Underground Facility

[Observer]

Hi Graham

Thanks for that info on Coltishall. Is there no end to this governments paranoia on shrinking the RAF. They won't be satisfied until there is just one base in Scotland and one base in England and then they will proudly announce all the money they have saved which will no doubt be squandered [nothing new there then] on some hair brained scheme to get votes. They will then say we can still defend ourselves. 'Tossers'.

Could you briefly out line the history of B/Waters & W/Bridge. I believe that Woodbridge was initially built as an emergency landing strip for returning allied WW-2 bombers after raids over Germany?

Regards

Observer

[ghaynes]

Hi Graham
Could you briefly out line the history of B/Waters & W/Bridge. I believe that Woodbridge was initially built as an emergency landing strip for returning allied WW-2 bombers after raids over Germany?

Regards

Observer

Yep.......I did....see my earlier post
Regards.

Graham

[SouthyR1]

In Warrens book, during a stop over Warren and Robbins were introduced to "B" an independant contractor who held appropriate base security passes who was employed by the USAF.
He says he worked all over Bentwaters and occasionally under it.
He told the pair that underground concrete tunnels ring the base just below the surface. He had been down them a number of times and thought they COULD connect to an underground bunker. RAF Bentwaters possesed the largest bomb dump in all of Europe and huge banks of infrared lights were used to maintain the ordnance at a certain tempurature-- 103 degrees.
All the fixtures were still in place down there as were the huge generators that powered them.
He then goes on to say that on the far side of the concrete, bombproof hanger where one of the tunnels finished, bricked up with concrete bricks.
At the far side of that mound is what i think are false water tanks, they tried to release water and nothing came out. The valves dont work but he thinks they were made to look realistic.
I think if they move a mobile crane in the tanks could possibly lift out and underneath them is probably a staircase which leads doen to the underground bunker.
if you read Warrens book, the updated version page xxxi.
So sorry Graham i am unable to pin point the location of the tanks.
It would be interesting to see if they are there as you may know the location of these on Bentwaters.
Maybe someone should get in touch with Larry Warren, get him back and see if he can remember where they are??
As it being relevant to the case, i believe it still could be. With hypnotic regression some of the men took, the underground story keeps popping up.
The men were illegedly taken here, but why?
As for my theory, i am still keeping an open mind.
Am planning another visit when work permits, i have already been once, on the UFO trail, and it was very creepy.
Could you also shed an light on the previous posts i made that Observer uploaded some photos, about the concrete man hole covers dotted around the walk?
What are they for, and also the structure in the forrest which has already been identified as a ammunition dump, but when i saw it, it had a new padlock, whether to repell people from going in, and also it looked as though there was some sort of lift but coulodnt be sure.
You answers would be most appreciated.
Thanks again for every one who has replied and viewed my posts.

Oh, and your right, latest news is that Coltishall is being turned in to an Eco Village with the Historic and once busy runway being turned in to a broad!!
Wonder how much it will cost to live there!!!! :D

Regards

Andy(SouthyR1)

[Observer]

Hi Andy,

Concerning the alleged under ground facilities at RAF Bentwaters, i really am not qualified to make comment other than i don't believe there were or are any or at least not as described by Larry Warren. Graham Haynes is best placed to make a more educated comment than me.

As for the 'man hole' covers in Rendlesham forest, Admin has a better take on this than me. Yes, the bomb dump at B/Waters was one of the largest nuclear bomb stock piles in Europe and was stored using the 'HOT ROW' system, [built i might add by MOD contractors, there were no nuclear weapons stored at Woodbridge, regardless of what Larry Warren said].

If you want to go bang for bang on who had the biggest stock piles, RAF V bomber bases had strategic 'H' bomb stockpiles where as Bentwaters was more theatre weapons in the Kiloton range. There were no aircraft based at the twin bases large enough to carry any thing but small KT weapons which were designed for European theatre operations. The RAF's V force with H weapons was for direct deployment on Russia & Soviet Union.
Bentwaters continued on for many years as a nuclear base long after the RAF lost its nuclear role to the Navy.

Regards

Observer

[ghaynes]

In Warrens book, during a stop over Warren and Robbins were introduced to "B" an independant contractor who held appropriate base security passes who was employed by the USAF.
He says he worked all over Bentwaters and occasionally under it.
He told the pair that underground concrete tunnels ring the base just below the surface. He had been down them a number of times and thought they COULD connect to an underground bunker. RAF Bentwaters possesed the largest bomb dump in all of Europe and huge banks of infrared lights were used to maintain the ordnance at a certain tempurature-- 103 degrees.
All the fixtures were still in place down there as were the huge generators that powered them.
He then goes on to say that on the far side of the concrete, bombproof hanger where one of the tunnels finished, bricked up with concrete bricks.
At the far side of that mound is what i think are false water tanks, they tried to release water and nothing came out. The valves dont work but he thinks they were made to look realistic.
I think if they move a mobile crane in the tanks could possibly lift out and underneath them is probably a staircase which leads doen to the underground bunker.
if you read Warrens book, the updated version page xxxi.
So sorry Graham i am unable to pin point the location of the tanks.
It would be interesting to see if they are there as you may know the location of these on Bentwaters.
Maybe someone should get in touch with Larry Warren, get him back and see if he can remember where they are??
As it being relevant to the case, i believe it still could be. With hypnotic regression some of the men took, the underground story keeps popping up.
The men were illegedly taken here, but why?
As for my theory, i am still keeping an open mind.
Am planning another visit when work permits, i have already been once, on the UFO trail, and it was very creepy.
Could you also shed an light on the previous posts i made that Observer uploaded some photos, about the concrete man hole covers dotted around the walk?
What are they for, and also the structure in the forrest which has already been identified as a ammunition dump, but when i saw it, it had a new padlock, whether to repell people from going in, and also it looked as though there was some sort of lift but coulodnt be sure.
You answers would be most appreciated.
Thanks again for every one who has replied and viewed my posts.

Oh, and your right, latest news is that Coltishall is being turned in to an Eco Village with the Historic and once busy runway being turned in to a broad!!
Wonder how much it will cost to live there!!!!

Regards

Andy(SouthyR1)

Hi Andy,
Yes there are large concrete 'tunnels' around the base. This is pipework to do with the runway/airfield drainage system. I have not investigated them myself but I know the owners have. I'm led to believe that the complex drainage system at Bentwaters is due to the high water-table around the site. The valves are still there and are very real. Tried operating one myself but it was seized up.
Regards.

Graham

[Deep Purple]

One place that I have been to not a million miles from the base, that could have been used and was very secure was the armament storage depot at East Dean, Hampshire. I have been given an external tour of this huge facility by the police and it is truly massive. Its no longer used now but is still in the hands of the MOD. The facility is built into the side of a huge hill with tunnels leading into it where weapons were stored. I beliive it has its own railway line still. Last time I was up there the machine guns pits near the entrance were still visible. This is the sort of place a drugged airman could easliy have been taken for interogation. This base would have been operating at very high security during this period.
I under stand some nukes could have been there some of the time as this could have serviced Porstmouth and Plymouth Navy bases
Also the US army had a huge storage depot at Hythe in Hampshire which I believe had tunnels and bunkers. I have never been round this facility.
I have as I say been around the outside of East Dean site and its a huge

[Observer]

Hi deep purple

I'v heard of this place and it reminded me of the under ground slate mine on the banks of the river Dee in North Wales where all the dam busters bouncing bombs were stored during the war prior to delivery to Lincolnshire. This is open to the public and there is even a cafe in side. A great visit.

From your text, you imply that Larry Warren and others may have been taken to this facility in Hampshire whilst drugged. From reading Larry's book there is no mention of any long car journey or at least he does not lead the reader to think he was taken off base, which would i guess be several days if he had.
There is another under ground maze in the side of a hill some where down in Somerset or Gloucestershire where a branch line runs off the main line into the hill side. The entrance is a locked steel door and still belongs to the MOD. Apparently, according to Tony Robinson of the Time Team program, there is even an under ground station in this hill similar in design to a London under ground station. This may have been for the war time government if they had to evacuate?

Peepsight

[ghaynes]

One place that I have been to not a million miles from the base, that could have been used and was very secure was the armament storage depot at East Dean, Hampshire. I have been given an external tour of this huge facility by the police and it is truly massive. Its no longer used now but is still in the hands of the MOD. The facility is built into the side of a huge hill with tunnels leading into it where weapons were stored. I beliive it has its own railway line still. Last time I was up there the machine guns pits near the entrance were still visible. This is the sort of place a drugged airman could easliy have been taken for interogation. This base would have been operating at very high security during this period.
I under stand some nukes could have been there some of the time as this could have serviced Porstmouth and Plymouth Navy bases
Also the US army had a huge storage depot at Hythe in Hampshire which I believe had tunnels and bunkers. I have never been round this facility.
I have as I say been around the outside of East Dean site and its a huge

I'm pretty sure this site has coverage of East Dean somewhere. It's well worth a look anyway :
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/alan-turnbull/secret.htm

Regards.

Graham

[Deep Purple]

Thanks for info. It just strikes me that a drugged disoriented airman could easily be transported to some where like East Dean for interogation. The East Dean site is about 20mins or so from Boscombe Down. So you you easily drug an airman shove him in a Helo or Hercules, Lear Jet and be in Boscombe Down very quickly then take him road very quickly to East Dean.
I must state that I have no evidence that this is what happended, but I'm trying to think outside the box!
This could explain why Larry thought he was in the base underground complex when none existed.
I have no knowledge of military interogation techniques, but I would image that trying to convince a scared drugged airman that he was in part of the base he did not know existed could well be past of the disorientation process.
What I'm trying to show is that although there may be no underground facilities and Rendlesham, Larry's account could be truthful him simply would have not realised where he really was.

[Deep Purple]

Apologises for the spelling and gramatical errors in last post--- too much Stella.
Sorry Guys

[Observer]

Hi Deep Purple

I can see the point you are making concerning Larry Warren and the possibility he was whisked away to another facility for interrogation etc.

What we must all remember is that there were lots of servicemen who were involved in this incident many, much closer and involved than Larry. Yet the majority have not mentioned this as Larry has. We must also keep in mind that quite a few servicemen including Lt Col Halt say that Larry was not involved or was out in the forest on the nights in question. So who do you believe. I tend to go along with what the majority have said.

If Larry was taken away for interrogation, i would have thought a base much closer like RAF Mildenhall or Lakenheath or even a local RAF base such as Coltishall or Wattisham would be much more logical and easier to get to. One theory put to me recently, was that if there were interrogations it was a joint thing between the MOD and USAF which means that the MOD know a lot more than they are letting on.

The bottom line on this is, i doubt we will ever know the truth.

Observer

[Deep Purple]

Thanks for reply and really good points raised. It is such a strange case on so many levels, I'm not sure that we will ever Know the truth.
Perhaps at some stage it would be nice to get a load of the forum members together and review what we know and dont know. Perhaps a camping weekend near the site? BBQ & Beer?

[Observer]

Hi Deep Purple

I like your idea of a get together involving all the main players on the forum. Logistically i suspect it would be hard to achieve considering individuals circumstances and their availability on dates set. I'm not into camping but like the beer angle.

As a secondry idea, this incident and all the evidence we have collectively compiled needs to be sifted through and put into various trays. The trays need to be labelled by catigory,

Probably, Possibly, maybe, definate, No, Yes, etc.

I think this forum is great and we have all contributed some interesting input, however, i think the time is right now, for perhaps ADMIN to come up with some sort of summery, where he can put some stuff in the 'trash' bin and keep other stuff. Sifting through this is beyond me.

Many posts have gone off subject or have gone down blind ally's so this all needs some perspective putting on it to bring us back in line. I still think there are one or two roads we haven't been down yet in our investigations, but i will leave that for now and see what Admin has to say.

Observer

[Deep Purple]

Thanks for reply, I reckon maybe some time next year would be good. The reason I suggest camping is you are nearer to nature and might get more of a "feel" for the place. However as you are local I dont imagine it would be a problem if we run a camping weekend and you joined us and went home at night ( suitably intoxicated!).
You are right perhaps if admin had a think along the lines suggested that would be really great. Might be worth seeing if any witnesses to the events or base at the time could come along. As long as everyone chills out and accepts there maybe more than one point of view it could be a very useful event and maybe brainstorm some ideas.
If all else fails it should be a laugh!
I suggest that event would be strictly non profit making if possible
I'm far more interseted in the truth than profit
What do other forum members think?

[Observer]

Hi Deep Purple

I think you may be misinformed about me, I used to be local but i now live in London.

I visit the area about twice a year mainly to see old friends etc.

Regards

Observer

[puddlepirate]

Hi all, I'm new to this forum but thought I'd add my tuppenceworth to the debate over the concrete structures, manholes etc in Rendlesham forest. I was at Rendlesham at the weekend and walked the UFO trail, more out of curiosity than expectation of learning anything new. But that's not to say that the walk isn't enjoyable, because it is. Very much so. I didn't know about the bunkers until I read his forum or I would have taken a look at them.

However, I live in Welwyn Garden City, Herts, UK and nearby is a very large wood named Sherrard's wood. In the middle of Sherrard's wood is something very similar to the brick compound shown in the images of Rendlesham forest (I'll photograph it and post the images). I've no idea what the compound was used for but from its condition it appears to date from about WW2. Perhaps the structure in Rendlesham forest and that in Sherrard's wood had the same, or very similar, function.

With regard to the manholes etc.. During WW2 there was an very secret Home Guard outfit whose job was to form small guerilla units to attack the enemy should England have been invaded. Documentaries about this group have been shown on TV relatively recently. They established underground bolt holes in many woodland areas throughout the UK, so perhaps those in Rendlesham forest are something to do with such a group, particularly as the forest is very close to where enemy forces would have come ashore. Then there are the rumours of fuel lines being laid out to sea from the foreshore near Shingle Street. As craft approached the beach, fuel pumped from these lines would be lit to engulf the enemy in a blazing inferno (who said us Brits were nice people - we used to do the same thing with molten lead and boiling oil in years past!) - perhaps those mysterious bunkers are to do with that - or other [at one time] highly classified ops / experiments out on the Ness....