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[arvd]

Nice one Jim ! This forum is dead. That's proof of the pudding !.

[AgentAppleseed]

In my opinion; Jim Penniston did the right thing releasing the codes. JP and JB, have been around this thing long enough now, to be able to gauge peoples reactions to information, prior to its release. Im sure JP knew in advance; what way the codes would be received by the public.
To some, the codes have destroyed the credibility of the case! To others, they have simply made things more interesting. Whatever your opinion is, your entitled to it, however; people should refrain from criticizing Jim Penniston, and others, into the ground, just because, what was released, was not what they wanted to hear. It seems; that for every kind thing thats said about JP,JB,LW or CH, theres a barrage of criticism leveled at them to make up for it. And why? As they say themselves; JP and others, are only trying to understand what happened to them!!! On that level, this is not about the rest of us!!! Whats so hard to understand about that? Why cant people accept whats released on that basis alone??? You dont have to believe it, but you dont have to criticize it either! It seems many people would have been happier, if JP had not released the codes at all! I believe that the endless criticism, plays a major role in preventing the entire story from ever seeing the light of day. Personally; Im willing to accept whatever is revealed, and I know that there are other people out there, who feel the same way, so that someday; we will see the entire story brought to light, but until then, left to their own devices, people will do what they do best, each to their own! I know Ill be listening anyway, and appreciative of the effort put in, by all involved.

[WizardofOdd]

I fear the RFI has well and truly 'jumped the shark' and taken a few 'names' with it

[marantz]

KEEP drinking the Kool Aid Appleseed.

[AgentAppleseed]

As I said; each to their own!
I think the guys are doing a great job, and long may they continue to do so! Kudos to Gordy, Dave Kelly, and everyone else from the U.K, who do their bit to help them out too!

[ramsrc]

I fear the RFI has well and truly 'jumped the shark' and taken a few 'names' with it

What is actually quite interesting about the RFI is that every so often there is a resurgence of interest, followed by a revelation, followed by howls of derision and then a period of silence before the cycle repeats itself.

Maybe that's just coincidence, but on the other hand maybe certain theories are getting too close for comfort in some quarters. On the one hand, that's probably far too conspiratorial, but on the other, it might be interesting to go over past instances where this has happened and re-examine some of the theories being put forth at those times.

We'll have to wait and see if this has really "nuked the fridge". Either way, I really admire all of the witnesses for standing up and having the guts to say what they believe happened to them. To do that, knowing that you are going to be disbelieved and probably even ridiculed isn't an easy decision.

[Daniel]

What is actually quite interesting about the RFI is that every so often there is a resurgence of interest, followed by a revelation, followed by howls of derision and then a period of silence before the cycle repeats itself.

Maybe that's just coincidence, but on the other hand maybe certain theories are getting too close for comfort in some quarters. On the one hand, that's probably far too conspiratorial, but on the other, it might be interesting to go over past instances where this has happened and re-examine some of the theories being put forth at those times.

We'll have to wait and see if this has really "nuked the fridge". Either way, I really admire all of the witnesses for standing up and having the guts to say what they believe happened to them. To do that, knowing that you are going to be disbelieved and probably even ridiculed isn't an easy decision.

I agree that this is more than likely just another slow period. We've just had a month worth of frustration and confusion, myself included, which may have scared a few people away. There are always new people becoming interested in this topic, whom will share their views, that will lead to repeated discussions of all the other theories.

This 'binary code' story isn't a large leap as I first imagined, in which I thank NCF1 in pointing me to where it has been mentioned in the past.

[AgentAppleseed]

Maybe that's just coincidence, but on the other hand maybe certain theories are getting too close for comfort in some quarters. On the one hand, that's probably far too conspiratorial, but on the other, it might be interesting to go over past instances where this has happened and re-examine some of the theories being put forth at those times.

Im not talking about you ramsrc, but I think maybe some people on here, harbor all the wrong suspicions, about all the wrong people, and all the wrong theories. Meanwhile; the ones who deserve suspicion; are lauded for their "skepticism", which in essence; amounts to nothing more than an excuse for cynicism, criticism, and sniping. I don`t want to get caught up; in the "skepticism", that goes on here. The only problem I had with the codes, was with the way they were presented on Ancient Aliens. Did any of that, have anything to do with the R.F.I? At first I thought it did. I was wrong, and I still don`t know for sure; whether it did, or not! Very confusing! Besides that, in my opinion; JP has been honest, and released; what he felt he had too, no matter how it made him look to others. From what Ive seen of screen shots of the code in the notebook, it looks on the level, and the fact that there are mistakes in the code, gives me the impression that it was written down; when it was supposed to have been, and in the fashion that has been described. However; too much has been made, of what little information we have; on the codes. Why is all the attention being directed at the codes alone?? Maybe what happened in the field last Christmas is too close to the bone for some people! What happened in the field, last Christmas seems to me, at least AS important, if not, more so, and as far as Im concerned; JBs article on EM, is a good place to start, if, of course; people want to continue looking for an explanation for what happened in 1980. IF the R.F.I occurred, as a result of a military incident, then it involved an experiment which either directly, or indirectly; interacted with some kind of energy, that is located, at times, within that field, or in the general area. Either way; it seems to me; that If people cant accept that part of it, then they are only looking for an explanation which suits themselves, and are not being honest about wanting to find THE explanation.

[arvd]

RFI is an addiction for people.

[WizardofOdd]

IF the R.F.I occurred, as a result of a military incident, then it involved an experiment which either directly, or indirectly; interacted with some kind of energy, that is located, at times, within that field, or in the general area. Either way; it seems to me; that If people cant accept that part of it, then they are only looking for an explanation which suits themselves, and are not being honest about wanting to find THE explanation.

I have no problem with the energy theory, RF seems to be a 'hotspot' for paranormal activity - which could as simply be the effects of natural geological forces on the mind/environment etc, but when it gets to the point of having binary sequences that point to Google Maps specific co-ordinates etc etc etc then I don't really see how it can do anything other than harm the alien hypothesis ?

So let me ask you, AA, why are you so convinced that this *has* to be an extra terrestrial encounter? At this point in time it is seeming even less likely then ever. Not having a dig, BTW, just wondering why anyone who dares to voice the opinion that what emerged at the 30th is highly improbably is suddenly the bogey man? Not accepting some of the evidence doesn't mean that *nothing* happened.

[AgentAppleseed]

Wizard, your asking for my opinion so here it is; I dont think it was an alien encounter, and have never claimed that I believe it was. I have no problem with the alien theory, and dont rule it out, but I think that the people at the center of this issue, are the best ones to voice an opinion on what it was, and I go by what they say, because they were there, and interacted with it. Time travelers? If thats the impression they got, then I wouldnt rule it out. I only want to see the real truth come out. Im not a close encounters fan, or a fan of the movie E.T, not that I think theres anything wrong with that stuff either. Its just that I dont believe the real thing, is anything like; what is depicted in those movies. Instead of wanting it to be real, I think its more a case of it being just our luck, that it is real, if you understand what I mean by that. Basically what Im trying to say is that I think that there is a very dark side to it. I also think the time travel theory is more likely than the E.T theory. UFOs are only half a hobby to me. They arent even a full pass-time if you know what I mean. However, I am interested in them, and very much interested in this particular incident. As regards whatever the real nature of what is seen; It may even be something stranger, than either of those two hypothesis, and I dont rule anything out. I keep an open mind on it, although I do have some ideas on what the technology is.

The bogey man! LoL. I dont mind if a person doesnt accept a particular piece of evidence! Thats not what bothers me. As Ive said before, everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want to believe. What I object too, is when people are run into the ground, criticized endlessly, sniped, tarred and feathered, and crucified, the way the people at the center of this issue have been. Its simply not right! Thats the bottom line! I dont know what else to say about it, other than that. I mean, why does John Burroughs receive anonymous messages on FB designed to intimidate him? Can you tell me why? All I know is; the people that do that, are spineless, ball-less, gutter-sniping cowards, and thats being kind! Why do people have to criticize endlessly over the tiny part of the code we got to see? Why was there a need to go Berzerk over it? I understand confusion, but I dont understand the need to criticize endlessly. Im not judging people over it! Im not giving out about it now! I just dont see the point, thats all, and when it gets out of hand, I feel I have to chime in. Its frustrating to me, to see them have to go through all that. I dont know how long youve been following this thing, but in my life, Ive never seen people behave themselves the way they do around this issue! And the last month has been no exception. Thats all I have to say about it really. Hope this helps.

[Ignis Fatuus]

AA
What I object too, is when people are run into the ground, criticized endlessly, sniped, tarred and feathered, and crucified, the way the people at the center of this issue have been. Its simply not right!

It's all a matter of perspective innit? IMO the events of December 1980 are at the center of this issue. But there are people who were there at the time and very soon after, to whom, it was a non-issue. I'm willing to take the original witness statements at face value...which solved the puzzle almost in their own words. I realise Jim's outclause is a sanitized excuse, but wouldn't that mean he lied to Uncle Sam and the USAF?

Nowdays it's more to do with Supply and Demand. Thirty years later via Google Earth is hardly the center of the issue.

Don't worry about them AA, they're all big boys and they can look after themselves. Funny how it works eh. Some of the people who only pitch in for the purpose of giving Ian the bash, are the first to cry foul when their Heroes are challenged. Yet Ian has provided a map for people to chart their way through the Incident. Not only will you arrive at your destination with your sanity intact - you would have learnt something about your fellow Humans along the way. Oh...and it won't cost you a cent.

[AgentAppleseed]

First off, Ignis, I think perspectives have been a little bit one sided, for far too long, for my liking. Also, as I said before, I believe that the criticism plays a major part in the fact, that the entire story has still not come to light! Its not nice to see anyone criticized endlessly, including Ian. I hope Ian sees it the same way! When I first joined this forum, I was angry, and it was the first point I wanted to make. Its become somewhat of a broken record at this stage, like a lot of things on here. However there never has been any real sense of justice, or balance in this subject to begin with. UFO witnesses have always been easy targets, despite the fact that theres no excuse whatsoever for attacking them, something which; it seems, no one likes to be reminded of! I dont like the skeptic versus believer approach, because it doesnt work! It hasnt worked for fifty/sixty years, and never will! Debating this issue, is the equivalent of debating a car crash!
As regards me pitching in, you are one to talk about that. When I first joined this forum, as I said; I was angry about all of the above. Then I tried to pitch in ideas, that I hoped would be discussed, and maybe there might be a little forward progress. I like to look at things, and hear other peoples ideas, on what they think, without having it dismissed outright, belittled, or just ignored. Im interested in what everyone has to say, no matter who, or what they are, or do for a living. Unfortunately, I realised rather quickly, that it just doesnt work like that. If myself, and other people who have come and gone on here, didnt have to spend all our time, dealing with all the B.S a person has to deal with, on this forum, to include debating in circles, and defending yourself, or others, against trite remarks, and comments, then maybe some folks might learn a little more about your fellow human beings, that come and go, on here, from time to time! I dont understand everything about my fellow man, but Im doing my best here! Whenever I come onto this forum, and debate, "sucesfully" or otherwise, I feel Im now a part of the problem, rather than a part of the solution. To me at least, that says a lot. So youll have to forgive me, if it seems to you that I dont pitch in anymore, unless its to "bash Ian". I havent "bashed Ian" for a while now. However unfortunately, sometimes its necessary to remind other people, yet again; that the finger can be pointed both ways! Of course, like debate, it seems rather pointless at this stage, because; as usual, no ones listening!

[John Burroughs]

AA
What I object too, is when people are run into the ground, criticized endlessly, sniped, tarred and feathered, and crucified, the way the people at the center of this issue have been. Its simply not right!

It's all a matter of perspective innit? IMO the events of December 1980 are at the center of this issue. But there are people who were there at the time and very soon after, to whom, it was a non-issue. I'm willing to take the original witness statements at face value...which solved the puzzle almost in their own words. I realise Jim's outclause is a sanitized excuse, but wouldn't that mean he lied to Uncle Sam and the USAF?

Nowdays it's more to do with Supply and Demand. Thirty years later via Google Earth is hardly the center of the issue.

Don't worry about them AA, they're all big boys and they can look after themselves. Funny how it works eh. Some of the people who only pitch in for the purpose of giving Ian the bash, are the first to cry foul when their Heroes are challenged. Yet Ian has provided a map for people to chart their way through the Incident. Not only will you arrive at your destination with your sanity intact - you would have learnt something about your fellow Humans along the way. Oh...and it won't cost you a cent.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill

[Deep Purple]

The bottom line with this one is the story is dead.
If people really wanted to prove it was some ET or other Mystic event, the really need to prove this beyond all reasonable doubt for it to be credible. The same standard or proof as in a criminal court.
In a court case where siginificant evidence has been knowingly witheld it will usually collapse the case, as has happened here.
As I have said many times on this forum there is only one truth about the RFI. But just look at the complete variation in stories by some of the witnesses, down to even who was actually there.
So some one is not telling a correct version of events--- it must be so.
I think you can thrash around with this one for ages again but I doubt whether you will get any where.
I would like to also confirm to forum members I am not a member of the security services, have no connection whatsoever to them, and I have never made any money out the RFI or any other commercial interest conected to it.
There will no doubt be those who will "Dis" what I have said and ramble on, we have allways had forum members good at that!, but I would look into to your hearts and consider reality. Lastly I am not connected to Ian Ridpath or David Clarke

Quote from Taggart " Only a fool and a bosun whistle"

[John Burroughs]

The bottom line with this one is the story is dead.
If people really wanted to prove it was some ET or other Mystic event, the really need to prove this beyond all reasonable doubt for it to be credible. The same standard or proof as in a criminal court.
In a court case where siginificant evidence has been knowingly witheld it will usually collapse the case, as has happened here.
As I have said many times on this forum there is only one truth about the RFI. But just look at the complete variation in stories by some of the witnesses, down to even who was actually there.
So some one is not telling a correct version of events--- it must be so.
I think you can thrash around with this one for ages again but I doubt whether you will get any where.
I would like to also confirm to forum members I am not a member of the security services, have no connection whatsoever to them, and I have never made any money out the RFI or any other commercial interest conected to it.
There will no doubt be those who will "Dis" what I have said and ramble on, we have allways had forum members good at that!, but I would look into to your hearts and consider reality. Lastly I am not connected to Ian Ridpath or David Clarke

Quote from Taggart " Only a fool and a bosun whistle"

Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
John F. Kennedy

[John Burroughs]

KEEP drinking the Kool Aid Appleseed.

Don't worry when you are not recognized, but strive to be worthy of recognition.
Abraham Lincoln

[Deep Purple]

JB

"Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
John F. Kennedy"

"res ipsa loquitor"

[John Burroughs]

JB

"Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
John F. Kennedy"


"res ipsa loquitor"

There are some people who, if they don't already know, you can't tell 'em.
Yogi Berra

[arvd]

JB

"Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
John F. Kennedy"


"res ipsa loquitor"

There are some people who, if they don't already know, you can't tell 'em.
Yogi Berra

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