Underground Facility?????

[Wolf]

I have heard numerous stories from people who have friends who's tennis partners, dog walkers, accountants second cousin used to work in the underground facility at Bentwaters. As yet none of the afore named people have actually came up with any evidence or an exact location of any of the entrances?

Can we kill off this rumour or does someone actually have any evidence or at least possibly provide me with a location (privately if you wish).

Surely the SP's or fire teams would have known this information, or at least people who wrote and ran the EA protocols. If it was that important it would have been secured...

If anyone can give me the start of some good evidence I can provide them with info which may help jog their memory regarding locations etc.

Personally I don't believe there was any underground facility of any significance, but hey someone please prove me wrong.....

V/R

Wolf

[Observer]

Wolf

I visited the Bentwaters Cold WAr Museum last year and put this very question to Graham Haynes who is one of the museums curators. Grahan knows every square inch of that base and he took me on a guided tour of the base and said there was no underground facility as described by our RFI witnesses, he showed me the locked door in the command centre that Georgin Bruni claimed was an entrance. it was an entrance TO A STORES ROOM. Graham answered this question on the forum a couple of years ago.
Try asking Graham yourself and we can invite him to put an answer on the forum again for our newer members.
Obs

[Gordy]

Although the MoD sold the base back to the Kemball's some years ago,there are parts that were retained by the MoD and neither Kemball or anyone else is authorised to have access to this land. It is authorised personel only. Make's you wonder why this is so. FYI even though the USAF left the base in '93, I have scene US military pickups w/mil license plates on Bentwaters in recent times. There are roumers of tunnels with train track linking WB, BW and Bawdsey manor, but I don't think even Brenda has found concrete evidence (and I don't mean to be rude but Brenda arguably knows this forest better than anyone - civilian that is who is not privy to classified information, I'm sure there are Civil Servants in Whitehall who know some rather interesting facts we would all like to know!) although there are people out there, like you say who claim to have been down there. We hope to get some of these people to our free speech talk on Sept 10.

[Observer]

Gordy

I was taken round the control tower, the WSA, the old command centre and a few other buildings. We went in the old nuclear bomb storage bunkers plus the more recent command centre which is where the museum is based. There were no areas out of bounds when I went round, but there again, my guide may have broken a few rules. I do know that the UK Government has a 'claw' back policy on the base in time of extreme emergency.
When I lived in the area I had many friends on both bases and spent many happy hours shooting clays at the Rod N Gun club.
Woodbridge is still in the MoD's hands and I heard a rumour that they wanted to base the F-35 there when we get them but this may have been dropped in recent defence cuts. It would be good if you can get some British people to talk about their experiences at the twin bases. As for a tunnel linking the twin bases, that sounds a bit fancifull and a bit of an old wives tale if you ask me.
Go and have a chat with Graham Haynes at the museum, he is usually there on a Sunday. Ask him about the tunnel, he will burst out laughing. I have to honest and admit that its a intriguing thought if there was such a tunnel, one wonders for what. Underground alien space ship hanger, get outa here.
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[Wolf]

I know there are a few underground rooms (been in one), but as I said personally I don't believe there was any underground facility of any significance as I have never seen any evidence .

But hey its a UFO story, and there is a lot of the story that has no basis in fact. Right, back to my BBQ.

V/R

Wolf

[Gordy]

I have an article somewhere describing tunnels that are under the BW/WB bases that are easily wide enough for vehicles to drive along. If I can find it, it has the name of someone who has been in them. Back in the mid ninties someone who will remain nameless found a bunch of keys on BW. This was not long after the Air Force left and apparently, what was left behind was staggering, personal documents w/names & social security numbers on, maps, plans of the base and so on. One particular key fitted the Photo Lab building close to the Wattisden Valley gate (known as the Back Gate). Upon entry to this building it was noted by those present that the floor had been relaid and sealed. I understand Larry mentioned this building after his de-breifing. Had a nuclear war broken out back then, I figure there would be a need to move people, equipment and weapons subterraineously around the base. A geophysical survey might throw up an answer.

[Observer]

Gordy

If you read the article "A Summery and Perspective" in the archives, it mentions there that some local gossip said a tunnel connected both bases. However, a mate of mine who was a British electrical contractor assigned to both bases for general electrical repair and maintenance around the airfields of Woodbridge and Bentwaters, told me he had never ever seen any avidence of excavation any where and with a tunnel that HUGE and that long, the amount of contractors equipment would be as much as you would see on the road widening projects on the M-25 or channel tunnel construction. Think about it, you don't do that in secret with out it getting out, its far to big to keep quiet.

It was known by NATO that the twin bases were prime targets by the Russians if it kicked off. They worked to the worse case scenario that the bases would ne nuked and any form of under ground bunkers were considered ineffective. There were under ground air rade bunkers dotted arround but not much else. The twin bases were looked upon by the US DoD at the height of the cold war as the suicide postings.

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[Wolf]

I think the phrase you are looking for is a "Disposable Asset".

Wolf

[AdrianF]

There is an overgrown bunker, directly east of East Gate. It has a small door, which appears to have a small access hatch behind it. I suspect it is connected with the fuel supply lines which must criss cross the area. Maybe it leads to Dr Evils secret underground base, but unless anybody has the key?

[Observer]

Adrian

Just speak to Graham Haynes re the under ground bunkers/areas. Most were service areas for the fuel systems that was piped in from, not sure where. There is a sort of national grid system of fuel supply pipes and the MoD probably has the network plans but I doubt very much they would release them to the public because of the anti terrorist laws in place at the moment.
Peter

[Ignis Fatuus]

[Wolf]

There is a sort of national grid system of fuel supply pipes and the MoD probably has the network plans but I doubt very much they would release them to the public because of the anti terrorist laws in place at the moment.

The system is called GPSS. If you look on pages 14 & 15 you can see a map of the piplines http://www.linewatch.co.uk/pdf/SpecReq_Jan06.pdf . The route of the pipes is marked, and easy to spot when you're out and about if you know what to look for. The map was never top sectret from what I remember, but it wasn't publicised that it was available.

I also believe their used to be a pipeline from Melton station to RAF Woodbridge which was used to pump the fuel for th FIDO systems during WWII.

V/R

Wolf

[Observer]

I take it then that the fuel came in by train to Melton and from their it was piped to the coast.

What do you know about Churchill's request during the WW-2 that areas near the coast especially wooded areas were to have chemicals or chemical weapons stored under ground ready for use against any invasion by the Germans. Its rumoured that Rendlesham Forest was one such place. I think puddlepirate did some good research on this.

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[Gordy]

There is an overgrown bunker, directly east of East Gate. It has a small door, which appears to have a small access hatch behind it. I suspect it is connected with the fuel supply lines which must criss cross the area. Maybe it leads to Dr Evils secret underground base, but unless anybody has the key?

Thats something to do with the FIDO system they had out there to disperse fog.

[Deep Purple]

I think the likely hood is there is not an underground bunker--- but if an airman was drugged ( LSD) for example and taken hooded to a darkened aircraft hanger or weapons storage bay, would they know the difference. Also they may have been taken off base and there must have been some nuclear proof bunkers closer to london.
I have been around the perimeter roads of such an establishment in Hampshire ( East Dean) where the Navy stored ammo etc and it was all dug in to a large hillside
So these type of facilities do exist

[John Burroughs]

Look there was a underground area or basement under the Wing Intell area..

[larry warren]

somthing is underground, where mind control stuff went on, or someone went to alot of trouble to make some of us think we were underground, also this aspect came out years before ufo pop culture got onto the underground base thing, keep hunting boys !

[Ignis Fatuus]

or someone went to alot of trouble to make some of us think we were underground

Your hypnotist?

[andi67]

Please forgive my newb status here. Im just starting to research RFI and cant help wondering if by the very nature that these facilities were secret, the meaning of the word secret would indicate that people werent suppose to know they existed, or where they were. Point being that secret underground facilities were exactly that, secret. Unless the area is brought privately and opened up, we will never truly know whats there or where its suppose to be. Best guess would be some sort of facility would be underground very near there.

Take for example :

Kelvedon hatch- secret nuclear bunker, many levels , holds lots of staff, many uses. Was very secret.

I guess time will out on this one, just like the rest of this case.

[Observer]

I had a look round Kelvedon Hatch last year. It was one of several places that the Government could function from during a nuclear war.

You need to speak to Graham Haynes who helps run the Bentwaters Cold War Museum at Bentwaters. They are housed in the old command bunker and its open to the public on most Sundays. He has a vast knowledge of Bentwaters realestate and when I asked him about an under ground facility, he said he had never seen or heard of one in the years he has been there. This is not to say there isn't one, but its yet to be discovered.

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