The Object ..

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Re: The Object ..

Postby Observer » Tue May 10, 2011 5:45 pm

Just two points concerning this story.

If the farm yard animals were making a lot of noise then they must have done it again on the 3rd night when Halt said the 'barnyard' animals were making a lot of noise. Any farmer would investigate his animals making a lot of noise, but we have heard nothing from the farmer or his family who lived there. I think he would kinda notice bright lights and noisy animals don't you think.

Secondly, who was the shadowy figure seen in the dark running out of the forest towards Folly House.
I put it to our main witnesses that they were not the only 'Humans' in that forest on the nights in question.

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Re: The Object ..

Postby Frank » Tue May 10, 2011 6:33 pm

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Thanks for that compilation Ignis.

I guess we read different things in the same piece of text. If I read through it I see an object being described that pulls back as the men approach it. Jim's drawing clearly contains an object that is placed in the middle of the woods (with trees in front of it and behind it).

Ed probably got a pretty good look at it as well - his initial text describes it turning right a quarter of a turn but then 'XXgXX' is crossed out and replaced by 'left'. You've got to be pretty sure about what you saw to make a correction like that. You can clearly see this correction here: http://rendlesham-incident.co.uk/evidence/usaf-witness-statements/edward-cabansags-witness-statement/

Anyway, I prefer a 'don't know' over a shaky explanation that fits just a part of what was reported. Guess we all feel the 'urge' to come up with an explanation, but there just is not enough data. Jim is slowly turning into the Mysterious Messenger from the Future, and John's choice is to stay loyal to him, so there is not much hope that we'll ever find out what really happened.

Obs, I read two stories about farmers in some of the books and articles on the RFI (I can't remember exactly which ones).
One story is about an investigator trying to interview a farmer's family but not getting much information, except for their young daughter who suddenly jumps in and starts talking about the 'giant UFO' she saw. She is quickly silenced by her parents.
The other story is about a farmer who's cattle was scared by a UFO. A cow was run over as a result of this so the farmer complained to the RAF. Even if it was a UFO, he held the RAF responsable for anything that happened in the sky and wanted compensation for the damage :lol:

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Re: The Object ..

Postby IanR » Tue May 10, 2011 6:59 pm

Frank wrote:If I read through it I see an object being described that pulls back as the men approach it.

Or it *appears* to. No need to assume any real movement on the part of the light at all. Try chasing the Moon, or Venus, and see how it moves away from you. Many UFO witnesses have!

Frank wrote:Ed probably got a pretty good look at it as well - his initial text describes it turning right a quarter of a turn but then 'XXgXX' is crossed out and replaced by 'left'.

Well it was rotating, so it would appear to do both, wouldn't it...

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Re: The Object ..

Postby Ignis Fatuus » Tue May 10, 2011 7:07 pm

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If I read through it I see an object being described that pulls back as the men approach it. Jim's drawing clearly contains an object that is placed in the middle of the woods (with trees in front of it and behind it).

A drawing made after the event tho eh. Can you not see a similarity between his picture and the farmhouse? Cripes look at what's on top of the house where the 'bank of red lights' supposedly were. That's why the 3 view triangle craft replaced the original sketch. Also have a look at the observations of the 'Farmhouse on fire effect' made by John Burroughs during Rendlesham 30. He noticed that not only was the farmhouse lit up - but it also lit up the surrounding trees, that with the motion of the breeze - gave the fire effect. Also check out Jim Penniston's response.

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Ed probably got a pretty good look at it as well - his initial text describes it turning right a quarter of a turn but then 'XXgXX' is crossed out and replaced by 'left'. You got to be pretty sure about what you saw to make a correction like that.


Is he describing the movement of 'the' object or movement in the forest, in the same way Burroughs describes the forest full of movement?
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We were about 100 meters from the edge of the forrest when I saw a quick movement, it look visible for a moment . It look like it spun XXgXX left a quarter of a turn, then it was gone. We advised CSC and proceeded In extreme caution.

Haha XXgXX even looks like a txt glyph of a deer with antlers :wink:
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Anyway, I prefer a 'don't know' over a shaky explanation that fits just a part of what was reported.

I'm even more sure than ever that I know how it went down.
I've seen what I believe is the same blue and red dazzle lights effect. In coastal conditions. With looming lights...over the top of a pine forest no less. Turned out to be 3 guys with a big ass box light, and a fishing net in the surf. Was like a CE3 lazer light show on a zero dollars budget. As you say...we all read it differently...just - I don't have any difficulty fitting all the bits together and understanding it from go to woe. It's not all that hard, because not a lot was reported.

Why did Jims statement not mention the farmhouse and dissappearing lights as Burrough's statement does? Sometimes it's not what he said...it's what he didn't say. Also the way other participants get written out of Jim's story over the subsequent years is very telling.
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Re: The Object ..

Postby Frank » Tue May 10, 2011 7:14 pm

Some nice videos of the Orford Ness lighthouse:

http://vimeo.com/5001555

Doesn't look anything like the drawings to me ..

Still: 'Don't know' - why is that so hard to accept ..?
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Re: The Object ..

Postby Ignis Fatuus » Tue May 10, 2011 7:38 pm

Doesn't look anything like the drawings to me ..
Still: 'Don't know' - why is that so hard to accept ..?

You're thinking of the Lighthouse as an object rather than a source of lighting...at eye level from our Heroes vantage point.
Pity Da Vinci wasn't out there with his sketch pad.
Add all the components together. They headed due east. What light source is due East? What other light source lies at 095 degrees. Look at the original sketch. Look at the angle he has the 'beacon light' hitting the 'object'. Look at the roof line where the bank of red lights supposedly were.If it looks like a house...I'm picking that's what it is.
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Re: The Object ..

Postby Ignis Fatuus » Tue May 10, 2011 8:05 pm

It look like it spun XXgXX left a quarter of a turn, then it was gone.

Could also be interpreted as catching a glimpse of the rotation from our old mate on the coast. I guess we will just have to wait for Ed to hit the UFO Con circuit to know for sure.

Oh, and I meant to also mention that as the statements were written after the fact, it's easy to forget that when they sat down to write them they had the advantage of hindsight. Like for example Ed Cabansag says 'beacon light' through most of his account - yet he and Burroughs took 3 miles of walking and running past their vehicle before the light source was identified as such.
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Re: The Object ..

Postby Ignis Fatuus » Tue May 10, 2011 8:36 pm

Oops..I meant TWO miles.
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Re: The Object ..

Postby Observer » Wed May 11, 2011 7:26 am

It was the Boast family who's son I happen to know and nothing was ever said to me about his dads farm animals making a noise or of UFO's landing in the field or flying over. None of these stories have been substantiated. Surely if these people were major witnesses we would have heard a bit more from them by now, human nature to tell a story especially down the pub. May be there's nothng to tell!
I don't buy any of this because there are too many unanswered questions.
As for the RAF being made responsible for any flying activity that affects farm animals, well check county news paper archives. There were cases nearly every week some where in East Anglia where some farmer was claiming compensation for RAF jets frightening the shit out of his cows or causing his pigs to have premature births. I think you will find that Mr Boast was not happy about certain helicopter exercises being held too near his farm and cattle.
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Re: The Object ..

Postby John Burroughs » Wed May 11, 2011 7:07 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmm7hM3NdkU&NR=1 You might want to look at 1-4 in the video section also..
Its very interesting in what was seen how it was handled and who was involved in debunking it.
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Re: The Object ..

Postby John Burroughs » Wed May 11, 2011 8:05 pm

John Burroughs wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmm7hM3NdkU&NR=1 You might want to look at 1-4 in the video section also..
Its very interesting in what was seen how it was handled and who was involved in debunking it.

What makes this even more interesting is Nick was able to track the 1993 files and talk about them ours were destroyed.
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Re: The Object ..

Postby Ignis Fatuus » Wed May 11, 2011 9:45 pm

Any possibility that the Rendlesham Forest Incident is the cover story for the Lost GAU Incident :?:
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Re: The Object ..

Postby John Burroughs » Wed May 11, 2011 10:07 pm

John Burroughs wrote:
John Burroughs wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmm7hM3NdkU&NR=1 You might want to look at 1-4 in the video section also..
Its very interesting in what was seen how it was handled and who was involved in debunking it.

What makes this even more interesting is Nick was able to track the 1993 files and talk about them ours were destroyed.


And then those files were destroyed also and it was declared no defense interest.
Sure sounds like our incident.
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Re: The Object ..

Postby John Burroughs » Wed May 11, 2011 10:34 pm

Ignis Fatuus wrote:Any possibility that the Rendlesham Forest Incident is the cover story for the Lost GAU Incident :?:
Sure pumpkin head the USAF went to all that effort to cover up a missing Gau. Boy you sure do have mush for brains!!
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Re: The Object ..

Postby bignos » Wed May 11, 2011 10:40 pm

i may be stating the obvious here but the farm seems to be arable as do the others near by - has anyone actually checked this out? when i was there at night i did hear a lot of animal noises in the forest, deer possibly as i saw a few, i also witnesses a screaming noise as stated in johns statement. could it be that there was a mistake in the statements and it was not in fact farm animals. If so the farmer would not pay it any attention
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Re: The Object ..

Postby IanR » Wed May 11, 2011 11:46 pm

bignos wrote:i may be stating the obvious here but the farm seems to be arable as do the others near by - has anyone actually checked this out? when i was there at night i did hear a lot of animal noises in the forest, deer possibly as i saw a few, i also witnesses a screaming noise as stated in johns statement. could it be that there was a mistake in the statements and it was not in fact farm animals. If so the farmer would not pay it any attention

Very perceptive, bignos. What you heard were muntjac deer, which do make a screaming sound. No doubt that's what John B heard, and possibly Halt too.

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Re: The Object ..

Postby John Burroughs » Thu May 12, 2011 1:00 am

IanR wrote:
bignos wrote:i may be stating the obvious here but the farm seems to be arable as do the others near by - has anyone actually checked this out? when i was there at night i did hear a lot of animal noises in the forest, deer possibly as i saw a few, i also witnesses a screaming noise as stated in johns statement. could it be that there was a mistake in the statements and it was not in fact farm animals. If so the farmer would not pay it any attention

Very perceptive, bignos. What you heard were muntjac deer, which do make a screaming sound. No doubt that's what John B heard, and possibly Halt too.

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There you go again Ian telling me what I heard and saw. H mm why did'nt show up in Dec and point this all out face to face. It was farm animals we heard and one of the houses have them over by the finger. A matter a fact one of the farmers were moved after the incident.
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Re: The Object ..

Postby John Burroughs » Thu May 12, 2011 1:49 am

Ian why don't you and your buddies look into this incident next. Pumpkin head you to. Maybe you will find the missing GAU there! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDQTDwu8 ... e=youtu.be
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Re: The Object ..

Postby Ignis Fatuus » Thu May 12, 2011 4:20 am

Sure pumpkin head the USAF went to all that effort to cover up a missing Gau. Boy you sure do have mush for brains!!

All of the USAF...or just a few people? And What effort? All the props were already in place. Mushy brains? Maybe. Something non-UFO was going on around that time that nobody wants to talk about. Sometimes the sound of a woman screaming is... a woman screaming. That girl sure knows how to party.
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Re: The Object ..

Postby Observer » Thu May 12, 2011 8:01 am

Bignose

I think you are right about the small farm being arable as most others were in the area. The animal noises in the woods could have been a deer or even a Fox, but don't discount the possibilty that it was a woman's scream!
The farm animal question needs to be verified.

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