[Part 1] Rendlesham explained? [Visitor Submitted Article]

[Wolf]

Just noticed the fact that the site that used to list all the Nasa capsules and there location is now unavailable. It was fine 2 weeks ago......

Type in nasa capsule raf woodbridge in google and it was the 2nd page returned.

If you look on the picture of the capsule from one of my earlier posts you can see the stand on the capsule. I cannot remember if there were 3 or 4 legs on the thing though. If there were 3 then that would open a can of worms.....

V/R

Wolf

[Observer]

The Apollo capsule theory is just one of several that i have heard about hence i wrote the theory for this forum.

Perhaps some thing far more serious happened than a caper with the Apollo capsule.

I think we can discount a crashed air craft as there was no debris or flattened trees not to mention fire.

Although i still think the Apollo theory is the front runner in this mystery we have to consider other senarios. One being that a nuclear weapon found its way off base and into the forest. No it didn't fall off an aircraft it was stolen by some dissafected airmen using a pickup truck. All hell broke loose and thats why the CIA and top brass tried to cover it up as the British Government would have gone ape if they found out. This gives more feasability to the aleged evac standby of Hollesley Bay Prison rather than a harmless Apollo capsule.
Before we all say impossible, remember the C-130 that was stolen from RAF Mildenhall by one of the ground maintainence crew and he flew it all on his own to the Bay of Biscay where he was shot down by USAF fighters based in Spain. He was also seriously dissafected.

So i think we should look at other senarios but keep the Apollo one on the front burner.
I have a couple more theories but i will only release them when i see fit.

Observer

[ghaynes]

The Apollo capsule theory is just one of several that i have heard about hence i wrote the theory for this forum.

Perhaps some thing far more serious happened than a caper with the Apollo capsule.

I think we can discount a crashed air craft as there was no debris or flattened trees not to mention fire.

Although i still think the Apollo theory is the front runner in this mystery we have to consider other senarios. One being that a nuclear weapon found its way off base and into the forest. No it didn't fall off an aircraft it was stolen by some dissafected airmen using a pickup truck. All hell broke loose and thats why the CIA and top brass tried to cover it up as the British Government would have gone ape if they found out. This gives more feasability to the aleged evac standby of Hollesley Bay Prison rather than a harmless Apollo capsule.
Before we all say impossible, remember the C-130 that was stolen from RAF Mildenhall by one of the ground maintainence crew and he flew it all on his own to the Bay of Biscay where he was shot down by USAF fighters based in Spain. He was also seriously dissafected.

So i think we should look at other senarios but keep the Apollo one on the front burner.
I have a couple more theories but i will only release them when i see fit.

Observer

I'd say it would have been far easier for one person (particularly a crew chief) to steal a C-130 than it would a nuclear weapon. Having seen the Weapon Storage Facility at Bentwaters, I'd go so far as to say it would be impossible for a 'lone' person to do this as the removal of such a weapon would involve several people and very strict security. Not only that, there were no nuclear weapons stored at Woodbridge....only Bentwaters. How would it have been carried from Bentwaters to Woodbridge and then off-loaded in Rendlesham Forest? You can also discount a nuclear weapon being inadvertantly dropped from an aircraft (an F-111 possibly?) as these were not 'routinely' carried for peace time ops at that time. Pretty sure that practice ceased after the B-47 incident at Lakenheath.
Watched a programme on the History Channel last night, about the UFO incident. If you watch the programme and try to fit in the Apollo capsule theory, it really does make a lot of sense.
Regards.

Graham

[Observer]

Hi Graham

I guess you are right concerning the theft of a nuclear weapon, it would have been vertually impossible and from Bentwaters not Woodbridge.

I saw the Britains Roswell program. Either they were all fooled or they are all covering up, this is the question?
Putting asside the Apollo theory for a moment, could this incident have been caused by man made science and i do not include stealth or any other secret aircraft?
Was RAF Bawdsey and/or Orfordness involved?
Were the Russians up to some thing? or was it the British?

Observer

[ghaynes]

Hi Graham

I guess you are right concerning the theft of a nuclear weapon, it would have been vertually impossible and from Bentwaters not Woodbridge.

I saw the Britains Roswell program. Either they were all fooled or they are all covering up, this is the question?
Putting asside the Apollo theory for a moment, could this incident have been caused by man made science and i do not include stealth or any other secret aircraft?
Was RAF Bawdsey and/or Orfordness involved?
Were the Russians up to some thing? or was it the British?

Observer

Spent some time (1984-1990) in the underground facility at Bawdsey during my Royal Air Force career. Bawdsey's role was as an Air Defence Installation (Radar and Bloodhound SAMs). The ops room was very similar to the one we've re-created in the Command Post at Bentwaters. To my knowledge there was nothing there that could have played a part in the Rendlesham events.
Regards.

Graham

[Observer]

Hi Graham

In the recent documentory Britains Roswell, Lt Col Halt stated that the 3 indentations in the forest floor were equally spaced and he gave the measurements on camera [i cannot remember what]. If these measurements tie up with the legs/feet on the Apollo training capsule [thats providing it had 3 legs/feet not 4], then i think we have cracked it or at least what the object was. Just how we find that out, i don't know.

If it was the capsule, we need to direct our investigation to the sequence of events and how they unravelled. I tried to explain this in my article, but i suspect it is far from accurate.

PS, i was at Wattisham for a while with 29 Sqd, Lightnings, F-2a and F-3's

Observer

[ghaynes]

Hi Graham

In the recent documentory Britains Roswell, Lt Col Halt stated that the 3 indentations in the forest floor were equally spaced and he gave the measurements on camera [i cannot remember what]. If these measurements tie up with the legs/feet on the Apollo training capsule [thats providing it had 3 legs/feet not 4], then i think we have cracked it or at least what the object was. Just how we find that out, i don't know.

If it was the capsule, we need to direct our investigation to the sequence of events and how they unravelled. I tried to explain this in my article, but i suspect it is far from accurate.

PS, i was at Wattisham for a while with 29 Sqd, Lightnings, F-2a and F-3's

Observer

Hi Observer,
Looking at the photo that Wolf posted on page 5 of the thread, it appears the stand has three feet. If it had four feet the rear, right-hand one would be visible.
Spent most of my RAF career at Wattisham......with Phantoms
Regards.

Graham

[Deep Purple]

Looks like it might have been " Apollo" capsule then, I suspect the whole rest of the info we have been fed including the Halt tape, and testimony from the others may be disinformation. The halt tape could have been recorded at any time.
Although "Observer" has stated the Stealth fighter never was based at Woodbrigde, I think the Americans simply used this incident as a fortitous start to a disinformation campaign for the stealth fighter to deny its existence.
Back in the 80s the Stealth was one of the US greatest secrets and was designed to be a killer blow if necessary for the Soviets, So the UK must have been one of the countries it was likely to have been flown from given our proximity to Russia.
What is also certain is they must HAVE TESTED THE REACTION of the Soviets to the Stealth.
This would have happend by flying a Stealth close to Russian airspace or over it and seeing what happened with a standoff AWAC or something similar, even a Nimrod. If NOBODY saw anything then STEALTH worked!
The Stealth would have needed a number of emergency landing sites if things went wrong.
Well they couldnt turn up at gate 23 at Gatwick could they? " This is Captain Schmidt taxinging Pan Am flight F117a from you dont wanna know to LGW, no passengers or cargo on board, to gate 23", just imagaine it. So it must have been a number of eastern English or Scottish, German bases that had clearence/ were designated emergency bases.
So if things went wrong and some one saw a VERY STRANGE TRIANGULAR AIRCRAFT suddenly about the airfield as a result of an emergency landing , "hey you just seen a UFO like that one at Rendlesham, ha ha!" That is why everything got leaked in a Spooky ufo way to make it look as if they Americans had accidentally let us have a gem in the HAlt tape, when in reality they were just seeting us up in case someone saw a Stealth with a home grown organic cover story. Organic in the sense it could be grown in many directions if needed.
A number of years ago something US and secret crashed at Boscombe Down, in Wilts , I believe the pilot died, and we still dont know what it was, it was all closed down in secrecy, tarpaulins covering it , and it still hasnt come out so you can see the lengths that they will go to when they want to hide something.
Once they had establised a UFO story in England the could use it anywhere in UK, Scotland Germany to help disinform or cover tracks.
So basically it boile d down to:-
1) Incident was likely to be Appolo capsule stunt/ hoax by drunken US airmen
2) This was then seized by US intelligence Services as a gift horse to spread disinformation with the leaking of HALT memo , tape etc to hide Stealth

[Observer]

Hi deep purple

Excellent analogy, it just could have been the smoke screen they needed. One theory that i have sat on for some time is that the Apollo capsule was deliberatley deployed into the forest to take the attention away and to create the UFO story [that was topical at that time] as an explanation for a visiting F-117 or even a SR-71.

Yes, i remember the crash and cover up at Boscombe Down. This does smell of the SR-71 as it was used for a short while out of Boscombe Down and bearing in mind that out of the 32 built, most were crashed killing all the pilots. Most crashes occurring on take off's and landings. This information is not in the public domain but my contacts at Jane's have found this out.

Regards

Observer

[Wolf]

SENIOR TREND prototype Number 780 was first flown in the US on 18 June 1981.

SENIOR TREND 787 was the first of the black aircraft to be flown by the 4450th, making its first operational flight on 15 October 1982.

The 4450th Tactical Group was established in October 1979. Training activities commenced in June 1981. The 4450th training was conducted on cockpit mock-ups and they were assigned the Vought A-7D aircraft to allow the pilots to maintiain their flying hours. The 4450th, officially, was a technical evaluation unit.



V/R

Wolf

[Observer]

Hi Wolf

Not heard of this one, could you enlighten us to what aircraft, type and role it was used in and where it may have flown out side the US.

Observer

[Wolf]

Have Blue was the code-name for Lockheed's "proof of concept" (i.e. prototype) Stealth Fighter. This project then became Senior Trend. F-117 was the final designation of this airframe.

V/R

Wolf

[Observer]

Hi Wolf

Thanks for that, i doubt then it was flying in the UK or even made a fleeting vist in 1980.
The logistics alone for receiving a new stealth aircraft to an over seas base even for a brief vist would have been a night mare. In no way would they risk it being grounded on foreign soil even friendly soil with with technical problems.

Observer

[ghaynes]

Hi Wolf

Thanks for that, i doubt then it was flying in the UK or even made a fleeting vist in 1980.
The logistics alone for receiving a new stealth aircraft to an over seas base even for a brief vist would have been a night mare. In no way would they risk it being grounded on foreign soil even friendly soil with with technical problems.

Observer

Just in case, nobody realised....the 4450th TG deployed its A-7Ds to Woodbridge on two occasions - 31st October to 14th November 1984 and 8th to 22nd May 1986. Both deployments were associated with avionics development trials for the F-117.
Regards.

Graham

[ghaynes]

Hi deep purple

Excellent analogy, it just could have been the smoke screen they needed. One theory that i have sat on for some time is that the Apollo capsule was deliberatley deployed into the forest to take the attention away and to create the UFO story [that was topical at that time] as an explanation for a visiting F-117 or even a SR-71.

Yes, i remember the crash and cover up at Boscombe Down. This does smell of the SR-71 as it was used for a short while out of Boscombe Down and bearing in mind that out of the 32 built, most were crashed killing all the pilots. Most crashes occurring on take off's and landings. This information is not in the public domain but my contacts at Jane's have found this out.

Regards

Observer

Hi Observer
I think your SR-71 data is seriously flawed IMO. The history of the Blackbird has been well publicised and many books have been written about it. This info is in the public domain.
No idea who your contact at Jane's is but I find it hard to believe that your 'crash' info originated from such a reputable source.
There were very few fatalities in SR-71A accidents (http://www.wvi.com/~sr71webmaster/srloss~1.htm). Note that a number of these losses included the SR-71's predecessors....the A-12 and YF-12A. This could be a cause for the confusion?

A-12 - 15 built, 9 survive today
YF-12A - 3 built, 1 survives today
SR-71A - 32 built, 21 survive today

Regards.

Graham

[ghaynes]

Looks like it might have been " Apollo" capsule then, I suspect the whole rest of the info we have been fed including the Halt tape, and testimony from the others may be disinformation. The halt tape could have been recorded at any time.
Although "Observer" has stated the Stealth fighter never was based at Woodbrigde, I think the Americans simply used this incident as a fortitous start to a disinformation campaign for the stealth fighter to deny its existence.
Back in the 80s the Stealth was one of the US greatest secrets and was designed to be a killer blow if necessary for the Soviets, So the UK must have been one of the countries it was likely to have been flown from given our proximity to Russia.
What is also certain is they must HAVE TESTED THE REACTION of the Soviets to the Stealth.
This would have happend by flying a Stealth close to Russian airspace or over it and seeing what happened with a standoff AWAC or something similar, even a Nimrod. If NOBODY saw anything then STEALTH worked!
The Stealth would have needed a number of emergency landing sites if things went wrong.
Well they couldnt turn up at gate 23 at Gatwick could they? " This is Captain Schmidt taxinging Pan Am flight F117a from you dont wanna know to LGW, no passengers or cargo on board, to gate 23", just imagaine it. So it must have been a number of eastern English or Scottish, German bases that had clearence/ were designated emergency bases.
So if things went wrong and some one saw a VERY STRANGE TRIANGULAR AIRCRAFT suddenly about the airfield as a result of an emergency landing , "hey you just seen a UFO like that one at Rendlesham, ha ha!" That is why everything got leaked in a Spooky ufo way to make it look as if they Americans had accidentally let us have a gem in the HAlt tape, when in reality they were just seeting us up in case someone saw a Stealth with a home grown organic cover story. Organic in the sense it could be grown in many directions if needed.
A number of years ago something US and secret crashed at Boscombe Down, in Wilts , I believe the pilot died, and we still dont know what it was, it was all closed down in secrecy, tarpaulins covering it , and it still hasnt come out so you can see the lengths that they will go to when they want to hide something.
Once they had establised a UFO story in England the could use it anywhere in UK, Scotland Germany to help disinform or cover tracks.
So basically it boile d down to:-
1) Incident was likely to be Appolo capsule stunt/ hoax by drunken US airmen
2) This was then seized by US intelligence Services as a gift horse to spread disinformation with the leaking of HALT memo , tape etc to hide Stealth

Hi Deep Purple,
Re. the Boscombe Down incident, the aviation press came to the conclusion that the aircraft was an Aurora. Another 'black' project that is thought to exist but has never been officially confirmed (hence the big cover-up).
Regards.

Graham

[Observer]

Hi Graham

Re my received info on the SR-71 and its derivitives. The info i received was a little vague but implied that a few aircraft were lost through crashes. Apparently it was enough to raise eye brows as they say and some again from my source were put into early retirement for several reasons. One being newer detection technologies by the Russians and the alleged second generation US Recci plane which is probably the Aurora. [A generic term for at least 2 different hypersonic black projects].

The Boscombe Down crash sounds intriguing and you could be right re it being part of the Aurora program. Its also interesting to note that there was a small article in the New Scientist some 2 years ago where it was leaked that Britain was involved in a new collaborative black project with the US, and it was not the F-35.

However, we seem to be drifting off subject as much as i enjoy aviation subjects. Its entirely possible that a US black project aircraft had a part to play in the Rendlesham forest UFO. Not so much that it was the UFO but the UFO was a smoke screen.

Observer

[Deep Purple]

Interesting we are getting no replies saying we are wrong!
You would have thought that some of the players would have been watching this site and if we were wrong they might have said so because of " XYZ"
It also interesting because at the time of the Boscombe Down Crash I think there was a Coroners report into it, but can I find this on the internet? Scrubbed clean?
I must admit I did not pay much attention at the time to it , but it went some thing along the lines local coroner concluded accidental death to airmen/ man in unidentified US aircraft from what I can remember. As Halt would say " This is Weird"

[Observer]

Hi deeppurple

I'm sure that quite a few 'players' have had a look, Jim Penniston being one. Admin may have more info on this. I am surprised that Larry Warren who did live in Liverpool hasn't made contact, but some body who knows him told me he was not into computers.

I do know that some of the British and American security services have logged in on occasions. I was tipped off by an ex Police colleague who said it was standard practice to keep an eye on any developments and any dialogue that could be considered detremental to national security. Having said that, there are dozens of sites that are occasionally monitored by the authorities. Admin probably knows more than i do.

Interesting that the coroners report was wiped clean on the Boscombe Down crash. Obviously deliberate.

Observer

[Observer]

Hi Admin

Pardon my ignorence but what radio channel is it?

I guess then that the radio host must have got the ARRS info from our forum as it was not published [to my knowledge] any where else?

Observer