What knocked over a tree?

[John Burroughs]

OB
Take a closer look at what I'M saying what would cause people haveing different views of what they witness to include what the tower people saw from a distance to the closer we got. Also take a look at what Roberts first said could someone please post what he was stating...

[Observer]

St

I see your point re memo.

Obs

[Observer]

John

Was it what Roberts first said in the pub to Brenda Butler or did he say some thing later to some body else?
I still don't know who Roberts is.

Obs

[AdrianF]

From BBs account in Skycrash

Steve Roberts said that the event occurred 6 nights before on the 27th. A UFO had crashed down into some trees and he was with a patrol that were called out. He said he witnessed a meeting between the Base Commander and some small alien creatures. He had previously told Brenda that he had knowledge of people involved USAF UFO incidents, from his service pre 1980.

This means he approached BB with this revelation sometime around the 2nd of Jan.
Adrian

[AdrianF]

There was also Dave Potts (pseudonym) Radar Op from Watton, who spoke to author Paul Begg around the same time, again in a pub. The radar op had been told by a colleague of a night of unusual activity on the 27th.

Adrian

[Observer]

Adrian

This implies that the USAF had a team investigating UFO's pre Rendlesham. We know they wound up project Blue Book decades earlier, but it seems they still took an interest and i also heard that the CIA never dropped their interest because they had ulterior motives!!!

Is Steve Roberts his real name?

Obs

[John Burroughs]

Who was on Patrol and would have been called out? Who talked about knowing about UFO and the USAF prior to Bentwaters. Who would have been in before 1980. Who did Bruni have in her book on the record for the first time?

[AdrianF]

I'm with you John, it does make sense I guess. I just noticed another clue in Georgina's book
In fact it looks like she left us a large cryptic clue

Obs
Steve Roberts was stating that he had had previuos involvement with UFOs pre Bentwaters/Woodbridge.
It wasn't his real name.

Adrian

[John Burroughs]

Observer
The person was talking about his own experience or people he was stationed with. Adrain can you put the clue Bruni was talking about on the forum

[AdrianF]

Obs

If you want to know how the CIA were interested in UFOs then google their film archive.

Adrian

[AdrianF]

Georgina wrote that when she first realised who Steve Roberts was, his name had not been on the Radar. She tracked him down and found that he was employed by a government contractor in the security business.

In another chapter when looking at one of the witnesses statements, she summarised that he is now employed in a very similar line of work. Nothing that unusual, given the SPs backgrounds, but probably a deliberate clue?

Adrian

[Observer]

So this could have been a black op that Steve Roberts knew about or was even part of?

So what is his real name?

Obs

[John Burroughs]

Yes he did and I'm not sure yet but I beleive somewhere it was written he worked in the back office if not there is only one other person who I know worked in the back office soon afterwards..

[AdrianF]

ST

Yeah, supposedly before revealing what had happened at the forest, Steve Roberts gave Brenda "snippets of information" about previous UFO encounters in the USAF. Bustinza had a previous encounter with a UFO near the WSA ( at Mather AFB ) before being posted to Alaska (where something else happened to him? ) then Woody.

I will go back to my interview with Brenda later and see if there is anything else she says on this first encounter.
Adrian

[John Burroughs]

Did he not also talk about working in the Back Office I beleive back where all of the reports were kept and could have made lets just say copies could have been made...

[John Burroughs]

Folks
Take a hard look at what was wriiten early on the way certain things came out what was said in the CNN piece. As you can see for ever people wanted to know who Steve Roberts was and I beleive the facts have been staring you in the face. Ben who posted the part about the tree has allot of stuff he has put together from reading all of the Books over and over again and then interviewing witness after witness. I beleive you have to look at all of the clues and then all know facts before you can come up with what happened!!!

[bnj]

Georgina Bruni begins her book "You Can't Tell the People" with a section titled "The Major Players" {pp. xiv-xxvi). For each of her "players" she gives a very brief account of the role played in the Rendlesham incident by said player and an even briefer description of her first contact with him (or her). For instance, on page xxii we have:

Airman First Class Steve Roberts (pseudonym)(ret.)

ROLE: Security Police. First known person to discuss the incident with civilians. A few days after the incident he told Chris Pennington and Brenda Butler he had witnessed a landed UFO with an alien crew.CONTACT: The author interviewed him in 1999.

Later in her book Georgina Bruni devotes ten pages to "Steve Roberts". ("The Mysterious Steve Roberts", pp. 50-59) Some of the contributers to this topic might well profit by a perusal of these ten pages. I know have.

More relevant to this topic is another "major player". On page xxii of Bruni's book we have

Sergeant Rick Bobo (ret.)

ROLE: Security Police. He was in the Bentwaters Control Tower and was instructed to keep an eye on the UFO whilst it hovered over the base for almost five hours. CONTACT: He gave his first interview to the author in 1998.

An excerpt from one of these interviews is found on pages 242-243 of Bruni's book. Relevant to this topic is this portion on page 243 which reads

"I heard some of the radio transmissions from the men who were out there. They were reporting a light going through the woods. it had bumped into a tree and they were getting radio readings from the area. They were discussing three impressions and stuff moving through the woods towards Woodbridge. They kept switching to different frequencies so I couldn't hear everything. I know there was a Colonel with them."

Bobo has "bumped" into a tree; Nevels has "knocked over" a tree. I'll bet it's the same tree.

[Observer]

Lets suppose for a moment that a tree was 'knocked' over.
Having a friend who worked in Rendlesham Forest, i know there will be two types of 'fell'
Pulled up by the roots or cut.
If the tree was knocked over it was either pushed over exposing its roots or it broke and fell over.
This would not be a clean cut from the chain saw but a splintered fracture. I wonder if Halt took any samples of the tree damage for forensic examination especially as they are claiming an alien craft knocked it over? Well there could have been some fender paint on the tree.

Either way the Forestry workers are going to notice this when they return to work and the foreman would report this unofficial felling/damage to the manager. Granted they may not see it for a few days but they eventually will. Extensive and Unexplained tree damage was taken very seriously because they were worth money as their main customer was the building trade. I am not confusing this with Halts remark that he saw a few branches broken off and scuff marks in the bark.
So why don't we ask the FC to see if they have a record of this.

Obs

[redsocks]

Lets suppose for a moment that a tree was 'knocked' over.
Having a friend who worked in Rendlesham Forest, i know there will be two types of 'fell'
Pulled up by the roots or cut.
If the tree was knocked over it was either pushed over exposing its roots or it broke and fell over.
This would not be a clean cut from the chain saw but a splintered fracture. I wonder if Halt took any samples of the tree damage for forensic examination especially as they are claiming an alien craft knocked it over? Well there could have been some fender paint on the tree.

Either way the Forestry workers are going to notice this when they return to work and the foreman would report this unofficial felling/damage to the manager. Granted they may not see it for a few days but they eventually will. Extensive and Unexplained tree damage was taken very seriously because they were worth money as their main customer was the building trade. I am not confusing this with Halts remark that he saw a few branches broken off and scuff marks in the bark.
So why don't we ask the FC to see if they have a record of this.

Obs

Obs, The area where the incident happened has been cleared of trees etc,there are various placed in the forest where clearing has been done.This was one of the first things I noticed when looking into the incident,I spoke with a FC lady in the wooden building near the picnic site who was actually there the time of the incident.When I asked why trees had been cleared in the incident area she explained that it was normal to clear certain area's of the forest to let sunlight in,after that I never read anything into why certain areas had been cleared,again there may or may not have been a significant reason for this.Nice to see some positive ideas on the incident posted recently,like I have said before others will have the key to this story,Bustinza seeing the same in Alaska is very interesting,where is this Bustinza guy does he ever show any interest in the incident nowdays.

Redsocks

[puddlepirate]

I have just carefully re-read Ian R's meticulous transcript of the Halt tape and nowhere does it mention a tree being knocked over. It mentions branches being broken off but not a tree being knocked down. So where has that come from?