Were they time travellers from the future?

[Frank]

An important piece of information that belongs to the topic of this thread; I got it from http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mi6/penniston.html

The first of two hypnotic regressions -- both of which were videotaped -- took place in September 1994. In that session, Penniston recounted the same events that he remembered consciously. Nothing new surfaced. The session did, however, turn up a jump in time: Penniston described being near the craft, examining it, and then suddenly standing 30 feet away next to Airman First Class John Burroughs, one of the men dispatched to investigate the scene with him. That sequence of events left about 45 minutes unaccounted for. He and his colleagues decided to try another hypnosis sesssion two months later to explore that seeming discrepancy.

During the second hypnotic regression, the psychologist takes Penniston back to the debriefing by two Office of Special Investigation (OSI) agents, and he recounts the scene and events just as he recalled them consciously. But then, according to Penniston's memory under hypnosis, those two agents leave the room and two other officials, one American and one with a British accent, come into the room and ask Penniston to again recount the story. They ask him, he says, if he would mind being given a shot of something and then telling his story again while they tape-record it. Penniston agrees, "if that's what it takes." But he also tells his interrogators that he doesn't like shots.

In a dramatic and striking scene on the videotape, Penniston lifts his arm for a shot of sodium penthathol and the agents question him repeatedly about the trajectory of the craft, its speed and approach. Penniston calmly repeats over and over that he did not see any of that, that the craft was already on the ground when he saw it.

The interrogation continues, and Penniston answers the officials' questions about the craft itself and the symbols he found on one side. He recalls the two agents talking to themselves, saying there was "no point in going further," that they knew what had happened and now the question was how to contain the situation. "They know about what I've seen. They knew it already," Penniston says under hypnosis.

As the regression continues, the psychologist begins questioning Penniston about possible "beings" in the craft and he begins to answer. On the tape, it seems that Penniston knows the answer to just about every question the psychologist asks. "I look at this and find it hard to believe it's me," said Penniston during one viewing of the tape.

Under hypnosis, Penniston describes the alien visitors, saying that they are "travelers from our future." They have been coming here in teams, each team assigned a different "tasking," a different mission. Each team targets certain people when it comes back to our time, rather than just encountering people randomly.
When the psychologist asks him why, Penniston -- still under hypnosis -- says, "They've got a serious problem. The world isn't like it is now. It's darker, in bad shape. It's very polluted and much colder." He goes on to recount that the visitors from the future also have serious social problems and difficulties with reproduction. Accordingly, one of the travelers' main tasks is to obtain sperm and eggs and chromosomes in order to keep the species alive. The species in question, he says in response to the psychologist's question, is "us. They're humans."

"The problem here," says Penniston to Rayl after the videotape ends, "is I don't know if this information is real in any sense, if it's been planted in my mind or if any of it is actually rooted in truth as we know it."

OMNI asked David Jacobs, one of the country's leading abduction researchers, to view and comment on the videotape of Penniston's second hypnosis session. Jacobs, history professor at Temple University, has conducted more than 600 hypnotic regressions and has written two books on the phenomenon, Secret Life and a new book, tentatively entitled The Threat, due in June 1997 from Simon & Schuster. Based on his research, Jacobs believes that the alien abduction phenomenon is real, that people really are being taken aboard spacecraft and subjected to often cruel medical and genetic examinations.

"The hypnosis started out fine," Jacobs says of the Penniston session. "The psychologist didn't ask a lot of probing questions. She did ask a few leading questions, but he didn't bite. It was okay. I feel quite certain that they, the military agents, did get him up into the office for an interrogation and that they did inject him with sodium pentathol, put him on a table, and ask him all those questions. It was quite a striking scene, and it all had the ring of truth to me. In other words, it appeared that this is exactly what happened. It had a beginning, a middle, and an end and each part led logically to the next up until the sodium pentathol. Once that was administered, it was chaos as far as I was concerned.

"He zoomed off into a channeling mode, and the psychologist didn't recognize it," contends Jacobs. "He simply dissociated, which is what happens when people begin to channel. The information is coming from one part of his brain, and the other part hears it and think it's coming from the outside. And suddenly he knows the answer to everything, as the psychologist begins to ask him one question after another about the beings. He knew the answer to absolutely everything, and only one question was he unable to answer. This is a certainty of channeling. It's a psychological phenomenon, and all the information that comes from this is internally generated. If the hypnotist isn't real experienced and doesn't recognize this, they can easily fall into this trap, and this I believe was a classic situation of just that."

[AgentAppleseed]

Frank, there`s something you should know, about all of the above.
I grew up, watching this thing unfold. Ive been there, all along the way, keeping up on current events, as best I could, throughout the last twenty year period. The entire story of what actually has gone on, over the years, with various individuals, is every bit as strange, and as interesting, as the original event that sparked the whole thirty year saga. Im talking here about people, not involved in any way whatsoever with the original event, people who have come and gone, within the history of the incident. Their involvement and their motives is a story unto itself. I say saga, because when the definitive account of the entire backlog of events surrounding the R.F.I is eventually written down, it will indeed be a saga. I dont mean that in a derogatory way either. The definitive version of the historyalone, outside of the actual incident itself, will be among the best books ever written. So much has happened in thirty years, that to actually write down all of it, you`d probably need another thirty years, just to do the research alone. All because of a lighthouse? LOL... I think not! Luckily for me, I can afford to look back on it all, with a sense of nostalgia, a feeling which I sincerely hope some day, the witnesses will be able to share too.

Your post, jogged my memory, on some details of this particular event, which in my forgetfulness, I had put to the back of my mind. Now my memory is a little foggy on the details, but back when David Jacobs made his claims about Penniston`s hypnosis, much controversy erupted over it. Basically, the hypnotist that performed the hypnosis session was disgusted by what Jacobs had said, being a professional themselves, and, If I remember rightly, a third professional was brought in to look at the Penniston hypnosis session, and in his opinion, there was nothing wrong with the way the session was carried out. Jacobs was proven to be wrong at the time this happened, and many people had many questions as to why Jacobs had said what he said. What were his motives for saying such a thing? Well I remember that afterward, it came to light that the reason Jacobs said what he said, was because he had been trying to poach good witnesses like Penniston, in order to further his own career. Jacobs knew Penniston was a star witness, and he wanted in. I wonder what Penniston would have remembered under Doctor Jacobs care? An alien abduction perhaps? Well, Penniston must have gotten some good advice, somewhere along the line, because he turned down Jacobs offer, and if I remember rightly, Jacobs apologised to Penniston for what he had said. After-all, Jacobs had taken advantage of the situation. I`m glad Penniston had the good sense to turn him down.
Frank, for years now, there has been an argument raging over whether or not hypnosis can be relied upon to give good results. The argument, has gone back and forth over the years, and current thinking, is that it is unreliable. Of course that may change between now and whenever.... Anyway, hypnosis is useful for some things. For instance, If a person has conscious recall of an event, hypnosis can be used to enhance the memory of the event, but then there`s the flipside that says unconscious memory is a different story. When it come to trying to prove something from a hypnosis session, were on shaky ground.
David Jacobs has built an entire career for himself, on shaky ground. In my opinion, in light of recent revelations about the good doctors questionable ethics and practices, his remark about the hypnosis session, all those years ago, was an early sign that something was not quite right with him, and his motives. Other professionals who have associated with him might have been better served to sit up and take notice, rather than sit back and wait, for what has happened in recent times. The guy has brought much bad publicity on the abduction scene, however some might say there`s no such thing as bad publicity.
The people that run the website at the link you listed above, have neglected to include this part of the story, in their account of what went on. I wonder why?
Now all of the above, comes from my memory of the situation, when it happened. I may have gotten a couple of minor details wrong but what I say, is basically true! Maybe Jim Penniston might clear the issue up with you privately, if you ask him too.

[Frank]

An interesting and very recent (May 2010) article on time travel by Stephan Hawking:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1269288/STEPHEN-HAWKING-How-build-time-machine.html

Some quotes that are relevant to the discussion in this thread:

"Any kind of time travel to the past through wormholes or any other method is probably impossible, otherwise paradoxes would occur. So sadly, it looks like time travel to the past is never going to happen. A disappointment for dinosaur hunters and a relief for historians."

"But the story's not over yet. This doesn't make all time travel impossible. I do believe in time travel. Time travel to the future."

[Daniel]

The thing with this topic is that a lot of the information is theoretical with no solid evidence that these sort of things can be done at least at the human level. This is the same for faster than light travel. Steven Hawking is correct that we can travel to the future as I do it all the time, walking from point A to point B .

It's interesting in one of John's hypnosis sessions that he mentioned light's (maybe beings of lights?). If only you could fully remember what you saw when you were out there John. I may have had an encounter with something similar, but it was in the early hours, and I might of had a dream in a dream to see it, so can't be sure.

If time travel occured, or any other strange event, then we may not see disclosure of this event for a long time.

[tpreitzel]

Steven Hawking is correct that we can travel to the future as I do it all the time, walking from point A to point B .

More perceptive than even you might imagine. According to some people, time should be viewed in terms of space.