Britains Closest Encounters 2008 Part 1 - Berwyn Mountain

[IanR]

Well, you can see why they left him out of the programme, can't you?

As I have mentioned here before, this "UFO" event is known among geophysicists as the Bala earthquake, because that's what it was.

Ian

[Admin]

As I have mentioned here before, this "UFO" event is known among geophysicists as the Bala earthquake, because that's what it was.

Exactly. There was an earthquake, and that is a fact. The witnesses don't claim to have seen that much anyway. I don't subscribe to the saucer retrieval stories to be honest.

Anyone who watched it must have been shocked at the degree of imbalance

No. I considered it a balanced programme and quite enjoyed it. The story was briefly recalled, believers offered their opinions and sceptics offered their opinions. In some instances the believers spoke again, refuting the sceptics' claims.

What would be a 'balanced' programme, where the sceptics can't take part at all?

I was left with the feeling that something unusual could have taken place, but no one could be sure or offer much evidence.

[Observer]

Hi
I don't want to get embroiled into a debate about the BCE 2008 Pt 1 but i have to say that in Part 2 they dealt with 2 important events in one program. Both these events, the Welsh triangle and Rendlesham deserved a whole program each. Due to time and editing many important and interesting pieces of information were left out of both sightings.
In part 2 they were talking about the Nimrod and showed a picture of a Victor B-2 which says to me that those making the program were not up to getting things right, probably more to do with ignorance than anything else.
I eagerly wait for part 3 to see how many more mistakes they make.
Obs

[robert]

I think Obs, Rendlesham is a lot more credible and much harder to expain rationally due to the close proximity of and the Professional quality of the Witnesses involved and the fact that it happened over two or three days.

To cover the material we have here would take at least a feature length film and more likely and better still a series of Documentaries.

At any rate it's nice to get some coverage that is not, for a change, tongue in cheek and taking the mickey out of some very good witnesses. I think we have to remember we haven't the privelidge of first hand knowledge that our lead witnesses enjoy and to have them as a 'banker' makes the Rendlesham Incident one of the most important and credible cases in history.

Aplologies for the Eulogy!

Robert

[Observer]

Thanks Robert
You have stated the obvious, and as the RFI is iconic in the UFO world, it would at least deserve 2 one hour episodes say part 1 and part 2 so that most of the relevant ponts were covered. Most previous docs on the RFI have been an hour or just under and coverage was average, but a half hour is inadequate.
Obs

[winkeech]

Hi,
... I think I can add much to this topic. Ch 5 did a hit piece on the incident ... local researcher Scott Feltham is hopping mad about the way it was filmed ... and quite rightly so.
Personaly I confirmed, over a period of two years extensive research, the details of Russ Kelletts 10 yrs of research, before filming a documentary about it for him. Scott was very helpful in confirming some details.
Yes, there was an earthquake (ricther 3. epicenter at Bala - but if you look at the BGS trace, you see there is no harmonic excitation - it is a blast profile, just like the richter 2 Buncefield oil depot explosion. I am now pretty sure exactly what caused that, where and why.
This was one of many shoot downs at that time in North Wales - simply different because a second craft was involved (seemingly trying to rescue the first) ... the first was brought down by Harriers, the second was distracted by photoflash bombs and then stunned. It soft landed nearly three miles from the wreckage of the first.
I have interviewed over a hundred local witnesses - they described to me conclusive details that they could not be expected to understand the significance of ... and they are still scared to speak of it thirty years on.
Little green men quotient, zero ... evidence of first craft wreckage - good ... Russ even had a piece before sending it off to be analysed ... also, if you look at this event - the activity started in the sea off the Welsh coast. Previously, the craft had been chased up and down the Sognje Fiord in Norway by a small task force of nato vessels. From the information Russ gathered, activity in the waterways around the coast near Bentwaters running up to this time may well have had a bearing ... and would explain some of the things Col Halt told me nearly 20 yrs ago.
best wishes,
win.

[Observer]

Winkeech

It would be good if you could tell us what Halt told you all those years ago.

As for Harriers shooting down UFO's, that would be pretty hard to keep out of the public domain. Some body some where would find out and it would be in all the papers.
RAF Harriers were not usually used in the air defence role of the UK.
The RAF would not shoot anything down unless it was a threat to our national security either tactically or strategically.

Obs

[Sacha Christie]

Winkeech... russ Kellett is a media whore... I can't believe ANYONE takes anything he say's seriously. The fact he runs a CULT called the deciples of the apocolypse is enough to make anyone run a mile. I used to be in contact with him years ago until after one particular telephone call I had some nutter screaming about the aliens are coming all you non believers will die etc etc at three am ... Right outside my house.... coincidence? I don't think so.

As soon as I saw this thread I knew someone would have to mention him... he was always going to Wales to meet someone who had the difinitive proof but guess what... they always backed out because they were "in fear for their life" apparently. Excuse my french in advance but what a load of bollocks.

It was an Earthquake.

[DeanF]

Just a small point, in the original email suggesting that the person was 'special' or favoured by the authorites in that they disclosed documents to them which no one else was able to get: if you submit a request under the FOIA, who you are, whether you are liked, well known, doesn't come into it.

There are only certain reasons why a government agency can refuse a request under the FOIA, and they have to disclose which reason it is - in the event they refuse. It's probably more likely no-one was able to get the documents because no-one else submitted an FOIA request for them!