Stephen Ignis and Ian

[John Burroughs]

I'm posting this away from the Lt Buren thread so it won't get mixed up in what he has to say. Its interesting Stephen you used the word witch hunt I'm glad you did! I'm also glad you stated we were living a lie also.You also stated your not sure what happened to us. You might want to check out the laws they have in the UK about statements you made! You see you can't back those statements up and there is something Jim and I can do about that! You Stated Conde stated nothing happened yet he was not out there and had a meltdown which Ian failed to post. You also stated Conrad said nothing happened well did you read the whole letter or did you miss the part where he said at the end of the day he is not sure what happened even used the word ET. Last time I checked Armold is no where to be found but I hope he show up. Jim and I have always hoped we could get a officer to come on the forum because we have many questions we would like answered! We are being straight foreword on what we saw and reported happening and as you can see Lt Col Buran now has some tough questions to answer. He is now in a position like what happened in the Movie a few good men. And as Jim has posted we have offered several times to meet Ian in the Forrest on the 28th which he has refused. We even asked him to come on with us on a radio show we did, again he refused! You love taking shots at us and making it personal but at the end of the day you have no Idea what happened to us. Whats even better Stephen and Ignis you have never even been out in the Forrest And last but not least I love the part where you stated the Halt tape was made up. H mm I sure hope you have some proof!!

[stephan]

Its interesting Stephen you used the word witch hunt I'm glad you did! I'm also glad you stated we were living a lie also.You also stated your not sure what happened to us. You might want to check out the laws they have in the UK about statements you made! You see you can't back those statements up and there is something Jim and I can do about that!

John ....... you can't be serious, are you ? Plz take a look at my statements again and you'll find that it's all about opinion, hypothesis and possibilities. I use the word ''if'' quite often. There is no need to threaten me or Ian or Ignis. What I think about the Halt tape is my OPINION! And btw, there are many many other people out there on the net who use much more drastic words than me: liars, frauds, crooks, hoaxers and whatnot. What do you want to do, do you want to sue them all ? That's life. If there is no direct proof for the (partly extraordinary and incredible) claims being made you have to either live with it or prove what you say is true. I don't demand any proof from you but it must be allowed to evaluate the available information and to have an opinion and to come to one's own conclusions.

As Ian once said, he always considered you a civil mannered person. I consider you this way, too as I believe that you are simply overwrought at the moment (which I can absolutely understand as there are currently so many people saying so many things at the same time) and that's probably the reason why you react in the way you just did. Please don't let the current wave of criticism influence your well-being. If everything you claim is true and if you are certain about what you have experienced there's no need to worry. I have my opinion which is that I strongly doubt that what you saw was unwordly (to avoid the word ET which you said you never used) - at least in regard to the original witness statements - and I also say why. But it's just an opinion and if you know you're right then I'm wrong and vice versa. And if I think that you may have made (some) things up that's also an opinion. I don't state it as fact.

As for the proof which I don't demand from you it may still be something you might end the whole criticism with: Larry says that films of the landed craft were made and that the film rolls were taken by a high ranking officer (I believe it was Gordon Williams but I'd have to look that up). So if I were you I'd undertake every effort to obtain that footage! It would probably end the discussion once and for all and moreover it would show to the world that the RFI is truly Britain's Roswell and maybe even bigger than that

[John Burroughs]

Stephen
Trust me I'm not making threats! I also have never made any extraordinary or Incredible claims. I have stated what I saw and what happened to me. The tape Halt made was real and I'm under no stress. The tapes taken away were the radio transmission and some still pictures. Were glad Buren is on its his turn to answer some tough questions just like in the movie a few good men. I'm well aware what you have implied and Jim and I will be taking appropriate action... And were not doing this to take away from Buren being on here. Were sick and tired of the 3 of you running your mouths and its time something is done about it. Admin please don't allow any of those post the 3 of them have made to be removed!!

[stephan]

yeah, just go ahead John. I'm curious to see what that appropiate action will be

[stephan]

I also have never made any extraordinary or Incredible claims.

Scroll to 19.00 minutes - watch it and then later we can have a civil debate about hypnosis - as I am familiar with the subject.

so what you say under hypnosis doesn't count ? I mean if what you say there is NOT extraordinary und incredible then what is ? Just wondering

[John Burroughs]

Stephen
You will soon find out we have to wait until we get to the UK to take care of business at hand! As far as the Hypnois goes I have been very careful it stating what has come out under Hypnois and what has not. Keep talking Stephen you making this very easy for us!!

[Ignis Fatuus]

Will your Teddy Bears Picnic be the end of it, or will I have to buy the DVD or the book or a subscription?
Con-jobs are always the first to suggest litigation so no surprises there.
You say you've been careful with what you've been saying...I call it slippery.
Fingers crossed it aint pelting down huh.

[stephan]

Keep talking Stephen

that you can be sure of. I have a right to express my opinion and neither you or anyone can take it away from me

[John Burroughs]

Yes you do Stephan but you have crossed the line so time will tell. Ignis H mm con man wow little man syndrome again!!

[Ignis Fatuus]

Ha ha..it's only the top two inches that count. No reply regarding The Return to Redlesham DVD & Flying Lighthouse Tee-shirts though. The cynic in me thinks that's why you've been collecting souls on FaceBook.

[stephan]

Yes you do Stephan but you have crossed the line so time will tell.

which line ... the line of truth ? As you say, time will tell

[John Burroughs]

Nice try Stephen......

[John Burroughs]

Ignis
The interesting thing is people have shown interest in the T-shirts its just finding the time to put it together. Since the press release that were coming over was released Conde, Armold and Buren have come forword. Were coming over on the 28th to where it all happened show up if its the lighthouse or patrol car or its so easy to see we could be fooled everybody who is there will see that. Pool your money bring Buren over have him show how we were fooled. Ian has been in the Forrest have him show us how we were fooled! Show up and prove what your saying is true!!

[Ignis Fatuus]

If I was on the other side of the Planet I would indeed turn up. Believe it or not I hope you have a good turnout and the weather comes to the party with conditions as close to the night that changed your life. The Cold War Museum would be a place I'd like to have a look at as well. But the very moment when you all will be trekking in the cold dark forest, I'll be either getting some sun on my bum on the beach or at the racetrack watching the Summer Series Motorcycle comp.

Please try and recreate your original movements as accurately as possible. Pity we can't organise a fireball for you...but you never know.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Has this ever crossed your mind - Your hypnosis didn't take you back to 1980...it took you to 2010. Serendipity. Haha...LHC ripple.
BTW..an old friend says hi and is looking forward to seeing you again, and invites you to stop in this time, for a ride on the real Orfordness Time Machine.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Like wouldn't it be a cool twist if it was You that you were looking for in 1980. Timeloop. Spooky Britain throws them curveballs sometimes eh.

[Admin]

I'm well aware what you have implied and Jim and I will be taking appropriate action... And were not doing this to take away from Buren being on here. Were sick and tired of the 3 of you running your mouths and its time something is done about it. Admin please don't allow any of those post the 3 of them have made to be removed!!

Stephen
You will soon find out we have to wait until we get to the UK to take care of business at hand!

John, I hope you are not implying you will take legal action against Stephan, or any other posters. If you are planning to, I need to make a few points:

• This website is not hosted in the United Kingdom.
• Before the said case could proceed, I would be sent a cease-and-desist letter requesting that the offending posts are removed.
• If I agreed to remove the posts, the case would be closed.

[larry warren]

John, as a friend please dont let it get to you, and thats coming from me, the Lawyers are the only winners in the world !
if i went after every one that has slandered me id be now living in a box ! JUST TAKE CARE OF BUSSINESS friend ! you will be the winner !

[stephan]

I'm well aware what you have implied and Jim and I will be taking appropriate action... And were not doing this to take away from Buren being on here. Were sick and tired of the 3 of you running your mouths and its time something is done about it. Admin please don't allow any of those post the 3 of them have made to be removed!!

Stephen
You will soon find out we have to wait until we get to the UK to take care of business at hand!

John, I hope you are not implying you will take legal action against Stephan, or any other posters. If you are planning to, I need to make a few points:

• This website is not hosted in the United Kingdom.
• Before the said case could proceed, I would be sent a cease-and-desist letter requesting that the offending posts are removed.
• If I agreed to remove the posts, the case would be closed.

I may remind you of the freedom of speech which should also be applicable in the UK, right ?

The right to freedom of speech is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The ICCPR recognizes the right to freedom of speech as "the right to hold opinions without interference. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression."[1][2] Furthermore freedom of speech is recognized in European, inter-American and African regional human rights law.

And I can't see any hate speech or pornography in my statements. So if my posts are removed I'd consider it as censorship.

[larry warren]

Personally, i dont think there is enough pornography with Rendlesham? but hey , im into that sort of thing.