The Halt Tape - Humming Sound - What is that noise?

[schooner]

On Georgina Bruni's transcript of the Halt tape she refers to a humming sound.

None of the witnesses seem to notice or make comment about it. They seem interested in white streaks on the trees near the alleged landing site.

Does anyone know whether this humming noise could be attributted to interference from the Geiger Counter that Sgt Nevilles was using?

Schooner

[Observer]

Hi Schooner

I cannot say that i have heard much about the humming sound.
I suspect that it may be similar to the humming sound you get near over head power lines in damp weather. I don't think the Radiac meter was the source of the humming. If what evidence i have put together is right,the humming sound could well be have been emmitted from the UFO due to an electromagnetic field around it.
If this is the case, it could point us in the direction as to the type of power source the UFO was using, man made or otherwise?

Observer

[Observer]

Hi
Just a few points about gieger counters or radiac survey meters which they are more often referred to these days.
The main component of these meters is an ionisation chamber. Ion atoms lay dorment or neutral in the chamber untill they are 'bombarded' by gamma rays. These rays excite the ions and they start to leak to earth. It is the rate of leakage that dictates the dose reading. The survey meter takes pulse readings of this earthing process and it is the amount of pulses that gives the dose rate in Roentgens per hour. The Gieger counters 'clicks' is just a small amplifier and speaker built into the unit so researchers in the field can hear activation.

For the more technical amongst you, there are 3 main types of radiation emmitted from a radioactive source such as uranium. plutonium etc.
Gamma, Beta and Alpha. Beta and Alpha rays can not pass through solid objects. They cannot pass through unbroken skin. They are though a hazzard if allowed to bombard an open wound or are ingested. They also have only a few feet of travel before they become harmless. Gamma rays can pass through several feet of concrete or steel and only lead (which is dead uranium) can stop them. The reasons are too complicated to go into here. Very high doses can travel several hundred feet in free air

From the physics of this device i cannot see how any hum can be produced by such an inaminate device.

Observer

[schooner]

Very enlightening Observer. Thank You.

Does anyone have a copy of the recording or know where to get one.

May be someone working within the recording industry could give an opinion on the sound. Or has this been checked out?

Schooner

[Observer]

Hi Schooner
Just a thought, There are several electric powered UAV's in the militay both British and American and i have heard and seen one fly over head at about 1000 ft. It had a definate humming sound. It made me look up to see what it was.
Electric powered model air planes also hum and can be heard quite well for up to 1/4 mile distance depending on the wind direction. I have also seen a radio controlled flying saucer of about 2m diameter, electric powered and it can hover and fly. This was a 'hoax' model done for fun and later used in a movie. It humms like mad when in flight, it also had various coloured lights around its perimeter. It seems the model boys get it right before the real plane makers do!!
I am not that much of a sceptic over Rendlesham, but i have often wondered if we are looking at an electric powered UAV with hover capability? They are already out there.

Observer

[schooner]

Thanks Admin for pointing out the links.

Observer, I have thought similar but its the speed and direction changes that really let down this theory.

Theres enough information available in the public domain to conclude that the USAF officers were always playing pranks on each other.

I was thinking how easy it would be for say the unknown officer who allegedly rented the middle house at Capel Green to radio control a device sufficiently good enough to fool the patrols. An helper would be needed to give additional directions and positions of the patrol.

The statements from the officers involved contradict this theory, citing shape, size, speeds, directions, and positions that taken together, could not have been replicated by an electric model. Also given the closeness to the object the officers would not be fooled for long.

I did see the big UFO hoax using the battery powered UFO Model and it looked good from a far. However it didnt manouevre very well and lacked air speed.

Regards

Schooner

[Observer]

Hi Schooner
Yes you are right concerning the UFO's unconventional flight movements.
There is probably nothing man made that could do what was witnessed.

The hoax UFO you saw (TV Doc) was a helium filled balloon in the shape of a saucer with electric ducted fans on its parimeter to drive it.
It was very unconvincing.

Thinking back, Radio control equipment in the 70's & 80's was no where nere as sophisticated as it is today. Today it is all digital and computerised.

I was just looking at all angles concerning Rendlesham and we must keep doing that.
Most evidence does point to a para normal incident that has yet to be explained.
You are also right concerning the practical jokes that US servicement were and are famous for carrying out on each other.
They even did a few on us RAF guys who were stationed at RAF Wattisham (Lightnings). The RAF got there own back in one way or another.
The Christmas break would have been a time of high jinks and let your hair down, so practical jokes could have been going on at all levels.

Observer

[mitch]

On Georgina Bruni's transcript of the Halt tape she refers to a humming sound.

None of the witnesses seem to notice or make comment about it. They seem interested in white streaks on the trees near the alleged landing site.

Does anyone know whether this humming noise could be attributted to interference from the Geiger Counter that Sgt Nevilles was using?

Schooner

It possibly could be a recorded-over noise to cover up any controversial discussion

[Observer]

Hi Mitch

You have made a good point re the recorded humming noise.
Was the humming noise recorded at the time or was it introduced at a later stage?

My own theory is, it was recorded at the time due to the area being high in electrostatic charge. If you have ever been near a large electricity sub station or under big power lines, you will hear a definate hum. This is often much louder in wet or damp conditions. It is electrostatic being given off into the surrounding area. This may affect a radiac meter's accuracy when taking readings of radiation. However, most geiger counters are shielded from this type of interference.

Col Halt would have been just as excited and nervous as all the other airmen at the scene and he would have been operating his recorder as best he could in the heat of the moment so to speak.

I also think that this UFO if that's what it was, was giving off high levels of electrostatic in the vicinity and this may have been the cause of the humming sound on Col Halt's tape. Extranious RF can also cause a tape to hum on play back. I found this out when my mobile rang while it was sat next to my tape recorder.

Observer

[mitch]

Hello Mitch,
It's nice to see you posting here.

That is a very good observation Mitch, because all you can hear is complete silence during this point (apart from the humming).

Why did not Lt. Colonel Halt stop the tape as he had been doing every single other time during the Incident? He said in an interview that he only pressed record while something important was happening, or they were discussing something - so why not this time? Did he forget?

I don't know. I do know this is a practice. It's easier for governments to discredit a noise rather than silence.

[mitch]

Hi Mitch

You have made a good point re the recorded humming noise.
Was the humming noise recorded at the time or was it introduced at a later stage?

My own theory is, it was recorded at the time due to the area being high in electrostatic charge. If you have ever been near a large electricity sub station or under big power lines, you will hear a definate hum. This is often much louder in wet or damp conditions. It is electrostatic being given off into the surrounding area. This may affect a radiac meter's accuracy when taking readings of radiation. However, most geiger counters are shielded from this type of interference.

Col Halt would have been just as excited and nervous as all the other airmen at the scene and he would have been operating his recorder as best he could in the heat of the moment so to speak.

I also think that this UFO if that's what it was, was giving off high levels of electrostatic in the vicinity and this may have been the cause of the humming sound on Col Halt's tape. Extranious RF can also cause a tape to hum on play back. I found this out when my mobile rang while it was sat next to my tape recorder.

Observer

I don't know. I believe the original was tampered to cover possible delicate information. I don't think your theory is correct, but can happen. That would have been the case throughout the whole tape, would it not?

[mitch]

Hi Schooner
Yes you are right concerning the UFO's unconventional flight movements.
There is probably nothing man made that could do what was witnessed.

The hoax UFO you saw (TV Doc) was a helium filled balloon in the shape of a saucer with electric ducted fans on its parimeter to drive it.
It was very unconvincing.

Thinking back, Radio control equipment in the 70's & 80's was no where nere as sophisticated as it is today. Today it is all digital and computerised.

I was just looking at all angles concerning Rendlesham and we must keep doing that.
Most evidence does point to a para normal incident that has yet to be explained.
You are also right concerning the practical jokes that US servicement were and are famous for carrying out on each other.
They even did a few on us RAF guys who were stationed at RAF Wattisham (Lightnings). The RAF got there own back in one way or another.
The Christmas break would have been a time of high jinks and let your hair down, so practical jokes could have been going on at all levels.

Observer

To say the possiblity of a U.S. joke is a joke. It would have taken a Hollywood special effects stage to pull that off! A joke on that level couldn't have been hidden -- too many people involved. The U.K. media would have published a mockery to put the story to rest. The U.S. then would have published an apology statement along with the culprit's punishment to ease U.K. citizen opinion. This was a VERY political incident. Also as a Disaster Prepardness member at Bentwaters/Woodbridge, I know it was not the place for jokes.

[schooner]

Hi Mitch
Thanks for your input.

Dismissing the simple and obvious possible causes of this incident is a good way of getting to the real facts. If you can't dismiss them by evidence or fact then they stay on the table.

Gergina Bruni did suggest that officers did play jokes on one another. When would be the best time for this to be done. I would suggest during the night/early morning and especially during the Christmas holidays - many officers would be on leave. All you would need is an unusual sighting in a remote place close to the base to start an immediate response. Airforce procedures did the rest.

From my understanding Jim Penniston is the only officer to go on record and state what he saw and touched on one of the nights. John Burroughs saw lights heading towards Capel Green. Halt and his team saw lights in the woods and sky and some evidence of tree damage/landing site. Halt had no option but to report the matter formally being the highest ranking officer involved at the site.

This is the historical reported information and is lacking in substance. Now why would that be so?

My own belief is that the Senior Rankings of both the US and UK were prepared for this event - testing some sort of concept - something went wrong. Contingency plans were swung into action and the incident was from then on managed by disinformation.

Thats my theory no proof but based on what I have read 3rd hand and what I have seen with my own eyes.

One other point, the public are driven by this incident because of what they have been told - it was an extraordinary event - but may be we should be thinking wider 25 years on and ask whos now driving this incident?

Schooner

[Mitch]

Hi Mitch
Thanks for your input.

Dismissing the simple and obvious possible causes of this incident is a good way of getting to the real facts. If you can't dismiss them by evidence or fact then they stay on the table.

Gergina Bruni did suggest that officers did play jokes on one another. When would be the best time for this to be done. I would suggest during the night/early morning and especially during the Christmas holidays - many officers would be on leave. All you would need is an unusual sighting in a remote place close to the base to start an immediate response. Airforce procedures did the rest.

From my understanding Jim Penniston is the only officer to go on record and state what he saw and touched on one of the nights. John Burroughs saw lights heading towards Capel Green. Halt and his team saw lights in the woods and sky and some evidence of tree damage/landing site. Halt had no option but to report the matter formally being the highest ranking officer involved at the site.

This is the historical reported information and is lacking in substance. Now why would that be so?

My own belief is that the Senior Rankings of both the US and UK were prepared for this event - testing some sort of concept - something went wrong. Contingency plans were swung into action and the incident was from then on managed by disinformation.

Thats my theory no proof but based on what I have read 3rd hand and what I have seen with my own eyes.

One other point, the public are driven by this incident because of what they have been told - it was an extraordinary event - but may be we should be thinking wider 25 years on and ask whos now driving this incident?

A joke is one thing, but on that level? We can agree to disagree on our theories. I close my discussion by saying I was at Bentwaters, worked at Disaster Preparedness with a security clearance, worked amongst people involved (including Lt Col Halt), lived in Tangham, personally knew the forestry commission staff. Nobody in the world can that except me. It was not a contingency.

[Observer]

Hi Schooner

Your theory holds some credibility because if it could have been an experiment that had gone wrong, This may explain why the nearby prison was allegedly put on evac standby. In other words the US/British 'authorities' suspected that there could be a malfunction during an experiment.

The worrying thing is, how much danger if thats what was feared by the authorities could the local population have been in?

Having said that, were the Police, Ambulance and Fire authorities given early notice. Was the local Royal Observer Corps (who were specialists in monitoring fall out and aircraft identification) put on stanby?.

If it was an experiment, why during the Christmas holoidays?

I feel that we won't get much further with the 'Halt tape' and i guess the noise dubbed on or not will be pretty hard to prove one way or another!

Lastly, this whole incident is so wrapped in mystery and possibly disinformation that the waters are getting pretty muddy.

Observer

[schooner]

Hi Mitch,

I hear what you are saying and I do not doubt your experiences and involvement at the base. You have the benefit of your experiences and interactions with base personnel. I don't and have to rely on what has been told to the press/media. From both angles this can only be good for the progress of this forum.

What I have deduced from all this information is that some of those involved know a lot more than they are telling. I have to ask why this is so (Col Halt in particular). Why would an officer take a tape recorder on site then cut out large sections of the event by switching the machine off and wiping out other parts? Simply, he's hiding something. What he is hiding only he knows!

This raises doubt in my mind and therefore I become sceptical of his accounts.

Theres an awful lot of missing information, assumption, opinion and inaccurate written information on the incident. Some of this is directly due to the actions and ommisions by base personnel. I do appreciate the enormous pressure that some have and are still going through and why they are not prepared to discuss the incident - this comment is not directed at those personnel.

To really get to the heart of the facts we have to remove the red herrings and in order to move on if thats what this forum is hear to do, then this may mean having to upset the apple cart every now and again.

In respect of your 'It was not a contingency' response I am not sure what you mean by this?

Regards

Schooner

Regards

Schooner

[schooner]

Hi Observer,

I am not thinking down a major incident with catastrophic consequences!

What if the concept was a cleaner alternative. Non of the witnesses suffered radiation/chemical or heat burns.

It would not need a major response other than what was available at the twin bases? Say the concept was launched out in the North Sea, if it crashed into the sea, no major response, just a naval recovery. I have read that there was a Navy presence nearby, probably some more disinformation but I will check it out.

Just in case the concept didnt make it and say 'crashed' in Orford or Alderton where would they need to store/place the consequences of the disaster securely?

Do you know what evacuation procedures were in place at Orford/Orfordness during the Bomb Shake tests.

Christmas would be a good time. Public Authorities have their specialist standby personnel available, I dare say the Military would do the same, the public would be in festive spirits and at that time in doors!

Regards

Schooner

[mitch]

Hi Mitch,

I hear what you are saying and I do not doubt your experiences and involvement at the base. You have the benefit of your experiences and interactions with base personnel. I don't and have to rely on what has been told to the press/media. From both angles this can only be good for the progress of this forum.

What I have deduced from all this information is that some of those involved know a lot more than they are telling. I have to ask why this is so (Col Halt in particular). Why would an officer take a tape recorder on site then cut out large sections of the event by switching the machine off and wiping out other parts? Simply, he's hiding something. What he is hiding only he knows!

This raises doubt in my mind and therefore I become sceptical of his accounts.

Theres an awful lot of missing information, assumption, opinion and inaccurate written information on the incident. Some of this is directly due to the actions and ommisions by base personnel. I do appreciate the enormous pressure that some have and are still going through and why they are not prepared to discuss the incident - this comment is not directed at those personnel.

To really get to the heart of the facts we have to remove the red herrings and in order to move on if thats what this forum is hear to do, then this may mean having to upset the apple cart every now and again.

In respect of your 'It was not a contingency' response I am not sure what you mean by this?

Regards

Schooner

Regards

Schooner

Those involved are probably still protecting an interest (only a guess). All commanders are pretty much the same -- factual demeanor, protective, and firm (yet fair). They have to be because they are responsible for so much. Officers don't get to commander level by having a careless past. Lt Col Halt fits the typical mold. Even when military people retire, habits and loyalties still remain. Halt says he clicked off/on to save tape for, what he thought, important facts. He ALWAYS was with his tape recorder to jot reminders to himself. If the tape was altered, I don't believe it was by him. I don't think he had anything to hide either so someone else may have made that decision for him. All he did was report what he saw. Lt Col Halt was one of the better commanders I knew in my 20 yrs in the AF. You mentioned the prison ready-evac. That may be (I hadn't heard that), but then why subject any danger to the unsuspecting, innocent public? I dismiss it. Tests are conducted either on base/post or in lonely, unpopulated areas to minimize any public curiosity.

[Observer]

Hi Schooner and Mitch

Thank's for your imput, you both make some good points and Mitch has first hand knowledge of the base and Lt Col Halt.

Schooner, to answer your question about the 'vibration' (centrifuge) tests conducted on Orfordness by the AWRE. The tests were on unarmed weapons. This meant that the weapons were incomplete meaning that the plutonium cor and activating isotope were nor installed. Some vibration tests were conducted with either one or the other but never together.

Most tests were carried out on the carcass of the weapon and its internal mechanism. My only thought on the aleged evac stanby by a local prison was in case one of the vibration tests caused a mini Chenobal? Having said that, why werern't the local population warned?

It may of course be nothing to do with the AWRE tests on Orfordness and it may also have nothing to do with Rendlesham? Who knows?

There are to my mind two possibilities concerning Rendlesham. One, it was man made and two, it was not. Evidence now needs to be collated for both scenarios and we need to see if one starts to lead the other.
Using the critical path method (like the Police do) is the only way. Hopefully, we may start to see some evidence that is more compelling for one of the theories.

Mitch, you are right, experiments that could yield danger to the public would be carried out on recognised military proving grounds or at some uninhabited area.

Tests or experiments with no danger to the public is another matter.

Observer

[Mitch]

Hi Schooner and Mitch

Thank's for your imput, you both make some good points and Mitch has first hand knowledge of the base and Lt Col Halt.

Schooner, to answer your question about the 'vibration' (centrifuge) tests conducted on Orfordness by the AWRE. The tests were on unarmed weapons. This meant that the weapons were incomplete meaning that the plutonium cor and activating isotope were nor installed. Some vibration tests were conducted with either one or the other but never together.

Most tests were carried out on the carcass of the weapon and its internal mechanism. My only thought on the aleged evac stanby by a local prison was in case one of the vibration tests caused a mini Chenobal? Having said that, why werern't the local population warned?

It may of course be nothing to do with the AWRE tests on Orfordness and it may also have nothing to do with Rendlesham? Who knows?

There are to my mind two possibilities concerning Rendlesham. One, it was man made and two, it was not. Evidence now needs to be collated for both scenarios and we need to see if one starts to lead the other.
Using the critical path method (like the Police do) is the only way. Hopefully, we may start to see some evidence that is more compelling for one of the theories.

Mitch, you are right, experiments that could yield danger to the public would be carried out on recognised military proving grounds or at some uninhabited area.

Tests or experiments with no danger to the public is another matter.

Observer: Correct. Safety and security is everything during testing. A "test" of this magnitude, this fantastic would require the utmost remote region possible. Even important bases as Bentwaters/Woodbridge would not qualifty as a test base because of their sensitive nature already and not draw any more attention.