Linda Moulton Howe's reports

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Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby Admin » Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:35 pm

Part 1: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1800&category=Environment
Part 2: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1801&category=Environment

Some interesting snippets:

Winston Keech wrote:As we marveled at the intensity of this energy reading – hairs tingling yet again in the frosty, snow dusted field, both John Burroughs and I independently witnessed ping pong-sized balls of blue/blue-white light appear amongst the trees in front of us and move briskly through the tree ‘finger’. I concluded that the area was so energized that it was producing pockets of charged air that were emitting a blue glow.


Spook lights anyone?

Winston Keech wrote:The second and more exciting observation was that the ‘burning’ light of the farmhouse in the ‘Col. Halt tape’ was explained. It is a quirk of that line of entry to the field only. The lights from the windows of the second farmhouse illuminates the trees directly behind it. The light is a soft orange- red colour and due to the tree shapes, it looks rather like a wall of orange flame to the fully night-adapted eyes. This was another breakthrough.


Linda Moulton Howe wrote:Where Was the December 26, 1980, Encounter?
On Christmas morning, December 25, 2010, I joined John and Jim returning to Rendlesham Forest for the first time together since 1980. We drove from the East Gate down the same road they traveled thirty years ago. The question for both of them was exactly where did they have their closest encounter with the lights and why don't they remember the same details?

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So, John became increasingly certain that he and Jim Penniston must have been further to the south where the row of trees growing in a watery marsh juts out into the open field.


Crucially, it seems that John and Jim place the landing site in the field, very close to Larry Warren's site.

Both reports are worth a read - a third one will be coming soon. There are some interesting photos too, not only of the conference and forest, but of apparently anomalous lights. There's a good picture of the lighthouse, which happens to appear a sun-like colour.
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby Daniel » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:41 pm

Thanks for posting Admin. Do you think the area just below the main farmers field was referred as the second farmers field on the halt tape? Halt also mentioned crossing a creek too.
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby Admin » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:51 pm

Daniel wrote:Thanks for posting Admin. Do you think the area just below the main farmers field was referred as the second farmers field on the halt tape? Halt also mentioned crossing a creek too.


See the picture below. I have highlighted what I believe to be the second farmer's field in blue. The creek - or the ditch - is identified by the blue arrow, with an enlargement of the satellite image above it. The green line is my guess at the direction taken by Halt - it makes sense too. Here's a map I put together: http://rendlesham-incident.co.uk/story/visualise-it/annotated-map-of-rendlesham-forest/

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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby Admin » Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:42 pm

Silvertop wrote:Admin, I've always wondered about the location of the '2nd farmer's field'. Halt said it was a large ploughed field, but the one you have highlighted it much smaller compared to the north part of 'Capel Green' field - which I presume Halt and his men walked through.


Yes, strange. I was going to suggest that the field boundaries could have since changed, but it appears not:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28296368@N02/2669969081/in/photostream/
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby AdrianF » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:16 pm

Yes, strange. I was going to suggest that the field boundaries could have since changed, but it appears not:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28296368@N ... otostream/

That photo does suggest something that I've suspected for a long time.. the far side of the second farmers field probably went as far as the finger of land that runs up to Butley Priory beside the wood. At this point it should be possible to see out to the coast, as Halt says later on the tape.

A question on the landing site. If the witnesses and film crew made a determined effort to find the site where John and Jim had their encounter, then did they ask the Forestry Commission or any of the foresters who were familiar with the forest in 1980 for their help?
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby IanR » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:23 pm

AdrianF wrote:That photo does suggest something that I've suspected for a long time.. the far side of the second farmers field probably went as far as the finger of land that runs up to Butley Priory beside the wood. At this point it should be possible to see out to the coast, as Halt says later on the tape.

It should be, but I've never actually tried it. We should have tried it in the summer!

I have always assumed that the little stream around the far side of this field is the creek that Halt says he fell into
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham5b.htm

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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby AdrianF » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:01 pm

It should be, but I've never actually tried it. We should have tried it in the summer!

I have always assumed that the little stream around the far side of this field is the creek that Halt says he fell into
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham5b.htm


Yep, we should have had a go, but I did go to the other side of the wood on an earlier date and entered the wood over the barbed wire. It seems that the little roll in terrain is roughly the same altitude along this point and from where I stood, you could see "clear out to the coast".
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby IanR » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:03 pm

AdrianF wrote:
I did go to the other side of the wood on an earlier date and entered the wood over the barbed wire. It seems that the little roll in terrain is roughly the same altitude along this point and from where I stood, you could see "clear out to the coast".

Can you mark where you were on a map or aerial view, please?
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby AdrianF » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:08 pm

Admin hope you don't mind me reusing the map that you reused from Google :D

The lower x is as far as I can go on this map, but is close. The x in the woods marks roughly the spot I was in where I could make out coastal features. It must have been spring as I remember it being warm and could see clearly through the trees.

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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby IanR » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:35 pm

AdrianF wrote: The x in the woods marks roughly the spot I was in where I could make out coastal features. It must have been spring as I remember it being warm and could see clearly through the trees.

We don't know where Halt actually got to after he passed the second farmer's field, because he never said at the time and I doubt he could accurately reconstruct it now. If you could see to the coast from the point marked X then it is entirely feasible that Halt was somewhere near that point when he said he could see the flashing light on the coast. I would think that the position where you have put the "HALT" label is a reasonable guess.

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"We’re at the far side of the farmer’s...the second farmer’s field and made sighting again about 110 degrees. This looks like it’s clear off to the coast. It’s right on the horizon."
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby puddlepirate » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:56 pm

I'd go with the smaller of the two Xs, the one to the south. In fact i'd move that a little farther to the east. That should be on the edge of Oak Wood from there it should certainly be possible to have a clear line of sight to the coast.
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby puddlepirate » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:57 pm

I'd go with the smaller of the two Xs, the one to the south. In fact i'd move that a little farther to the east. That should be on the edge of Oak Wood from there it should certainly be possible to have a clear line of sight to the coast.
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby David Bryant » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:41 am

Based on Halt's testimony and that of John B, I've always assumed the stream referred to is the one that runs through the 'finger of woodland' that nearly separates the farm field into two. You can distantly see the Orford lighthouse if you walk fifty yards north from the end of this 'finger'

http://www.chilling-tales.com/FORUM%20R ... %20map.jpg

http://www.chilling-tales.com/FORUM%20stream.jpg
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby IanR » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:24 pm

linhely wrote:Do you think the area just below the main farmers field was referred as the second farmers field on the halt tape? Halt also mentioned crossing a creek too.

Halt said on the tape that he passed the farmhouse, went through a second field and across a stream. I think it's obvious from his description that the second field was the one marked in blue in the aerial view in Adrian's posting above.

You can read Halt's description here
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/halttape3 ... mer'shouse
For a discussion, see points 10 and 11 in my analysis of the tape here
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/halttape%20analysis2.htm

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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby David Bryant » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:54 am

As is usually the case, Ian, you start off with a version of events that best fits your own opinions (in this case one that puts Halt much nearer the Orfordness Light!) and ignore other people's testimonies. JB, JP and LW all give the field west of Green Farm as the correct location. And CH's description could fit a walk out of the eastern edge of the forest, across towards Green Farm before turning south and crossing the stream into the 'second field'.
You might well be right, but scientific rigour is not about picking and choosing only the evidence that supports your contention!
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby David Bryant » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:35 am

And, by the way, as a freelance lecturer on astronomical topics myself, I'm surprised that no-one has queried your identification of some of Halt's sightings as Vega & Deneb.
A glance at this star-chart:
http://www.chilling-tales.com/26%2027%2 ... 201980.jpg
for 0.300hrs on the night in question reveals that neither of these stars was in fact visible! And at 03.30, Sirius was very low in the south west: almost certainly behind the treeline. Furthermore, there was a much more likely candidate for a misidentification that night: a conjunction of Saturn & Jupiter low in the ESE. I am surprised that the published accounts of your rigorous investigations have failed to mention this!
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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby IanR » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:58 am

David Bryant wrote:I'm surprised that no-one has queried your identification of some of Halt's sightings as Vega & Deneb. A glance at this star-chart:
http://www.chilling-tales.com/26%2027%2 ... 201980.jpg
for 0.300hrs on the night in question reveals that neither of these stars was in fact visible! And at 03.30, Sirius was very low in the south west: almost certainly behind the treeline. Furthermore, there was a much more likely candidate for a misidentification that night: a conjunction of Saturn & Jupiter low in the ESE.

I don't know where you got that chart from, but it seems to have cut off the lower part of the sky all the way around the horizon. As a result it misses off Vega and Deneb. It also puts Sirius too low. Here's an accurate chart
http://www.heavens-above.com/wholeskych ... 4599.12500
which confirms the visibility of Vega, Deneb and Sirius in the positions and at the altitudes given by Halt.
If you go here you can play around with other dates, times and locations to your heart's content
http://www.heavens-above.com/skychart.a ... t=0&tz=GMT

Jupiter and Saturn could indeed have been among the objects that were misidentified on the various nights of the sightings but there are no descriptions among the witness statements that clearly point to them.

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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby Ignis Fatuus » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:45 am

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JB, JP and LW all give the field west of Green Farm as the correct location.


And CH's description could fit a walk out of the eastern edge of the forest, across towards Green Farm before turning south and crossing the stream into the 'second field'.

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Re: Linda Moulton Howe's reports

Postby David Bryant » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:34 pm

IF: I have no idea what those video clips are supposed to signify, so I'll ignore them. I also don't like being called 'Dave' by pseudonyminous posters!

Ian: I actually copied the star chart from 'Heavens Above' 18 months ago: I added the star symbols for greater clarity. I can only assume it has been reworked by HA in the interval.

You are being a little 'creative' as usual with your analysis, in several ways:
1) Although Sirius, Vega and Deneb are all very bright stars ( -1.25, 0.0 & 1.25) Jupiter can be brighter than any of these: in conjunction with Saturn (and with the Moon nearby) I really doubt that, by comparison, Sirius would have generated so much excitement in the witnesses.
2) The three stars were all close to the horizon: mist / atmospheric pollution / artificial sky-glow would have reduced their apparent magnitudes significantly.
3) Sirius doesn't (as you seem to imply both here and on your webpages) shine beams of light/ display a steady cross-shaped configuration or move around the sky!

Your argument depends upon the fact that most people are ignorant about the night sky and are not in a position to contradict your 'expert analysis'. It's very similar to the way you claim that the Orfordness light was many times brighter in 1980 than it was in 2000. As we both know, you're using an acknowledged error in the Guiness Book of Records as your source for this specious claim. In fact the modern lamp was 84% as bright as the original with exactly the same 'range'.

You have much support for your opinions, but I'm afraid a lot of it seems to come from humanocentrists and poorly-informed sceptics
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