CIA using us

[Observer]

Hi John

As i have said before, i have wondered if this whole thing was an experiment on you guys. Who did it, your guess is as good as mine.

Observer

[Deep Purple]

Hi JB, thanks for your continued help with this most of puzzling of case, a number of us do think the case was related to some sort of test of top secret technology, or the loss of a top secret bit of kit.
I dont think it was a soviet test on us as at the time we would have taken some sort of revenge. More likely something developed by the UK or US or both. The possibilities seem to fall along these lines given or current knowledge.
1. EMP weapon ( Electro Magnetic Pulse) design to knock out electrical systems may also interfere with humans
2. Particle beam weapon, where they testing whether they could bring down soviet satellite? could they guide the beam? could the beam be sent up to space and directed back down onto a missle silo?
3. High powered laser
4. Non lethal weapon designed to cause confusion and disfunction
5. Zero gravity machine test
6 Plasma weapon of some kind
7. Weapon designed to interfer with space / time
8. Help me out hear guys

we do need to bear in mind this may not have been a full weapon test just parts of it --- a bit like when they drop a practice bomb

It might be worth seeing if we could get in contact with Nick Cook who wrote the Hunt for Zero Point Gravity, a book well worth reading. It reads like science fiction, but is factual and does mention Orford Ness.
It goes back to the second world war and details some of the research undertaken by the Nazis which was brutal, but quite brilliant.
I dont think Nick beleives in UFO either, more what we see is technology test. As an editor of Jaynes his credentials are high
What do people think?

[puddlepirate]

Now, this will make you all spit blood!! )

What if and I stress only what if, the whole thing was a gigantic spoof...a hoax that got out of hand, originated by a couple of guys on duty on Boxing Day night and bored witless. I can imagine, for example, a couple of lads twiddling their thumbs in the Bentwaters flight tower thinking what a merry jape it would be to phone the SP and say there are odd lights over the forest. They sit back to watch the result and pleased with the reaction, do it again the next night.....then when Halt and co get involved, they think 'Ooops!!'...and Halt, too embarrassed to admit to running around the forest in the dead of night extends the myth....

On a serious note, am I right in thinking this incident didn't come to light until after Randles, Butler and Street published Skycrash?

Also, out of all the people on the bases and in the area at that time (off duty personnel and local residents) have only five witnesses come forward? JB, Pennistion, Burroughs, Halt and Warren?

I'm going to duck now.....

[Deep Purple]

I think its unlikely to be just a huge joke or spoof. It would take too many personel to get involved in. Also if this were so I would have thought Halt getting to the bottom of it would have at the time put the thing to bed along the lines" I beleive it was unknown US personel engaged in an xmas practical joke and they will be disciplined when identified", why risk anything else?
Halt could have faced some nasty charges at courts martial if he knowingly let it just run, and even if he thought it might have been a hoax I'm sure for career purposes he would have steered it this way, must easier to deal with than UFOs

[John Burroughs]

I was just entering different things into Yahoo. One of the things was mind control weapons. What came up was very interesting. It was a CNN Electromagnetic mind control weapons report by Chuck Decaro in 1985. The same Chuck Decaro who did the special assignment report on Bentwaters read the story. One of the things they talk about is being able to shot down beams of light at people and control what they see. Also setting up a platform and aiming beams at people with generators. What if the try pods were left by a platform. What if the radition was from the device. Read the article and see what you think

[Deep Purple]

Hi JB, thanks for good thinking on mind control, we can look at this as it definately could be a possiblity. Certainly it seems likely that strong elctro magnetic fields in close proximity to people can cause hallicinations, I remember Dr Susan Blackwell did some reseach into this.
A device produced to cause such an effect could have been useful during the cold war if it disabled soviet troops caused and them to surrender or be less effective. Once some surrender other will do so. Conversely with tough people like the Soviets Kill one of thier buddies and they will fight to the end

[Observer]

I have to say that John has got a point, we have all to one extent or another ignored their statements concerning the heavy electrostatic atmosphere, hair standing up, feeling like they were in slow motion, feeling wierd and the radios playing up.
This is evidence, so take it at face value, don't disbalieve them and search for the technology.

Observer

[John Burroughs]

If you read the article is says you can shoot down beams of light from a Helicoper using a antenna which then can control waht you see and feel!

[puddlepirate]

just to cover off the hoax stuff....I don't believe it was a hoax by the way, but just as a heads up on the elaborate hoaxes contrived by the British Army. search on Google for 'the badgers arse' it's a British Army rumours website and has loads of stuff about the hoaxes the Pongo's played....

[puddlepirate]

There are loads of theories flying around....might I suggest we take one at a time, research it as a group, evaluate it then either put it to bed or take it further. We seem to be flying off at all kinds of tangents.

Let's take the EMP one first....serious study. Evidence our statements then come to a reasoned conclusion before moving on to something else. Leaping around from one thing to another is not helping us at all.

[Observer]

Hi Folks

According to a recent documentery on one of the SKY channels titled 'Future Weapons' EMP was one of the subjects. They had built a device to try and replicate the Electro magnetic pulse that is emitted from a nuclear burst. This device was tested at the White Sands missile test range and it was 1,000,000 volts. It never came close to the amount of EMP from a bomb. All they managed to do was disable a cars electronic management system within a 200 yard radius, so I don't think they could have done this back in the 70's/80's. There was a lot of work carried out from the 60's onwards by Western powers to harden military solid state systems against EMP. The guy doing the test drove a car into the pulse field and it just conked out. He felt nothing or had any side effects.
They are considering developing this as a weapon to disable the enemies electronics, but they said it was harmless to humans.

Observer

[redsocks]

Hi All

Hmm some interesting stuff flying about at the moment that will have to take some absorbing.Let me just throw my two pennath in here with gravity etc.Did I read a few years back that the US were working on developing an anti-gravity craft? does anyone know how far this was taken.I'm sure there must have been a US anti gravity programme that could be interesting to us all.Question for John Burroughs can I ask John what you do now for a living? are you still involved with the military in any way?.

Redsocks

[Observer]

Hi redsocks

Read my article, 'Britains Black Projects'

Observer

[IanR]

when was his [Gordon Levett's] sighting supposedly made? The ever-so-unreliable UFO Walk leaflet and plaque says it was on the evening of December 26. Georgina, though, says Levett was not able to verify the exact date "but was sure it was sometime around 28 or 29 December" between 19.00 and 20.00 hours.

To add to the confusion, Jenny Randles in her book UFO Crash Landing? published in 1998 suggests Gordon Levett's sighting was on December 27. She also reports that his dog died a week later. However, Georgina B spoke to Levett and ascertained that the dog did not die as a result of the encounter.

I have never seen Levett interviewed in any of the TV documentaries about the case. However, another local witness, Gerry Harris, has been interviewed a number of times.

Ian

[puddlepirate]

I won't be posting on here for a while because I have an area of research that I want to explore in some detail. However, for info:

RAF Honington, Suffolk
Buccaneers flying out of Honington in 1980
Buccaneer fleet grounded in 1980 after accident due to metal fatigue problem in front wing spar
Some aircraft repaired, some scrapped
Fitted with Pave Spike and Pave Way (in underwing pod)
Flew in joint RAF/USAFE trials of Pave Spike and Pave Way

Today I placed several FoI requests with MoD and one request with an MoD department to see a closed document.

Also, an RAF aircraft went down approx 10 miles NE of Lowestoft on 9 Dec 80. However, of all the air accident reports available, when this one was requested a '404-page not found' error was returned. Have asked for a copy of the document from the website contact.

[ghaynes]

Also, an RAF aircraft went down approx 10 miles NE of Lowestoft on 9 Dec 80. However, of all the air accident reports available, when this one was requested a '404-page not found' error was returned. Have asked for a copy of the document from the website contact.

No idea where your research is taking you mate!
For your info:
9 Dec 1980 - Phantom FGR.2, XV414, 23 Sqn, RAF Wattisham.
Crashed 10miles off Lowestoft following an engine fire.
Flt Lt Steve Martin and Flt Lt Nick Morgan ejected safely.

Regards.

Graham

[puddlepirate]

Nor do I but we shall see.

Thanks for the info though.

[Observer]

Hi puddlepirate

What decided your investigation into the Honnington Buccaneers and their weapons. Pave way is an airfield or battlefield denial weapon, not sure what the Pave spike is. Hardly think one of these would cause a 30 year hush up.

Observer

[ghaynes]

Hi puddlepirate

What decided your investigation into the Honnington Buccaneers and their weapons. Pave way is an airfield or battlefield denial weapon, not sure what the Pave spike is. Hardly think one of these would cause a 30 year hush up.

Observer

Pave Spike is a laser designator pod. It was used by Buccs in the first Gulf War to illuminate targets for Tornados carrying Paveway laser guided bombs.
Regards.

Graham

[Observer]

Hi Graham

I think i got confused with another weapon that we had. It was a large flatish container with lots of small bomblets in it, i thought it Pave Way but obviously not. I know that the Hunting aircraft company were the developers and we tested it on Salisbury Plain. It was rather nasty.

Observer