Strange happening in the farmer's field in 1997

[puddlepirate]

As many regular contributors to this forum know, my view on the RFI is that the USAF had an accident with a nuclear weapon or similar device. The device needed to be recovered quickly and covertly and public attention needed to be distracted from the real event (should news of it ever leak out) so the RFI was born. The incident was reported to the MoD, who in turn issued the statement that the RFI was 'of no defence significance' simply because they knew exactly what had occured in Rendlesham forest in Dec 80.

That was my view until Thursday last when, through a mutual interest in unexplained happenings, I met with an author. We had been introduced by my daughter and had spoken on the phone prior to our meeting. What transpired was very interesting indeed. The chap had met with Larry Warren some years ago and in his opinion, LW was an open and honest guy who was telling the truth. Something I believe to be confirmed by LW's body language whenever he is interviewed. He shows none of the usual give away signals of someone making up a story nor has he ever changed his description of what he saw. The issue, of course, is that I have my view and that contradicts with LW's view but LW was there and I was not. That led me to believe there might well have been a convergence of two stories...an accident and a far more exotic event... with the exotic being used to mask the actual. And that was it. There was no hard evidence for either so as far as I was concerened that was the end of the road. Until Thursday.

During my meeting with the author, he revealed that in 1997 whilst investigating the RFI he had paid a nocturnal visit to Rendlesham forest and had crossed the fence into the farmer's field, close to LW's landing site. The field was partly covered with leafed crops but the area between the oak tree and Oak Wood was open ground. He was looking towards the farmer's house when suddenly a huge trianglar craft materialised out of nowhere. It appeared to be in two halves. The much larger top half was a conical / pyramid shape separated by about 12" from the much thinner disc shaped bottom part. The two halves counter rotated, i.e. the top half rotated clockwise and the bottom part anti-clockwise. Only the bottom part displayed any lights and these were bluish in colour. The top part was luminous but hard to describe. There was no noise nor any strange atmospherics. In utter disbelief he advanced towards it but before he reached the object, it vanished just as quickly as it had appeared - as if someone had switched a light off. He was stunned and the only thing he can say is that it could have been a very large hologram. Like LW, he does not expect to be believed but he does not care. He knows what he saw. As with LW, when he was telling this story he showed no signs of making it up and I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him.

The obvious question is, has anyone else ever seen anything at all like that in Rendlesham forest since the 1980 event? And could the ex-Orfordness techies have been playing around with strange, advanced weaponry that could create holograms to fool the enemy into thinking real equipment was on the battlefield? Why they would choose to do that at Rendlesham and not at AWRE or a similar place in the States I have absolutely no idea.

[Wolf]

Interesting post, few questions on this one -

Who was the author? and how many other people witnessed this 'event'.

I think I have the right year for this, but I believe that the leafed crop being grown on Capel Green at the time may have been Canabis (THC free). There were various stories as to why this was being grown at several locations in eastern Suffolk, like bedding for horses, an additive for bank notes, for the manufacture of clothing etc. Not sure which one was the real deal. There were also several people apparently who tried smoking the plants and just ended up being sick.

If anyone was planning to test anything then one of the first thing you would need is observers or monitoring/controls for the test. Surely to test something 'covert' in a field that is overlooked by an occupied farmhouse is a bit odd. OK due to the 'history' of the field it is an easy thing to then pass off any strange lights as " thats just the crazy UFO spotters. What would have been the excuse if someone had a video camera etc.

Discuss....

V/R

Wolf

[time4truth]

What if like Philadelphia Project / montauk events .. there is a PORTAL in Rendlesham Forest. A time/ space rift caused by experiments at Orfordness ie. Over the horizon radar (also called Death Beam- as strenghth of beam uncontrollably HIGH!) Maybe strange phenomener can "come in and out" of our Dimension?? Sounds weird BUT years ago people thought our World was flat!!!...

[puddlepirate]

I can offer absolutely no explanation nor am I going to attempt to. As I said, I believe the USAF had an accident with a nuke and prepared a cover story should details of that accident have ever have leaked out. I have always thought that and it is still my belief. However, given the contradictions in the witness statements and now hearing what this guy said, I suspect that, no matter how peculiar this might be, two totally separate incidents could have occured simultaneously. By pure chance one group, incl LW, saw something very strange indeed. Personnel had been deployed to the forest for a different purpose but what LW et al saw provided a very useful cover story that has evolved into the RFI as we know it.

I met this guy and he came across as 100% genuine. I can say no more than that. I can ask him if would join the forum but that wouldn't achieve anything because he cannot prove anything. As with LW he knows what he saw and doesn't give a toss whether he is believed or not. As far as I am aware, he is an author of childrens' books.

I don't know what was going on in terms of radar or other experiments in the Rendlesham area in 1997. If the 'ness was still active then whoever was working there might have been up to something. The only thing that struck me about the guy's story is that he said it 'was like a hologram'. He didn't at any time suggest he had seen an actual craft of any kind... just something that suddenly materialised out of nowhere, was visible for a few minutes, if that, then disappeared again. He used the word 'craft' in the context of trying to describe what he observed, i.e it looked like a craft. There was no noise or atmospheric anomalies.

I can't add any more than that. I was only interested to know if anyone else had seen anything similar in the years since Dec 80.

[puddlepirate]

Hi St

Thank for that. I hadn't read that before... I've read parts of LAEG but only the bits relevant to the RFI to be honest.

I don't know what to make of the weird sightings. I've never seen anything like that myself and obviously I wasn't there in Dec 80, in 88 or in 97. To be honest I would have to see something like this for myself before making any sensible comments because it is totally outside my experience - but that does not mean that I do not believe what I am being told, only that I cannot image what it must be like.

The big problem, as those who have seen such phenomena will probably agree, is that there is never any absolute proof...no videos, no decent photos - nothing and that has to be as infuriating for the witnesses as it is for us trying to investigate such things. I suspect also, that if someone did manage to capture a superb image or video it would immediately be denouced as a fake so it's a no-win situation all round...

[winkeech]

Hi Guys,
... Just a couple of weird, spurious observations: First of all - I have only ever come across the same THC free crop ... grown for its fibres ... and of all the places it could be, it was in the field right next to the security fence at Irton Moor ... or GCHQ Scarborough as it is better known ... and a field where a local ufo researcher filmed a cobalt blue/white ufo touch down a few years ago - seems a weird coincidence. As aparently you would need to smoke over a ton of it to get high, I don't think this is the cause of the reports!
The other weird similarity - and probably more relevant - is the most peculiar building at the end of a field in the vale of pewsey in wilts where I have filmed cropcircle, ufo and general weirdness for the past 16 years. If there was ever a good candidate for a 'portal area' this must be it. This building is a glass pyramid costing several million to design and build - designed by the same bloke who designed the louvre. The family that own it own the huge manor and estate just up the road from it and are bankers, owning one of the uk's largest banks ... why would they build such a thing? why (for an alledged art gallery - that no one is allowed to visit without special invite) is the top section built as an observatory ... that rotates? is this 'art' reflecting reality? ... and if so, what is it they know - that they go to huge, expensive lengths to leave huge symbolic hints about?
Anyhow, here's a small piccy of it on a rare occasion that the lights are on that I snapped last Aug ... couldn't help but think of Larry when I saw it lit up ... plain weird.

[winkeech]

Whoops ... the link became damaged ... trying again, all the best, win.

[winkeech]

... and again - this thing hates being posted!

[winkeech]

... getting silly now!
http://s481.photobucket.com/albums/rr173/winkeech/?action=view&current=pyramid_on.jpg
there's the link incase of further problem

[pupil88]

Was it a hologram or something that materialized from nowhere? Was it like the cinema, that is, it was built upon the movement-image? Did the observer stress the movement or the image? Did he stick to the image and lose sight of the movement? Was it a motion-matter-image? If you have an image,was it flat or had depth of field? Was there lunar light on the craft or was it luminous? Was the light from the bottom surround of the craft? Light itself is motion. If you have this your not talking about a hologram. The action of the craft linked to the obsever’s optical and aural perception and that perception resulted in the observer’s movement. A new image forms which chases after the first. We now have a real image and an imaginary one.and time has come on the scene. The craft is split into two. It no longer is a whole. One part goes counter clockwise; the other goes clockwise. What was a whole, that is, total, is transforming into something else. The observer’s movement is detected. The craft disappears. This was no hologram.

[time4truth]

OH WOW !! what is all this stuff??

[pupil88]

Were there other reported incidence like the sudden appearance of the craft? Among USAF personnel it was a taboo subject to discuss, less report.An example...

http://ufology.wikia.com/wiki/Lori_Rehfeldt


The last paragraph in this article is vague. What it refers to is the materials collected on the farmer’s field...the remnants of the “aspirin”. It was not of this earth.

[puddlepirate]

pupil88...

I wasn't there so I have no idea of what the guy actually saw and therefore cannot make any comment beyond what I have already said, however from what I was told the following appears to be true

Q. Was it a hologram or something that materialized from nowhere?
A. It appeared suddenly and after a few minutes it disappeared suddenly
Q. Was it like the cinema, that is, it was built upon the movement-image?
A. Cannot answer that as I have absolutely no idea.
Q. Did the observer stress the movement or the image?
A. Equal emphasis on both
Q. Did he stick to the image and lose sight of the movement?
A. Absolutely no idea
Q. Was it a motion-matter-image?
A. I don't understand this question
Q. If you have an image,was it flat or had depth of field?
A. Given it appeared to be rotating then it appears there was depth of field but I cannot answer this with any certainty as I didn't see it
Q. Was there lunar light on the craft or was it luminous?
A. Not known
Q. Was the light from the bottom surround of the craft?
A. Apparently the bottom part emitted blue light

I cannot comment on any of the other points raised because I either don't understand the underlying issue or they speculative, built on assumptions of what was seen, the level of visual or aural abilities of the observer and so forth...

[time4truth]

Pupil88 that Wiki info seems to state that some Alien "grey plastic" (colour grey not species!!)was found and tested and USED BY US! (humans) so something fell off the "craft" that landed in Rendelsham?? Where and what is it?? Was that "plastic" sent to Ramstein along with movie film of everything that happend? it does seem from reading other books etc that apart from Russia the U.S Military COLLECTS all dowend CRAFT and takes to USA (Edwards Air Base?)... Verty interesting article.

[time4truth]

"OURS" or "THEIRS" ? real Alien craft or one of the U.S, backengineerd?

[time4truth]

Now it seems Dec 1980 wasnt ONLY srange sighting !! WHY sooo SECRET ??

[pupil88]

T4T

The ‘plastic’ did not fall from a craft. Someone should edit that entry.She was talking to a scientist who suggested that material came from the RFI. I believe it came from the ‘aspirin’. It was a circular, ‘plastic’ material that contained gases. The ‘aspirin’ exploded in sync with the red ‘basketball’ light that exploded into shards of light. When things cleared, a delta shaped craft sat in its place.

PP

I wrote that within a few minutes. I’m familiar with things appearing suddenly and disappearing. It was no hologram. Lori Rehfeldt saw a ball of light. The observer saw a material object appear out of space. LR saw an explosion and three crafts emerge. The observer saw an abort of that same operation.

What is the current state of holographic technology?

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/9904-live ... in-london/

[puddlepirate]

Hi P88

I've no idea what the guy saw..... I'm not sure he did either. He just said it might have been a hologram. I think until someone sees something like this for themselves it is impossible to guess or make any sensible comments about what it might have been.

Hologram technology has advanced but what the military might have had almost thirty years ago and how that had been developed by 1997 and how that compares with what is in the public domain today - well, unless a person is actually involved in the military development and use of holograms it is impossible to say.

I was only interested to find out if anyone else had seen something similar in the same location. Perhaps some people are more susceptible than others to experiencing things of this sort. I've never seen anything like it so I am not one of them....

I can ask the guy if he would be interested in joining the forum, that's not a problem but if he did join how could he prove anything? The answer is, he can't - no more than LW, P, C or B can - and if I were him I probably wouldn't bother getting involved in a discussion about it because it wouldn't change what I saw.

[pupil88]

PP

Why does he have to prove anything?

There was a presence and then an absence. What do they have in common?
presence - absence materiality

You were looking for a pattern. The opposite of that would be randomness
pattern- randomness information

One doesn’t have to prove anything. Something shows up.

Continuing

presence- randomness mutation
absence- pattern hyperreality

In science fiction, no word needs to be privileged above the other. Science fiction usually leads to science fact, which in time, shows up.

[puddlepirate]

There is a big difference between evidence led research and science fiction. To all intents an purposes the RFI was an incident that, in Dec 1980, required a number of USAF personnel to go off base in the very early hours of the morning on at least two separate occasions. Of the personnel involved, a few witnessed something strange that has mystified them to this day. That is fact.

Many years later, in 1997, another person witnessed something strange at virtually the same location. That is also fact.

The area has a history of highly classified research and development into radars. It was also home to two major front line airbases, one of which housed nuclear weapons. Fact.

Following a directive from Winston Churchill in the days of WW2, there is a probability that somewhere near one or other of the bases but within the forest there is an underground facility used - or at least intended for use in WW2 - as a chem weapon storage area. The directive to build such facilities at RAF stations near wooded areas, all the way down the east coast from Scotland to Kent is fact but it is not known if any such facility actually existed at Rendlesham (or at any other of the RAF stations for that matter, after all the directive might have been a deception) - but given the role and location of the twin bases, the probability is high.

It is known that until Jul 73, OTH radar was being tested at Orfordness. Years before that Orfordness was used as a bomb testing range. At Leiston, just a few miles up the coast, is the nuclear power station Sizewell B. A few miles down the coast at RAF Bawdsey, there was more radar activity.

Therefore, the whole area has a long history of nuclear reactors, highly classified military activity, very highly classified research involving radar emissions and testing devices for atomic weapons.

it is known that Bentwaters has been de-commissioned but Woodbridge remains as a military base. At the time of the 1997 sighting a number of helicopters were seen over the forest and large numbers of what might have been standard British Army three ton trucks (Bedford M Type?) were observed entering the base - but these events might have been purely incidental and not in any way connected with the sighting in the field or the presence of persons in the field.

However, taking all these factors into account, the hgh strangeness sightings might well have been related to some kind of military experiment. Given there was (apparently) no restriction on access to the area, then perhaps whatever appeared in the field in 1997 was an unexpected outcome. It would be usual for such tests to be conducted at establishments such as AWRE, Skunk Works, Edwards AFB, Porton Down, Area 51 etc - but who is to know what goes on in the quieter parts of the English countryside? Even the farmer's field and the farmhouse could be owned by HMG.....and just to fantasise for a moment, even persons occupying the farmhouse and Folly House (at the eastern end of Woodbridge runway) might not have been quite what they seemed. Or, dropping back to the Dec 80 RFI, in an even more bizarre fantasy what if Halt and his men hadn't been sent into forest to find something but instead were actually tasked to seal it off, to make sure the area was secure before some other activity took take place. After all what better time to conduct a very highly classified experiment than in the period between Christmas and New Year when there was no flying, when many personnel were on leave and several of the locals might have been away. Plus, it has been said several times that whatever was going on was filmed.... could this filming have been part of some kind of monitoring or evaluation process? Were there any boffins amongst the personnel entering the forest? Was Hollesley Bay prison put on evac alert just in case whatever was going on went legs up (that suggests airborne involvement of some sort).

i still think the cousins accidentally dropped a nuke though............