larry warrens story

[AdrianF]

John, Sacha, thanks for taking the time to clarify the situation for everybody. A lot of luck is going to be needed to get this off the ground and to bring together those that do want to be involved.

[FMG]

I know this thread has gone off on a different topic since I was last on but I have looked at the UFO Data mags, aliens and the 3 ladies, etc, issue. I wont break the flow of the new topic of a reunion except to say all the details are out there in various publications. There is even details in the jan issue from 2006 about why the UFO was dripping molten metal and why the farm house looked as he it was on fire, another topic recently mentioned on this forum.

[Sacha Christie]

Rome wasn't built in a day... I'll repeat myself just for the sake of it... THIS TIME AROUND MAYBE.... But there are always going to be anniversaries and if we can get the right attention and exposure then who knows, five ten years down the line. Just because we all want to know right now doesn't mean thats whats going to happen. The reasons people havent come rushing into the public gaze blabbing their faces off are many and varied. Some would rather just leave it in the past and get on with the lives they've built, others are apparently running scared? Some might not really give a toss... But then there are others who are toying with the idea AND HAVE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.. JUST NOT IN PUBLIC... YET.

Ok I think I have definitely done that point to death now. 20 yrs ago it was a little known case and was the butt of jokes and ridicule.. it's not anymore is it? Ergo....

Ok John, thanks for your best wishes, I guess I can surmise that you want no involvement in the organization or say in format... no input at all? Well.. You know where I am if you change your mind. When I get news of dates and funding I'll let you know.

I don't know about a lot of luck being needed? I think the right attitude and approach with a sprinkling of luck and a leap of faith is the way forward but then I'm a girl and we always think we'll get our own way.

I have had rather a deviously fabulously cunning idea though, i spent ages writing it out last night to post up but then thought better of it, some forum lurkers are spies, psych-ops and more than likely NSA.... So, I'm putting something into action which I hope will bring a HUGE spotlight on the case, the MoDs lack of interest or action and the cover up. It's not bad for a flakey bird like me but due to the nature of the case there's an outside chance it might fall on it's backside, but, also due to the nature of the people I'm approaching it might actually work in favour. They're no holds barred political and civil rights activists who take MASSIVE personal risks to out this sort of thing. It might just work...? That will get everyone around a table privately and also reunion for the public. Watch this space.... I'll let you know either way.

FMG... I had a look at the pile under my coffee table today... mostly really OLD fortean times and ufo magazines... I found a few issues of ufo data but not the one with the files in it!! I'll suggest to Andrew he turns it into an e book.

The molten metal explanation was electromagnetic effects, like plasma balls only not lightening but similar.. Looks like liquid crystal... VERY basically. The reasoning for the farmhouse eludes me this minute, the mini me's are back from school and the noise level is around 300 decibels.

John.. I know I read somewhere this past few days your comments about Larry not having responded to any of Lindas mails re the tape. I e mailed both you and Linda and told you that I haven't received Part two.. therefore Larry hasn't. I recently received 3 and 4 but Larry has a job, a son and has been to America for a week so having a life got in the way. I'll tell him to stop having so much fun and get his nose back to the arse hair splitting and removal of Linda's perceptions... Not my words..

Also, I haven't been given a copy of the tape yet which has also been requested. Larry's has deteriorated badly and a large chunk is intelligible. I think he'd like to be able to hear it for himself what he said so he has perfect context and can hear intonation etc... I'm sure you'd want to do the same if it were you. So.. larry will get around to it when I send them on with the tape and part two of the files. He still wants me to act as mediator/go between/whatever due to the nature of the youfoology's politics and general twoddle peddlers (not directed at anyone, he's just had 27 years of defending himself and is covering his ARSE! Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

Right well.. I'll get on with my plans for world domination and cooking the tea then... ciao!

[Sacha Christie]

I can't believe the swear filter is set to bleep out a r s e! Is fanny ok? thats American for a r s e isn't it?

Ok ok... I'll behave.

[Sacha Christie]

Oooh tar, can I smoke a fag with it...?

By the way I like my coffee black, like my mood.

I know it's childish but I do love the language divide... ah well, being easily pleased is a rare personality trait these days. If i had everything I wanted right now I would be buried under a pile of chocolate and dead from my own island landing on my head.

[larry warren]

I never read this thred, john B, has dirrected me to it via another.
all i will say to Zardos? another phony name eh ! is that when people stop wasting time on authors that write books with agendas , authors that make up Quotes, researchers that make up Quotes, and have agendas, former usaf people that twist
information , never except explainations over and over, former airman that thought they knew what they were talking about
when certain authors interviewed them , disgruntled old school authors of the case that had an axe to grind, and were known to make things up................. if that is what you like, keep it at that, if you want THE Larry Warren story, read Left At East
Gate, BY Larry warren And Peter Robbins, c 1997 c 2005 cosimo Press, New york.

[ncf1]

I certainly can understand your frustration John, being someone who only wants to know the truth and cannot stand distraction from it. I would get frustrated also, beyond frustrated, particularly after such a long period of time, experiencing an extraordinary event (to say the least), conflicting reports, and little answers forthcoming. Would a gathering with all or hopefully many members involved progress the case? With proper moderation I would say it's perhaps the best possible procedure at this point. Set an event date, give each person time to get their facts straight - ie. the absolute facts, to their knowledge, and nothing more - and have them get up and state their case one at a time. I don't think there would be a more effective way of getting the truth, or what is known of the truth, exposed for this particular case. Something perhaps like the events organised by James Fox, which I think are very effective, and certainly are memorable and I think as penetrating as you are going to get with such a topic as UFO's.

How about that though.. would James Fox himself be able to organise such an event? Just a thought that came to me now anyway.

I feel for those involved though, John Burroughs, Jim Penniston, Larry Warren, Charles Halt etc, you see how earnest they are in documentaries and how really, they'd prefer to do anything else than talk about it but they feel they have the responsibility to do so. I think that's actually what really drew me into this case, much more than Roswell anyway, that these guys really did seem to be rattled, even decades on, they just wanted answers and nothing else; peace of mind. And thats why, as I said, I think I would, if I was involved, be unbelievably frustrated if there were conflicting reports, differeing opinions, goons like McGaha talking rubbish, and all other unnecessary distractions. I can see how this would be an event that one would prefer never happened, how much of a terrible burden it would be.

[epl442]

hi.
I am 46,live in lowestoft suffolk & am one of 5 witnesses who saw this on new years eve & have never come forward.We saw this in the village of carlton colville flying toward the sea (south easterly-in the general direction of ipswich)at 7pm .I wrote down at 16 what i saw.It looked like there was someone sat in the tree juggling 3 balls of light anti-clockwise (there was no "man" or anyone actually juggling-want 2 make that clear!)yellow/orange,red+blue.

My reason for comin on here was curiousity.Ive read every book possible on the incident(always chuckle at the "definative" & no one has interviewed more witnesses thing lol). In particular larrys & the late ms brunis book.Im on about 20 ufo forums & im amazed at how many people including seasoned ufologists DONT READ BOOKS! or at least properly!

11 of them claimed that thier copies of ycttp had no larry warren chapters! others claim their copy has,or mentions nothing about larry warrens photos-when they CLEARLY DO ! bruni spends an entire chapter layin into warren.

IT IS THESE PHOTOS THAT I AM INTERESTED IN.Yet no one seems to know of them,heard of them,read about them,seen them,not a sosij!

SO WHO BETTER TO ASK THAN YOU LOT?!
Bruni states in her chapter (that does exist i have 3 copies 2 proove it)on warren that i believe scenario number 12 had warren taking pics of the object that john burroughs saw & that the airmen encountered in the forest.These were then hidden(they were on a roll of film) then developed & kept by warren for 20 years,as his "ace in the hole".it seems incredible to ,me that no one has seen them,no one talks about them & there isnt even a mobile fone photo of one of them?!?! this doesnt appear to be bizzare to anyone except myself!?
Does anone know where these alledged pics are?
they must have existed-why would bruni jeopardise her book for a blatant lie?
does mr warren have a statement on this?
i think its really strange when in this day & age & you CANT find something on the net! not even a mention of it,in fact in 2 days this post will probably come up in googles search,there is that little on the subject of larry warrens rendlesham pics!

Many thanks

[epl442]

THE LARRY WARREN STORY

Larry Warren has been connected with the incident since early 1983. Being the first person to go public with the story (using the pseudonym Art Wallace) was not an easy task for this young man, but he was so traumatized by the course of events, he told witness Adrian Bustinza, that he was going to make sure the world knew about it. He lived up to his promise.

In 1997 Larry Warren co-authored Left at East Gate with American researcher Peter Robbins. It is an intriguing story of his early life and his misgivings at being caught up in the Rendlesham Forest incident. As gentle and professional as Peter is, there were moments of intense frustration as he tried to make sense of his co-author's case, and equally so for Larry as he desperately tried to prove his story was genuine. This was a difficult task because the years of stress and nightmares had taken their toll, and more than once Larry had contemplated suicide. It was as a result of his story that I became more interested in this case. Indeed, some of his claims were far more exotic than those of other witnesses, and I felt compelled to investigate if only to discover what it was that had or had not intruded on this young man's life.

Over the years Larry has had to suffer the indignity and criticism of sceptics and ufologists, many of whom insist he could not have been involved because his statements did not match those of other witnesses, coupled with the fact that his story has changed over the years. Like others before me, I discovered that there were several grey areas to his testimony, but then it seemed to me that one does not spend so many years trying to prove one's case if it is nothing but a lie in the first place. I figured that if Larry Warren was intentionally lying he would have dropped out of the story long ago, especially as new evidence surfaced. He certainly has not stayed with it for financial gain, on the contrary, it has cost him a small fortune. It also cost him his marriage and very nearly cost him his life.

Lawrence P. Warren was only eighteen years old when he joined the USAF on 22 July 1980. On 1 December he arrived at RAF Bentwaters, having received basic training at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas. When questioned about his Air Force status, Colonel Halt claimed Larry was not on duty at the time of the incident and, furthermore, he was not on the installation. Halt also insisted that he had played no part in the events, and even after Larry produced certain Air Force documents, Halt still had difficulty accepting that he was involved, pointing out that he was not trained for security police duties. Brenda Butler was another person who was sceptical of Larry's involvement. She was inclined to think he might have picked up the story from other witnesses. With this in mind, she once offered him false information about a witness who did not exist. Larry told her that he knew the man and they had discussed the incident in passing. This episode resulted in a damaging stigma to his credibility. I asked him if he would care to comment on the matter:

I admit it was wrong. I was not altogether sure of everything that had taken place the night of the incident, or who some of the others were. I was still grasping for the truth myself. Looking back, I think I was trying to get her attention. She wanted to believe it happened and I wanted to get the story out because it really did happen. I suppose I wanted her to believe me, so I agreed with everything she said.

Witness Jim Penniston also questioned Larry's involvement, agreeing with Colonel Halt that Larry was not trained to be on duty at the time. However, Penniston admits that soon after the incident he had to caution Larry for discussing it with his fellow airmen. I told Penniston that I had a copy of Larry's certificate of training, which certifies that he successfully completed the Security Specialist Course. The course was conducted at USAF Lackland, Texas, and Edward D. Young, Colonel USAF, Commander of the 3250th Technical Training Wing, signed the document. I gave him the date (28 October 1980) and also pointed out that I had an original document entitled 'Report on Individual Personnel', prepared at 21.16 hrs on 11 December 1980. This document was addressed to the 81st Security Police Squadron, Bentwaters, and was signed by Thomas A. Mosely, TSGT USAF, at Bentwaters Classification and Training School. It proves that Lawrence P. Warren had completed further training (including ground defence) at RAF Bentwaters and was assigned to official duties on 11 December 1980.

Having explained the details of Larry's military training to Jim Penniston he had to agree that if the documents were genuine, then there is no doubt that Larry was trained to be on duty at the time of the incident. I also pointed out that Colonel Halt gives credence to witness Edward Cabansag, but Cabansag had only been on official duty for one or two days prior to his involvement in the incident. Surely if Cabansag can be officially assigned to duty and carry an M-16 rifle within two days of completing his training, then why not Larry Warren?

Larry has never been certain of the exact date of his involvement, believing it might have been the first night of his midnight shift with D Flight. This would normally have been 26/27 December, but I have since learnt that the Flights were mixed up due to the Christmas holidays. Based on his testimony, Larry is presumably referring to a later incident. The following is based on his own account of the events with my added comments in parentheses.

It was just after 23.00 hrs when Larry arrived at his posting, which was perimeter post 18, at the furthest end of the flightline on the Bentwaters installation and closest to the Woodbridge base. (This may be an oversight on Larry's part, or it could have changed, but on checking an official Bentwaters map, I noticed that post 18 was not at the perimeter, but was situated in a central position at the mid-way flightline. From what I understand, this was the area where the aircraft were stored, and as such it required special security at all times. Therefore, the guard on duty should not have been removed from his post.)

Soon after midnight Larry began hearing radio transmissions coming from the Bentwaters tower and other transmissions between personnel stationed at RAF Woodbridge. The Woodbridge patrol were observing funny lights bobbing up and down over the forest and Airman Warren was becoming nervous at being so alone in the dead of night. Suddenly a truck arrived with three or four personnel, which included Lieutenant Bruce Englund and Sergeant Adrian Bustinza. Airman Warren was instructed to call Central Security Control and announce he was being relieved of duty at his post.

Sergeant Bustinza then instructed him to climb into the back of the truck and the patrol headed off to the Bentwaters motor pool to fill some light-alls (generator-mounted light systems). (Adrian Bustinza recalls collecting personnel and having them fill the light-alls but, apart from his superiors, he cannot recall the identities of any of the men he picked up that evening.) After refuelling the light-alls, the patrol then drove to Rendlesham Forest, passing the Woodbridge base by the east gate and taking the next turning left into the logging road.

Brenda Butler, who is familiar with the area, has pointed out that Larry's directions to the landing site are incorrect. But having taken the route myself I can see where the confusion arises. If one were to leave the Woodbridge base, taking the road from the east gate (see map) to the area in question, then one would turn right not left. But Larry's patrol went directly from Bentwaters (Adrian Bustinza has confirmed the patrols took this route) and did not use the short cut through the Woodbridge base. By using the normal route they would have passed the east-gate entrance to the Woodbridge base on their right, they then took the next turning immediately on their left. Therefore Larry's directions are correct when he says, 'We turned left at east gate.'

Larry recalls being at the site with Bustinza when the big UFO landed (Bustinza insists he was not there when the landing took place but arrived soon afterwards. He also refers to an entirely different landing site than Larry) and describes the landing as a red ball of light exploding in a blinding flash, with shards of light and particles falling on to a yellow fog. Larry remembers going numb during the encounter, as if in a state of shock. Right in front of him appeared a huge machine, which at first seemed to be triangular in shape but was constantly distorting. It reminded him of a huge soluble aspirin (Bustinza also mentions that it looked like a soluble aspirin).

The object was covered in weird pipes and what looked like little boxes and there was a bank of cobalt blue lights at its base and a glowing reddish light at the top. Larry was of the opinion that it was old and yet advanced at the same time. Numerous personnel were busy surrounding it on all sides, making a broken circle around it. He was now about twenty-five feet in front of the object and could see landing gear that appeared to be three legs protruding from its main body. At this stage Larry was feeling a sense of nausea and the hairs on his neck and body were standing on end. An officer instructed him and another airman to move closer to the object whilst a disaster preparedness officer led the way with a Geiger counter. Larry could see their shadows on its surface, which appeared to be unusually distorted. It was at this moment he claims to have seen three aeronaut entities communicating telepathically with Wing Commander Gordon Williams.

The entities, floating in bluish gold balls of light, seemed disturbed by a noise that sounded like a loud bang. Larry and the others backed away from the object as they heard an officer calling to some men who tried to run off over the fence. The commotion appeared to disturb the entities and, as if in fear, they floated back towards the object before moving forward again and continuing their silent communication with the commander. Larry claims that people were filming the UFO and taking photographs during the entire event.

One of the major problems with Larry's story is that he is the only witness to go public claiming Wing Commander Gordon Williams was involved in the incident.

In Left at East Gate he refers to the CNN documentary, stating that although the faces of the witnesses were blacked out he recognized Captain Mike Verrano, and claims Verrano had verified that Wing Commander Williams had taken a film canister of the incident to a waiting aircraft. Former Senior Master Sergeant Ray Gulyas, who worked alongside Captain Verrano in 1980, pointed out that it was Verrano who had taken the film to the aircraft, not Williams. He was sure that Williams was never mentioned in any of the briefings by Bobby Ball (also a witness), only Halt, and he did not doubt Ball's word. In the same context Larry implied that Gulyas had said he had seen flying objects containing maybe people or different life forms. Gulyas positively denies he saw anything of the kind. 'I was not a witness to the incident and I never heard of there being any aliens or beings out there,' he told me. I asked Larry to comment on Gulyas's statement. He checked the original manuscript and suggested it was a publishing error — that it should have read Bobby Ball and not Ray Gulyas.

Nevertheless, Larry is still convinced that Wing Commander Gordon Williams was out in the forest communicating with the crew of an alien spaceship. But as I explained to him, I needed more evidence because there was no other witness who put Gordon Williams in the picture. It was then he suggested I speak to Lee Speigel. I had been trying to contact Speigel for several months, without success, and was pleased when Larry asked Peter Robbins to put me in touch with him, promising he would confirm that Williams was involved. Lee Speigel was a producer and talk show host who had caught up with Colonel Halt at his home in 1985. According to Larry, Halt had become defensive when Speigel asked him about Gordon Williams and the Colonel had asked him and his crew to step outside. It was then that Halt allegedly admitted that 'Williams and beings' were involved in the incident. This is what Speigel related to me:

Yes, I did interview Halt at home and he was candid, to a point, but was obviously not telling all the facts. Whether it had more to do with keeping quiet because of national security reasons or perhaps personal reasons, I don't know for sure. When I asked Halt whether or not it was true that Base Commander Williams [sic] had some sort of very close encounter with alien beings, with a possible communication, Halt didn't get defensive and didn't ask me to have my crew step outside . . . My camera crew never came into Halt's home, just myself and an NBC producer, no one else. So re. Williams, all that Halt said was that he couldn't comment on what happened, not denying it, not confirming it. You can read anything you want into that, but that's what he said, and I've never embellished it beyond that. Halt never told me that beings had been observed on the third night. He simply wouldn't or couldn't confirm it.

According to Peter Robbins, Speigel was interviewing Larry and him for a New York radio show and it was after the show that Williams' name cropped up. Peter remarked on the conversation:

... I am not certain whether we were still in the studio or already in the cafe when it came up, but I specifically remember Larry asking Lee, certainly at least in part for my benefit, about Halt telling him that Williams had been involved. And I distinctly remember Lee responding in the affirmative . . .

Clearly there is a disagreement here. It seems strange that Larry would insist I talk to Speigel if he was not certain he would back up his story. However, when I first asked Speigel about his interview with Halt, he gave me a detailed account but there was no mention of Williams. It was only when I asked about Williams' alleged involvement that he offered the aforementioned statement. Could Peter have been mistaken about Speigel's affirmative answer or is it possible that Speigel might have misunderstood the question in the heat of the moment, several years down the line?

Adrian Bustinza disagrees with Larry, and is in no doubt that Williams was not involved, although he does remember Halt mentioning Williams' name during the encounter. Bustinza has no memories of Larry being at the landing site either. He explained the difficulty of trying to follow what was going on at the time:

I don't recall seeing him [Larry] out there, but there was a lot of confusion going on. There was tunnel vision. After the incident Larry was very upset and paranoid, and I had to try to calm him down. He wanted to talk. I remember us walking down the dorm and he was saying, 'I wonder if they are watching us now, if they have cameras watching us.' He got me scared. Even back then he was determined to get the story out. Larry wanted to talk, he was talking to everyone.

Steve La Plume remembers Larry very well. They had first met in a bar in San Antonio, Texas, whilst they were both at the police academy. It was not until the middle of January 1981 that they would meet again. La Plume heard about the major event the morning after it occurred, when some of the witnesses from the night shift walked through the day room on their way to their quarters. At the time, he did not pay too much attention to the witnesses, who were carrying their gear bags over their shoulders and walking with their heads and eyes down as if trying to avoid eye contact with anyone. He recalled how the men in the day room jeered as they passed through. 'Hey, see any little green men? Did you get probed?' One of the men retaliated by shouting 'Fuck you guys! Shut the fuck up.' La Plume does not remember seeing Larry with the group, but a few weeks later Larry discussed the incident with him in his dormitory.

As confirmed by Bustinza, it seems Larry had been hunting out fellow witnesses and had heard about La Plume's January sighting and wanted someone to talk to who had had a similar experience. Because it was the first time they met since leaving Texas they did not immediately recognize each other.La Plume related only what Larry had told him on that first day because he felt that this was the purest form of his story - before any outside influence might have tainted it. Larry told him that something had occurred outside the perimeter fence at RAF Woodbridge.

He had been ordered to collect a light-all and fuel it at the gas station. He mentioned that they had trouble, both with filling the light-all with fuel as well as keeping their vehicle running. When Larry's patrol arrived at the forest, they were ordered to secure their weapons and leave them with another patrol. They then made their way to where they saw a craft. Larry also mentioned that at least one airman was taking photographs, probably with a personal camera, which was later confiscated. There was also a video-camera recording of the event which he believed was authorized because it was later flown to Germany. Larry explained that everyone was in a broken circle around the craft and a colonel was communicating with beings.

However, he was very straightforward about the fact that they were not talking, just communicating. Larry told La Plume that he also saw the beings, which he described as three feet tall and resembling kids in snowsuits. There were two of the beings outside the craft, and one inside, and they appeared to be floating around as if inspecting it. Larry said that when the craft took off it joined about five other objects that formed into one unit before disappearing. Steve La Plume's story seems to give credence to Larry's, which is also very similar to Steve Roberts' original story.

According to Larry, the morning after the incident, he and several other airmen were instructed to report to Major Zickler. The airmen were lined up and checked over with a Geiger counter, doubtless for radiation, and told they were going to be debriefed concerning what had occurred the night before. They were then ushered into Zickler's office and instructed to sign statements without having the opportunity to read them. Larry managed a quick glance through the statement and realized it was a watered-down version of the actual event. It mentioned only that what he had seen were some unusual lights in the trees.

The witnesses, having been seated in front of a movie screen, were again told by Major Zickler that they would be debriefed and to be sure to give their full cooperation. Zickler then departed and three men in civilian suits entered the room. One was introduced as an officer from Naval Intelligence and the other two men represented the Armed Forces Security Service. After the introductions the naval commander gave them a briefing about UFOs and how the government had been aware of them for a very long time. The airmen were told that numerous 'off-earth civilizations visited the planet from time to time, and that some had a permanent presence here.

They were then instructed not to discuss any aspects of the incident with anyone on the base and if pressed they should just mention they saw lights in the trees. The commander then gave them a pep talk on patriotism before showing them a film, which revolved around the military's encounters with UFOs. According to Larry, the footage consisted of segments from various eras, beginning with World War Two, the Korean War and Vietnam, followed by footage from the US space missions. He claims that it was during this meeting that the men were told their security clearance had been upgraded. Having received no further confirmation, written or otherwise, he was of the opinion that the latter was mentioned only as a ploy to deter the witnesses from discussing the incident.

During a conversation I had with Malcolm Zickler, he confirmed that such a meeting had taken place although he did not offer any details. If you have a problem believing that the USAF educate their personnel on UFO matters, let me relate a similar story that was told to me in early 1997. Bruce Taylor, a Vietnam veteran who resides in Seattle, USA, informed me that before going off to war he and other personnel were summoned to a classroom where they were taught what to do in case they came into close contact with a 'craft of unknown origin'. In the likelihood of an encounter, they were expected to back away whilst observing everything possible, and then report it to their immediate supervisor.

Taylor was also shown footage of UFOs in Korea and Vietnam, probably the exact same film that Larry and the other witnesses were shown. Taylor explained how the Air Force deals with this particular subject. 'What was hard for me was that on one hand they were telling me UFOs don't exist, but on the other hand they were telling me what to do if I see one.' I asked him if he had been given any information on extraterrestrials and what they might look like. 'No, they didn't tell me what they might look like because that might be too easy,' he said. He added, 'I believe there are a couple of different races that fly these craft and I don't think it would be easy for the governments of the world to tell people what they look like if they are telling everyone that they don't exist.'

A remarkable part of Larry's story is his recollection of the events whilst under hypnotic regression. The session, which was carried out by ufologist and abduction researcher Budd Hopkins on 15 July 1995, has Larry being taken to an underground facility by two strange men in black civilian suits. This occurred in the early evening following the morning meeting in Zickler’s office, and one has to wonder if certain individuals were singled out. Larry was relaxing in his dorm when he was called on the telephone and told to report to the parking lot within twenty minutes. He was very concerned because earlier that day he had called his mother from the base telephone box and was in the middle of telling her about the UFO when he was cut off in mid-sentence. As he made his way towards the vehicle he was very nervous about what was ahead.

During the hypnotic session with Budd Hopkins, who is well known for his work with people who claim to have been abducted by aliens, Larry tried to describe what happened in the parking lot. As he walked towards the vehicle, which he thought was a 1980 Cadillac with New York number plates, he noticed Adrian Bustinza leaving his building and heading in the same direction. There were two men waiting for them, and as Larry tried to climb into the back of the vehicle he was sprayed in the face from something that looked like a deodorant can. He complained that his nose, eyes and mouth were stinging and he was very scared because he could not open his eyes and had trouble breathing.

As the car stopped Larry was pulled out and laid on an icy patch of ground near the Bentwaters flightline. He was then taken through a door and experienced the rapid descent of going down in an elevator. But he was not sure if the elevator was real because suddenly everything became a void. The next moment Larry was in a clinical-type room, sitting upright in a chair having his eyes washed by a man in a white coat, whom he assumed was a military doctor. The room adjoined an office area, but it was not the Bentwaters clinic he recognized. He was then approached by a colonel who ushered him into another room where Adrian Bustinza and six other airmen were seated. At this point Larry was clearly having problems and was very
frightened and, according to Budd Hopkins, brought himself abruptly out of the hypnosis. It is certainly an unusual story, but it is the remainder of Larry's underground experience that causes the most concern, the conscious memory without hypnosis.

According to Larry, he was still heavily sedated when he was confronted by two men in black SWAT-type uniforms who led him through a narrow corridor where he passed rooms full of computers and high-tech machines. He recalls the operators were dressed in orange and black uniforms. They then went through a pressurized door and an alarm triggered as the seal was broken. The door slid back into a white tiled wall and revealed a large dimly lit rectangular room which led into a smaller area with full-length windows. Larry stepped into the small space and could see a black liquid floor below, which housed a UFO similar to the one he had seen in Rendlesham Forest.

Exiting from the confined space, he was ushered through a large door which led down a long corridor and into another room full of rows of seating. Larry was instructed to be seated, and as he did so he spotted Adrian Bustinza off to his right. Directly ahead was a large translucent screen and as he stared at it he realized he could not move his head. Suddenly he sensed there was a small figure behind it and he realized he was having a telepathic exchange with an alien entity. The voice began discussing Larry's life and, as if waiting for confirmation, it would constantly ask if he could remember. Larry then heard the being say that it was from another place, another reality. He was told that the underground facility under Bentwaters was very deep and had been there since the 1940s. With the aid of human support it had been expanded in the 1960s enabling the beings to travel in their crafts through an extensive tunnel system that exited into the North Sea.

An amazing story but what can we make of it? Those interested in this case have had difficulty accepting Larry's claims of alien beings living underground in rural Suffolk. Most people have simply dismissed it, claiming it is just too weird. Even with a vivid imagination, I find it strange that anyone would want to make up such a bizarre story, especially if they want to come across as credible. One thing that had crossed my mind was that if Larry had seen a UFO underground, could this have been a stealth F-117 aircraft that had been secretly deployed at Bentwaters? The design would most certainly have looked alien to someone who did not know of their existence, and if Larry was drugged it would be even more confusing. According to my source they had been housed in hangars at the far end of the flightline. It is a possibility that the hangars had some sort of lift that would transport the aircraft to a basement area.
Steve La Plume confirms part of Larry's abduction story:

He also told me he was taken in a black car, that when the car pulled up close a window rolled down, and when he stuck his head in to talk to the occupants he blacked out. I do know for a fact that he said he was debriefed and told to keep quiet because 'bullets are cheap'. He also said he went under the base and there was a parking facility or something like that. He stated that the North Sea was close and they entered the underground base via the North Sea in an underground tunnel or something to that effect. I didn't see him for a few days after this [relating to when Larry spoke to him in mid-January], and when I did he was upset, because we were supposed to go drinking but he never showed up.

A few weeks after the statement from Steve La Plume, I told him about Left at East Gate. He reviewed the book and submitted another statement for my perusal.

Larry never told me that it was Williams who was out there. I only remember him saying that a colonel was present. It was only after we got back to the US [a few years later] and talked about it more that I remember him saying it was actually Williams. He did tell me he was abducted about the same manner that he states in his book. He also mentioned the underground complex under the photo lab. He said the car was big and dark in colour, but never mentioned that there was anyone else with him. I was told this while we were on Bentwaters.


Considering he had had such a dramatic time in the Air Force, I find it strange that Larry decided he wanted to re-enlist so soon after his separation from the service. But in 1981, following several failed attempts, he consulted Congressman Gerald B. Solomon and some months later he received a copy of a letter written by Lieutenant Colonel Thomas M. Alison, addressed to the Honourable Gerald B. Solomon. It turned out that five months after his discharge, the Office of the Surgeon General, USAF, had permanently disqualified him by reason that he could not fully extend his right arm. Larry has always claimed that he did not receive a medical discharge from the USAF even though the Air Force wrote to Solomon and explained the details of his disablement. Steve La Plume comments:

I remember Larry being assigned to the supply hut, and I distinctly remember that he was getting out of the Air Force due to his wrist, which he showed me would not move correctly. He explained that he was getting out for medical reasons - or breach of contract because they should not have assigned him the job of security to begin with, and should have caught his disability during his physical.

Larry supplied me with a copy of the letter of approval for his separation from the Air Force, which was stamped with Wing Commander Gordon E. Williams' signature. There is no obvious mention of a medical problem (unless it is coded), the separation was agreed on ('Nonfulfillment of Guaranteed Training Enlistee Program Agreement').

It seems as if Larry had a number of concerns whilst at Bentwaters and was under the impression that the AFOSI (known to servicemen as the OSI) were out to get him. Steve La Plume had warned Larry that they were watching him because he had put his name forward with several others for allegedly using drugs. La Plume recalls the incident.

I was bagged for doing drugs in Amsterdam. They, OSI, could prove it, and guilt on my part knew they could. I was told that if I cooperate they would not hold up my release from the service. I was already snapped at this time and had already had my sighting. I wanted nothing more than get the fuck out of Bentwaters and the USAF. I was in trouble with my drinking and was just a mind full of mush at this point in my life. I am making no excuses. I was weak and they preyed on that. However, I was the one who suggested they might want to take a look at Larry because I knew he had gone to Amsterdam recently or was about to. I was spouting off every name I could to get me out of this mess and get back home. So it was not like they were out to get him. Not from where I was sitting. Perhaps they picked on me hoping I would give them some dirt on Larry . . .

ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE READIN THIS GREAT EXCERPT FROM YCTTP
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD EXPLAIN WHERE THESE DARN ALLEDGED PHOTOS ARE ?!
cheers

[Ignis Fatuus]

Awaiting advances in photoshopology.

So many interesting characters with so many interesting back stories, all - more or less - in the same places at the same times. Anybody suspect their quarters had been searched whilst on the UFO trip?

[epl442]

so thats a no then ?
there is more information out there on the toilet habits of the green costerican flying tree frog-than there is on these alledged pics!

[Ignis Fatuus]

Luckily for us, Steven Spielberg had the foresight to pre-construct the Encounter in 1977. Spooky how many things Spielberg got right.

[String09]

To all concerned,i believe there was an issue of the late Graham Birdsall's now defunct UFO magazine which did reproduce a couple of the photographs,although not the enhanced version which Georgina Bruni had done.Given time i should be able to dig said issue out from wherever it's hiding in my cave/closet.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Larry with visiting Dignitary.

[Shearwater]

Why do you keep posting your daft contributions, 'Ignis'?
They long ago ceased to amuse!


'You do so much 'talk' we feel like tearing you a new a**hole'

[Ignis Fatuus]

Do you like our Owl?