Underground Facility?????

[andi67]

Thanks Obs, I will do that. Im going to Rendlesham weekend after next. There is another under ground facility in Gravesend Kent. Its under the big park there, not very well known and not open to public. I know its there as I come from this area, and Mike Parish who owns Kelvedon has told me about it. I too have been Kelvedon hatch, a few times as an investigation into paranormal, but thats another story.

Im new to RFI, I have a friend who spent 10-12 years up there every weekend with Brenda Butler and co. Ive never met her, but got interested in this case after talking to him.
Ive read all the MOD stuff released, numerous articles in magazines and on internet. Ive also reviewed several letters between investigators and officals. ie MOD.
Ive also read Sky Crash, Left at East gate and Georgina Bruni replies to Larry Warren. Im about to Start on You cant tell the people. Ive also read Friend or Foe and watched strange but true and Anicent Aliens.

But if im missing some informative reads please let me know. Im attending Sept 10th as well.

Regards Andrea

[andi67]

Hi Obs, sent you a pm, though not sure if it sent as its sitting in outbox? rather than sent box????

[larry warren]

ignis, i had that memory long before i ever worked with a hypotist , and the first worked with the ct state police, the second was budd hopkins, and what that session actually did was to put what i thought i remembered into a more clinical
and sensible frame , it was a screen memorie for sure, and i never claimed it was doctor evils base i never bought the image at all but it was not just me it happened to. whats the deal with martlesham heath ? any one know.
hey adrian F, whats the deal with your rendlesham film ? whens it out dude.

[Observer]

Larry you old bass player, was it a Fender Precision?

When you say whats the deal with Martlesham Heath, explain?? I may be able to answer.

Obs

[bignos]

ignis, i never claimed it was doctor evils base

[larry warren]

obs, fenders were too heavy to sling for me , i did own 2 however, a 74 p bass and an 82 p bass wish i still ownwd all my guitars cause id be selling them off these days and investing in dancing girls !
yes, on martlesham, i knew a guy that worked at it , what did they do there ? was most of it underground ? i was at its gate once and recall only a few small buildings within the fence. the guy mark, worked there and seems to not have been whom he perported to be ! lots of that sort of thing in this for sure........whats the currant view on this thing called rendlesham?
no one tells me anything . cheers

[AdrianF]

hey adrian F, whats the deal with your rendlesham film ? whens it out dude.

Hi Larry, I'm still hoping to get this completed, hopefully by the end of this year. I'm in the middle of a move and a bunch of other commitments, so I'm unlikely to get back to any filming until the end of July ( and I still have a lot of things I'd like to cover ). I'll post here as soon as I have a bit more info.

Cheers
Adrian

p.s It was me that made the Dr Evil gag

[Observer]

Larry

I take it that you mean the British Telecom research centre on the old Martlesham Heath WW-2 air field.
If yes, then at that era, they were doing ground breaking research into microwave comms including SAT comms and fibre optic comms. Much of this research was for the British telephone networks, but there was some military research going on as well but that was classified.
I know John Burroughs was interested in what was going on there 1979/80 and several of us had a dig around but nothing was found that could have been the cause of the RFI. That doesn't mean to say that some was not going. May be some experiments were carried out and they had a bad side effect.
Obs

[larry warren]

cheers for the info observer, and adrian F ! p.s, i love dr evil what a chariter, carried those films in my view !

[Observer]

Larry
This may be of no consequence, but I think it was silvertop or even redsocks who did a google earth picture of the BT centre and it showed several huge microwave dishes, one was pointing directly to Orfordness and its line of direction went straight through Rendlesham forest and the farm house in the field. If any body can find the thread in the archives with the pictures showing the where the lines were drawn.

Obs

[larry warren]

i think John mentioned BT some time back, as you drive to woodbridge from ipswitch im told that the giant bt building you see on the right was renting the top floor to the NSA cir 1980, that martlesham joint dosent feel right to me as well ! thanks for the info observer, hope you and yours are well

[Observer]

I hope Les Gibson from Liverpool gets to the final.

There was also a British scientist who worked at BT Martlesham who committed suicide and he was one of many who committed suicide all were working on classified military electronics programs. There is some good stuff on the NET about them.
John Burroughs has always suspected that they got caught up in a experiment to do with EM and microwaves. The only thing that lets this idea down is all the staff and scientists with the exception of security guards would have been home for Christmas, or at least one would have thought so.
Obs

[John Burroughs]

H mm interesting dead scientist who worked in the Em field classified location in the area that worked on EM. Heck even Puddlepirate started looking into that going out to Bawdsey which had EM signs still posted and claimed he was followed afterwards. EM can cause the kinda effects we talked about and is still highly classified. One wonders plus there is still a EM field out there...

[Ignis Fatuus]

Larry
..the second was budd hopkins, and what that session actually did was to put what i thought i remembered into a more clinical
and sensible frame, it was a screen memorie for sure,..

http://www.carolrainey.com/progress.html
Don't mess with the Mrs...

[John Burroughs]

One other interesting note to add. I beleive I talk about this before. CNN was the first network to look into this case. The reporter was Chuck De Caro who was also looking into thisto http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/cnn-mc.htm and the
dead scientist. The special assignments divison ended while this was going on and he now works for the government..

[Frank]

Does any one think there is a connection, I'm doubtful.

Obs

I’m doubtful, too.

Suicides are not uncommon in big telecommunication companies, see the recent articles on suicide rates at France Telecom: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8252547.stm. Pretty heavy cases like a 49-year-old man who plunged a knife into his own stomach during a meeting in which he had been told he was being transferred
It may be related to privatization and the resulting pressure on the employees (BT was privatized in 1984).

The dishes look like ordinary telecommunication dishes to me (though you can never be sure). It seems logical that NSA cooperates with telecommunication companies, since NSA is specialized in cryptography and part of their mission is to “to produce foreign signals intelligence information” according to their own website.

The only relation to EM that I can imagine:
Powerful EM beams crossing each other in the sky may produce enough energy in the cross points to cause plasma forming (the blue balls that were reported ‘zipping’ across the sky?). But the illusion of half-moon shaped objects that “moved rapidly in sharp, angular movements and displayed red, green and blue lights. (…) and beamed down a stream of light from time to time.” ??

I had a chance to talk to Bustinza some time ago. He was adamant there were Bobbies and others out with them on the Halt night. "Some of them dressed in long like London Fog coats." Halt says no way - never happened like that.

Strange . . . !

Good to see you're back ST! Hopefully you can persuade Adrian to join the forum one day ..

[Observer]

I don't pretend to be an expert in these electronic matters, but do you think the new high powered 3-D Doppler radar being used at RAF Bawdsey just down the road from RAF Woodbridge may be a factor? Did it do weird things in certain weather conditions or possibly clash with some other transmission that crassed its path over Rendlesham forest?

Was there any jamming transmissions coming off Russian trawlers in the North sea. They did have a history of loitering around out side the 12 mile limit.

Just guessing
Obs

[Ignis Fatuus]

You people are nuts, and I mean that in the nicest possible way.
The only mind control in play is from those who want their Ranch in the Hills via a book and movie deal.

Larry
ignis, i never claimed it was doctor evils base

What? Are you sure it wasn't a Football Stadium?

[Frank]

EM waves (in this case microwaves) are able to produce a plasma (but you'll need to pump a lot of energy in the air - things start boiling in a microwave ya know )

The only mind control in play is from those who want their Ranch in the Hills via a book and movie deal.

Haha, maybe you can ask Larry if he'll take you for a ride in his Mercedes? Or was it a Porsche Larry?
I'm afraid the RFI is as bad as a business case as it is as a UFO case ..

[Ignis Fatuus]

Haha, maybe you can ask Larry if he'll take you for a ride in his Mercedes? Or was it a Porsche Larry?

That's why it pays to write your own songs. Anyway he did alright making something from nothing.

I'm afraid the RFI is as bad as a business case as it is as a UFO case ..

Not for he that knows the truth...although he better get in before She who knows where the bodies are buried.