Lighthouse Theory

[bignos]

After visiting the site and actually seeing the lighthouse, it looked like a ...... lighthouse. There is no way that it could be confused with anything else.
The forest is also very dense (not sure if it was in 1980) and was very hard to see through it in daylight let alone at night.

[Observer]

Bignose

The great storm of 87 flattened Rendlesham forest as it did near by Tunstall forest. After the forest was cleared of all the fallen trees, it was re planted with new Douglas and Corsican pines. The lay out and logging paths were not quite in the same places as they were pre storm so it will be hard to get an accurate picture of where the alleged landing sites were and just where the light house could be viewed from, if at all.
This info was given to me by a retired forestestry commission warden and his wife who my family were friends with.

Further to this, I used to go night shooting with high powered quartz halogen spot lamps [roosting pheasant, and yes it was poaching but they tasted good] in Rendlesham forest at night with a mate in the late 70's early 80's and I can honestly say I never once saw any beams of light from the light house come into the forest.

Hope this helps?
Obs

[bignos]

thanks Obs, thats quite helpful! but you agree that if you saw it then you would know that is was a lighthouse?

[Observer]

Bignose

Re your question, I guess so, but if you read some of Puddlepirates posts, he explains quite well how hard it is to see the light house from Rendlesham forest. You really need to stand in the field to see it and even then between the break in some trees on the horizon. When you do see it, its just a tiny dot of light in the distance. The arguments about the light house have raged for years and I cannot see a definitive resolvement.

What I do advocate and have done for several years is, some thing happened in that wood that has yet to be explained and I favour an event/incident/accident/black op call it what you will, caused by man rather than anything extra terrestrial. I also suggest that over the 3 nights, 3 seperate incidents/actions took place, one led on to the next but they may or may not be related [who knows]. Only those who were there lumped them all together as one incident.

Obs

[bignos]

im open to any theory, but the lighthouse looks like a no go to me... i must admit some kind of secret test seems reasonable, choose a time of night that is the quietest plus a time of year that is likely to have the least amount of people about....

[Observer]

It was Ian Ridpath who first proposed the light house theory and he has been ridiculed ever since. However, I'm of the opinion that he is half right, in as much that the winking light every 5 seconds that Lt Col Halt described was probably the light house [goodness knows where he was standing at the time to see it] amongst other lights that were seen on those nights.

The RFI is possitively over flowing with theories and has been since the forum started. Some were/are just crazy and some, well lets just say have supporting evidence, some more than others. I have a short list of theories/scenarios, but there is no way I'm going to publish them on this forum due to the nasty and threatening posts I recieved last time I offered up some ideas that were more down to earth than some people wanted them to be.

Obs

[WizardofOdd]

Well, as far as I'm concerned, Andrew Pike and Ian Ridpath, between them, have provided a pretty plausible scientific explanation. We know that the radiation readings weren't significant, neither were the markings on the trees (not least to a UFO hypothesis), and that the glowing farmhouse window mystery has been solved. What that leaves is Halt's recorded account of lights in the forest (the only first hand evidence we have)... and an ensuing chaotic chain of reporting/investigation.

[Observer]

Don't forget that all the initial statements including Halt's subsequent memo only mentiones lights seen.

OBS

[FMG]

There's a good article by Andrew Pike in the UFO Matrix magazine Rendlesham special issue. As he says a few thousand words won't do his full report (Rendlesham File) justice but it's good anyway. Shame he retired. I also believe his brother died just a few weeks before the 30th anniversary, the one who worked at LWT at the time of the Rendlesham Strange but True programmes.

[Observer]

FMG

I had a chat with Andrew Pike a couple of years ago and I asked him if he could sum up the incident in no more than a sentence. He said, look at stealth technology and microwave technology. Thats all he would say.
I'm not sure what to make of that because i'm not sure how far hose industries had progressed in that technology in1980.

Hope that helps.

Obs

[Pluton]

I think like yourself Observer he got fed up with forums and members attitudes whenever he tried to help. I only jump back in here again after years away to put the record straight as I spoke with him many times. He called this the Rendlesham Revolving Door Incident. I notice it is revolving again on another thread as soon as things get interesting!

[WizardofOdd]

There's a good article by Andrew Pike in the UFO Matrix magazine Rendlesham special issue. As he says a few thousand words won't do his full report (Rendlesham File) justice but it's good anyway.

That's the one I really liked. I found it infinitely more plausible than 99% of all the other theories I've read over the years.

[Pluton]

I also read that one. Also the full report. Hardly junk science as the full report lists sources, journals, scientists, patents, technical papers, goverment papers, intelligence files, etc. As a physicist myself it looked fine. At a third of a million words not really a pamphlet either. Probably what gets up Silvertop's nose is he hides behind a username and that cover was blown in said magazine. Hence any mention of it gets him rattled.

[FMG]

With an attitude like that Silvertop not surprising he wants nothing to do with you! Apart from the file size there is probably copyright issues. I see Bruni and Warren"s books are not on the site in full either. And where is Ridpath? Usually if lighthouse and Andrew are mentioned together you are straight on to him to logon and cause trouble. You think there things go unnoticed!

[Ignis Fatuus]

The Lighthouse is but one component of the comedy of errors...but it did fool them.

John Burroughs:
"We climbed over the fence and started heading towards the red
and blue lights and they just disappeared. Once we reached the
farmer's house we could see a beacon going around so we went
towards it. We followed it for about 2 miles before we could
see it was coming from a lighthouse.

Cabansag: While we walked, each one of us would see the lights. Blue, red, white, and yellow. The beckon light turned out to be the yellow light. We would see them periodically, but not In a specific pattern. As we approached, the lights would seem to be at the edge of the forret. We were about 100 meters from the edge of the forrest when I saw a quick movement, it look visible for a moment . It look like it spun XXgXX left a quarter of a turn, then it was gone. I’m advised SSgt Penningston and A1C Borroughs(?). We advised CSC and proceeded In extreme caution. When we got about 75-50 meters, MSgt Chandler/Flight Chief, was on the scene. CSC was not reading our transmissions very well,, so we used MSgt Chandler as a go-between. He remained back at out vehicle. As we entered the forrest, the blue and red lights were not visible anymore. Only the beacon light, was still blinking.

We figured the lights were coming from past the forrest, since nothing was visible when we past through the woody forrest. We would see a glowing near the beacon light, but as we got closer we found It to be a lit up farm house. After we had passed throught the forrest, we thought it had to be an aircraft accident. So did CSC as well. But we ran and walked a good 2 miles past out the vehicle, until we got to a vantage point where we could determine that what we were chasing was X only a beacon light off In the distance. Our route through the forrest and field was a direct one, straight towards the light. We informed CSC that the light beacon was farther than we thought, so CSC terminated our Investigation. A1C Burroughs and I took a road, while SSgt Penningston walked straight back from where we came. A1C Burroughs saw the light again, this time it was coming from the left of us, as we were walking back to our patrol vehicle.”
http://rendlesham-incident.co.uk/evidence

And some stayed fooled:

Lt. Colonel Halt: Strange. One again left. Let’s approach the edge of the woods at that point. Can we do without lights? Let’s do it carefully, come on… OK we’re looking at the thing, we’re probably about 2-3 hundred yards away. It looks like an eye winking at you, it’s still moving from side to side and when we put the star scope on it, it’s sort of a hollow centre right, a dark centre, it’s…
Lt. Englund: It’s like a pupil…
Lt. Colonel Halt: It’s like the pupil of an eye looking at you, winking…and the flash is so bright to the Star scope, err…. it almost burns your eye.
http://rendlesham-incident.co.uk/evidence

It's like Déjà vu all over again

Lt. Colonel Halt: We’ve passed the farmer’s house and are crossing the next field and we now have multiple sightings of up to five lights with a similar shape and all, but they seem steady rather than pulsating a glow with a red flash. We’ve just crossed the creek…

Lt. Colonel Halt: 2.44: We’re at the far side of the farmers, the second farmers field and made sighting again about 110 degrees. This looks clear out to the coast. It’s right on the horizon. Moves about a bit and flashes from time to time. Still steady and red in colour. Also, after negative readings in the field, we’re picking up slight readings 4-5 clicks now on the meter.

Lt. Colonel Halt: 3.05: We see strange err, strobe like flashes to the err … almost sporadic, but there’s definitely something there, some kind of phenomena.
3.05: At about err..10 degrees horizon err directly north, we got two strange objects, err..half moon shape, dancing about with coloured lights on them. but err. it has to be about 5-10 miles out, maybe less. The half moons have now turned into full circles as though there was an e…eclipse or something there for a minute or two.
http://rendlesham-incident.co.uk/evidence

Hmmmm those red and blue lights are a bit of a mystery aren't they? Are they?

Armold: After it was discovered that a lighthouse was out there the
'strangeness' of the lights evaporated. The lights were primarily
white and were very small, far off in the distance. Occasionally
one would see a shade of blue or red but I attribute that to
refraction from stained glass windows in a local church in addition
to the fog and weather at the time. The lights did not move in
erratic fashions nor did they move towards us or act in any manner
which violated the laws of known physics.

ARMOLD: The lights were not from police cars, nor torches, nor
alien space ships. You can bank on that.

EASTON: When you were in the forest that second night, or at any
time afterwards, were those red and blue lights also visible then?

ARMOLD: According to my recollections, there were some lights but
they seem to me to have primarily been a neutral color. I'm certain
there could have been tints of blue or red but nothing striking and
nothing spectacular.
http://web.archive.org/web/200212100837 ... uk/v15.txt

Would Stained Glass windows do that? If not - what else could the red and blue lights be?

James Easton: A significant new contribution to our understanding comes from local researcher Robert McLean. Using the information contained in those witness statements and from Halt's taped recording of proceedings, Robert has recently retraced the route both parties took through the forest.

The 'strange strobe-like flashes' which Robert has now identified
are a 'phenomenon' that can still be seen in the same place as
twenty years ago. I hope to say more about this in due course.

James Easton: It's believed these may have been lights stationed atop the five, tall masts which in 1980 held the 'Cobra Mist' radio antennas.
These are a prominent local landmark on the coast.
http://web.archive.org/web/200212100837 ... uk/v15.txt

Haha Cobra Mist...but in a different light than http://rendlesham-incident.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=684&hilit Clever..
Is James Easton still knocking about? I like the way he sums things up.

Most significantly, those 'red and blue' lights which perplexed
Burroughs, Cabansag and Penniston and resulted in the initial
'UFO', were, according to Penniston, lights originating from a
'craft' that he examined at his leisure, before it 'took off'.

Yet, apparently, unidentified, red and blue lights were still
visible in the distance when Chris Armold later returned to the
vicinity of that same UFO encounter.
http://web.archive.org/web/200212100837 ... uk/v15.txt

Love that coastal Air. Even when it's clear it's hazy.

[Observer]

Pluton

I've been on this forum since day one and its quite strange even funny to see the same old subjects and arguments that we debated years ago coming up again. The forum has not changed much as its still going round in circles. I suggest that the newer members take some time out to read some of the archive threads/subjects where good debate and research took place and you may well find the answer your looking for.

Cheers for now

OBS

[arvd]

Pluton

I've been on this forum since day one and its quite strange even funny to see the same old subjects and arguments that we debated years ago coming up again. The forum has not changed much as its still going round in circles. I suggest that the newer members take some time out to read some of the archive threads/subjects where good debate and research took place and you may well find the answer your looking for.

Cheers for now

OBS

Alternatively, don't waste your time. Spring is here.

[John Burroughs]

By Linda Moulton Howe
Thirty-one years ago in December 1980, mysterious aerial lights, thin beams and a solid black, 9-foot-long, triangular machine that felt like glass were encountered in Rendlesham Forest near the RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge joint American and British air base not far from Woodbridge, England. Former USAF Staff Sgt. James Penniston even dragged his hands over the black, glassy object and touched strange symbols raised from the surface “like Braille.” S/Sgt. Penniston’s touch apparently activated zeros and ones that flooded his mind with binary code while a bright white light blinded his eyes. Sgt. Penniston has been haunted with persistent images and thoughts that he had encountered time travelers on a mission to collect genetic material from Earth.

At approximately the same time on the other side of the world in a Palo Alto, California laboratory, scientists allegedly were working under military control with black, glassy objects identified as “extraterrestrial.” Those objects also had strange symbols. Under certain frequencies somehow generated by the dark objects, invisibility and gravity manipulation occurred as if the solid objects with no moving parts were also self-activating software.

Gravity manipulation by non-human intelligence was also demonstrated in 1988, when a North Carolina homebuilder found himself floating up from his bed through the ceiling into a craft where frequency fields generated 3-dimensional symbols in the air and affected the builder’s mind so he could “read pages of information in what looked like a solid symbol.”

[Open Mind Ed]

Is there a possible link to the Nazi Bell and the Kecksburg Acorn? (stories which are very difficult to establish specific facts about as well)

http://openyoureyesto2012andbeyond.com/ ... %20UFO.jpg

Both are alleged to have strange glyphs surrounding them. And there do seem to be links between all three cases..rumours of anti-gravity and possibly time-warping capabilities in the case of the Bell. The Acorn story also involves witnesses describing molten debris falling off it. Similar to descriptions by Col. Halt?

The only reference I could find on this forum from a search was in this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=672&p=5943&hilit=nazi+bell#p5943

It is not an easy read!

Could this all be some kind of ultra-secret experiment continued after the war into the 60s and advancing on into the 80s and beyond?

[Deep Purple]

It seems unlikely they witnessed a recreation of a Nazi experiment--- there was no indication of a power supply necessary to perform such an event.
Dripping molten viewed through a nightscope is likely to be a hand held flare burning off.
Perhaps by a special forces recovery team?
Does this not seem more likely than some of the more far fetched explanations?