Encounter with an Entity?

[pupil88]

Bustina told me that as we were running towards the object and i say object for no better word he fell down which I remember well he stated he did not fall but was pushed and then was held down. After that he stated what ever it was completly covered me up in other words it went over me and I disapeared. Well I can remember getting close to it and then all of a sudden i was standing in the field not knowing what had happened

JB,

Could you describe what the object was? Were you and Bustinza running for something in the blue light? Was anyone else with you? Did he say some BODY pushed him down and held him to the ground? Did he say how long he was held before he was released? Were you still running further ahead? If that 'body' released him and went for you it may have flown to catch you and cover you? Did you feel any impediment on your body or were you affected psychically? Did you hear any noise of movement or movements of air? You said you did "not know what happened". How did you feel at that moment? Some activity related to the blue lights must have been threatened by the presence of your running for a 'entity' to intervene, if it were an entity.Or were you both protected by some BODY from hazardous materials?

[John Burroughs]

OK, Bustinza and I were running together and he fell down and I kept running. As I was getting close to it all of a sudden it was gone and I was just standing in the field. I dont know what happened. Bustinza told me he was knocked down and held down afterwards he stated he could not stand up until after what ever it was was gone and i was standing alone in the field. Halts party was behind us several hundred yards. Halt was the one who stated down the line that I was on top of somthing Bustinza said that I disapeared into it. I have no Idea what happened. That is why I went under hypnois. I donnot know or remember what happened once I got close to it.

[Andrew Pike]

Hello John,

I apologise if you have already answered this question before somewhere on this forum but, What colour and shape was the object you chased and disappeared into?

And am I right in saying Adrian Bustinza could still see it while you could not?

Thanks.

[John Burroughs]

We both could see it and it was white yellow red and blue.

[pupil88]

Hi John,

If you don't want to answer, don't.

Did it have a shape?

[Andrew Pike]

Thanks for the reply John.

I asked because the encounter is similar to others I have come across over the years, including one involving some children about a century before the Rendlesham Forest incident. Their lights were red spheres and the children who approached and chased the lights (like yourself) saw them suddenely disappear as they got close while those children further behind (like Bustinza) could still see them.

[pupil88]

Hi Andrew,

I don't believe light pushes people to the ground and holds them down. Bodies do that.

[John Burroughs]

There was no real shape...

[Andrew Pike]

Hi Andrew,

I don't believe light pushes people to the ground and holds them down. Bodies do that.

There are differences between John and Adrian's encounter and the similar ones I mentioned above. For example, the holding down, colours different, no particular shape, and disappearing into the light/entity.

But as a scientist I can say it is important to look at all details, read beyond the actual Rendlesham case of December 1980. Too many scientists are mindset from the beginning and go all out to prove that mindset view. That is not science.

This part of the case just struck me as interesting as it had connections I've encountered elsewhere, and it is good to get the details of a story first hand from those actually there at the time. But clearly it is not quite the same. Now a debunker will make it the same and case closed. A scientist will move on and investigate fully and try to find out why there are differences.

[robert]

Andrew,

Could it be a magnetic force. Repulsion of some sort?

Would this also affect the Brain pattern and cause loss of memory.

Supposition I know but just asking the question.

Cheers

Robert

[Observer]

Andrew
Most people will have an agenda, for example, an astromoner will give priority to his field of expertise when looking for explanations. A scientist specialising in radar and other such technology will give that priority in his quest. Believers in little green men from Mars i'm sorry to say will have that as their agenda and so it goes on. I have an agenda, and that is to either prove one of the man made theories, or find new ones and when all those are eliminated, then and only then will i look elsware.
Obs

[Andrew Pike]

Andrew,

Could it be a magnetic force. Repulsion of some sort?

Would this also affect the Brain pattern and acuse loss of memory.

Supposition I know but just asking the question.

Cheers

Robert

As many will know, I don't really talk about Rendlesham these days, I spoke at length with Larry Warren in Glastonbury a few weeks ago at a conference and between the two of us it was thought maybe I should register on this forum. I didn't know for sure whether Larry and John were genuinely who they said they were on this site, but now I know they are the real people I couldn't resist asking John about the encounter he spoke about. What I am probably saying is I'll keep my views basic and bland as they have got me a lot of agro in the past. So with that in mind

Many years ago myself and others did look at this point of magnetic effects on the brain (magnetic indexes, EM effects on certain areas of the brain, ELF effects like theta, beta, alpha and delta ranges). All could play a part, there are signs hinting so in the Rendlesham detail if you accept these EM effects were happening at Rendlesham. It's a big subject and certainly some of the medical problems experienced lead me to some conclusions which I have mentioned elsewhere.
But as we know that starts to go down the Susan Blackmore path and that is where I'll leave it.

Now a debunker will make it the same and case closed. A scientist will move on and investigate fully and try to find out why there are differences.

Andrew I really don't think a scientist would use the term 'debunker'. A debunker is a 'heretic' is he not ?

St.

Not sure what point you are making but, no a debunker and a heritic are not the same in my view.

Andrew
Most people will have an agenda, for example, an astromoner will give priority to his field of expertise when looking for explanations. A scientist specialising in radar and other such technology will give that priority in his quest. Believers in little green men from Mars i'm sorry to say will have that as their agenda and so it goes on. I have an agenda, and that is to either prove one of the man made theories, or find new ones and when all those are eliminated, then and only then will i look elsware.
Obs

Agenda are fine, it's not the same as a mindset view in my opinion.

[pupil88]

Hi Andrew,

I believe your definiitions hold water and I agree with most of what you say.

The problem, I think, stems from the use of common sense.The elisions that many posters use, that is, how they glide over differences as if they have a mission in mind. A topic that starts in one direction goes 180 degrees in the other.And what you get is MORE OF THE SAME.

[puddlepirate]

Dr Blackmore is a skeptic, is she not? An expert in the fields of pyschology and physiology? Or have I got her confused with someone else?

Not absolutely sure what that has to do with the RFI though...

[pupil88]

John Burroughs spoke for nearly two hours on Theparacast. That tape is available for downloading.

The most startling revelation to come out concerned JB's entanglement with lights moving through the forest. Lt. Col. Halt and his team witnessed it. Halt said Burroughs was caught up in the light and disappeared for 25 minutes. JB said that was the reason he underwent hypnosis again. Bustinza also was 'held' down for app. 25 minutes.

[Sacha Christie]

I'd just like to add something here if I may regarding the question of magnetic force/repulsion and the posibilities of it affecting the brain. I'm not coming from a scientific stand point here, merely a note about my experience.

I'll keep it short just for the sake of the point of discussion. I went to Wales in 1996 for the weekend with an ex partner and my son, my partners sister, her son and their uncle who was in his 50's. My partner observed some lights in the far distance which I first believed to be lightning until I saw it had a uniformed pattern. After some time this craft moved to be directly above us and another spherical object landed (without us seeing or hearing it do so) some 20 feet behind us in a copse of trees behind a chain linked fence. We were all excited and not afraid, the children were scared and so eventually we took them back into the house. As soon as we wlked into the house everyone began to act as if we'd just watched a few fireworks, my partner washed the dishes, his sister and uncle started to watch tv and the kids played like nothing had happened. I on the other hand was quite bewildered by everyones behaviour and for some stupid unknown reason i went back outside and away from the house and stood directly underneath it. When I had noticed the second object on the ground i pointed it out to everyone by saying "ooh look, theres another one" to which they all looked and replied "oh yeah" and promptly stared back at the spectacular display of lights above us (around 200ft). We all immediately forgot about the second one and I certainly didn't remember about it was I walked back out on my own. It wasn't until I heard something running towards me which actually brushed against me that everything suddenly hit home and I ran for my life in blind terror. When I recounted what had happened my ex calmly looked at the clock on the cooker and said "well you haven't been gone long so you haven't had any missing time" like it was the most normal thing in the world to say. He never even asked if I was ok.. no concern. Stepford wives springs to mind.

I have considered our behaviour for 12 years and we weren't acting normally, it was like we were in a semi trance like state. When I heard those footsteps I snapped out of it pretty damn quickly. I still can't get over it, why on earth would any rational person go back and stand right underneath a large silent ufo by themselves and how on earth did the fact that there was another one on the ground only feet away not mean anything to anyone?

I can only surmise that somehow something affected us in a way that we didn't realize fully what was going on. We were manipulated in a sense, this i'm sure of.

I suffered from multiple health issues since but for the most part most of them have abated although the hypnogogia remains but the depression has lifted for the most part, although i would say that was a post traumatic stress related disorder.

[winkeech]

Hiya,
... I thought that you might find this article of interest wrt to force holding people down during an encounter.
http://www.colinandrews.net/CheesefootHead-PatDelgado.html
This may seem unrelated at first, but there are certain similarities here. I recently carried out some research with Pat Delgado, just before his death - and I spoke at length with him about this incident ... hence I thought that there were real similarities wrt unseen entities/forces at play. Incidentaly - the sound recorded at the cheesefoot incident is similar to the noise that appeared briefly on the Halt tape ... see earlier blog entries - and both Pat and I were shocked to find an EM source of this sound apparently measurable in the ground and trees. Very odd.
I hope this is of interest,
best wishes,
Win. (presently in the fields of Wilts in the dead of night filming crops again!)