I will take a look at it but I would have know about any kind of aircraft activity going on at our base that night.

[Deep Purple]

Hi John,
Great to have you on this site.
Its nice to be able to talk to someone who was actually there.
Your posts seems to indicate you beleive the authorities are hiding something, which I beleive many forum members do as well.
Could what you saw be perhaps some sort of test of a non lethal weapon
tried out on the ground patrol to see what happened. I beleive certain high voltage fields can cause hallucinations, but I'm not and expert on this field, and may disrupt other electrical equipment. I'm trying to think outside the box !
Another question for you, where most of the security patrols and personnel that saw the event familar with the base at night and used to walking around it, I suspect they were.
Finally whats the temp like in Phoenix? its 4c here in the UK, but the sun shined today and it didnt rain

[Observer]

Hi deep purple

Just in case JB replies i thought i would jump in first.
I thought some time ago that this was the case, a non lethal but debiitating weapon that could be used on the enemies troops. Not only troops but for riot control which points to a possible British experiment.
I also thought that the lights seen on the object were to entice people to it so they could test the response. Some witnesses did complain of a very electrostatic atmosphere which made their hair stand up and of feeling wierd.
The device could be some sort of giant ioniser that emmits these charged electrons. The balls of light seen leaving the object could be highly charged plasma balls which ended up floating in the sky. This could have been a test but had to be done when flying was stopped. No good doing it in day light, they wouldn't see the lights.
Like you i am thinking out side the box.
Check out the internet for such devices.

My only querie with this is why in Rendlesham Forest?

Observer

[Observer]

Not yet but will, start digging into this theory using the internet for tech articles on these devices.

Observer

[John Burroughs]

Could be somthing to that but also what if they were also testing star wars, There was a report of navy ships in the area. Also they could use the light house beam to throw off different effects. When I was at a base in New Mexico they were testing star wars using airplanes 747 to shot beams down to station in the desert in looked a little like what I saw at Bentwaters.

[John Burroughs]

Deep Purple
It was sunny high around 70. But tommorow it suppose to rain.

[redsocks]

Thanks John for your info about the base closure the night of the incident it pretty much wipes out the capsule theory,but could somebody paste the capsule pic on here so we can get John to totally eliminate it,I think this is really important.Apparently the MOD's involvement with Orford Ness was right up to 1985 and according to my step father the National trust got it then,he says is was still very top secret right up to 85.I like the stars wars experiments idea the time would fit in well and again the beam of lights to guide missiles also fit well with what was seen and if the US brit goverment were going to do there testing here in the UK it would be controlled from Orford i'm sure of that.Lets look at the facts ,Top secret mod base close by(Orford),US involvement,star wars experiments of that time,testing at (xmas) when quiet.Dont ya get the feeling we are so on the right track here?
Redsocks

[Deep Purple]

THanks JB and every one for repsonses, thinking aloud and outside the box could what have happened be a mutiple test of weapons,
First was a elctro magnetic device designed to be used on ground troops to cause confusion, hallucinations, fear etc.
The second was a test of Star Wars type technology. By all accounts the beam hit he weapons facility, was this some test of a beam weapon and they were just trying to see whether or not they could accurately site it without powering it up to destructive capability?
If you were going to attack a front line Soviet base/ weapons facility this would be quite a good tactic, base troops are shocked frightened by unknown device, wepons facilities destroyed , but base capable of being used by NATO forces shortly after srtike as it has not suffered NBC attack.
Its a thought, but as ever, you are all welcome to shoot be down in flames
does provoke discussion however.
JB -- bright and sunny here today 9c, spring is just round the corner

[John Burroughs]

Could be. But I can't look at it from that end. People who lived around there or were staioned with the military British forces could help in letting you know if anything like that was going on. The Raf radar site has a history of weapons development plus that whole area to include underground facilities was involved in weapons work was it not?

[John Burroughs]

Also it is raining and cool today.

[Deep Purple]

Thanks for reply,
Indications are susbsequently that there were no underground facilities on the base, we have discussed this at some length before. However these discussions may not be correct, did you have any knowledge of the underground facilites or how did you know about them. Was this just rumour or actual knowledge.
Certainly something strange happened to you guys.
If it was a test of a non lethal weapon and Star Wars technology it can only be the US testing it on their service personel. ( Unless the Soviets were fooling around)
If the UK wanted to test non lethal weapons at the time I suspect they would have tried out devices in Norhern Ireland.

[ghaynes]

.....but could somebody paste the capsule pic on here so we can get John to totally eliminate it... Redsocks

See this thread for a pic of the capsule at Woodbridge:
http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/fo ... c&start=60
Regards.

Graham

[John Burroughs]

I took a look and that is not what I saw.

[Observer]

John

Can you try describing the object again.. Penniston said it looked like a pyramid and was warm to the touch. It was very cold that night which suggests that this object had some sort of power source.

Observer.