Left at East Gate, questions to Larry Warren

[stephan]

In my opinion the book Left at East Gate by Larry Warren and Peter Robbins is a must read when it comes to the RFI. I have to say that it's one of the most intriguing books I've ever read - and I've read many books! Still there remain many open questions which is of course - when dealing with UFOs - in the nature of things. So here is a list of questions (and a few remarks) from notes which I made while reading the book. Please keep in mind that this is a rather long list and I asked Larry if it's okay to post it. He told me that he would need some time for the answers. So if you have your own questions to him, I suggest you proceed as I did, i.e. plz ask him first and give him some time to answer Thank you very much for taking the time Larry !

questions and remarks, abbreviations: LAEG = Left At East Gate

p. 21

The instructor, with a grin on his face, answered: ''I guarded UFOs!''

Wright-Patterson AFB is known among those involved with UFO conspiracy theories as the home of Project Blue Book and because of its connection with the Roswell UFO incident of July 1947. Some believe that Hangar 18, assigned to the Air Force's Foreign Technology Division at Wright-Patterson, along with the Area 51 installation in Nevada, contains, or once contained, wreckage of a crashed UFO.[7]

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright-Pat ... Force_Base

Q1: how did you interpret the statement of your instructor, did you think he could be telling the truth ?

p. 35, 3rd paragraph

Q2: do you know if Roy Wilkenson who took (or wanted to take) photos of the UFO on 27. Dec 80 has come forward as a witness ?

p. 44

As we approached the field, Bustinza said to me in a half whisper: ''This is just like what happened to me in Alaska.''

Q3: has Bustinza given more details about what happened in Alaska ?

p. 45

The radios were active. I could hear what sounded like pilot communications. Someone repeated over the air: ''Here it comes. Here it comes. Here it comes.''

remark: some sceptics say there should have been interceptors in the air. This quote suggests that this was the case

p. 55

On the way, Steve Longaro joined me. Steve said he'd learned that a few men had been sent out to the forest to create a false landing site, Penniston among them.

Q4: how did you personally evaluate Longaro's claim ?

p. 59-62

Q5: please refer to this post.

What do you think about that possibility ?

p. 66

Q6: you mention that you were handed orders for Ramstein AFB where you were to provide security and crowd control for the American hostages (Iran hostage crisis. Was it Ramstein AFB or Rhein-Main Air Base instead ?

The Wiki article says:

The hostages were flown to Algeria as a symbolic gesture for the help of that government in resolving the crisis. The flight continued to Rhein-Main Air Base in West Germany, where former President Carter, acting as emissary, received them.

p. 92

Q7: here you mention that you drew a sketch of the Bentwaters UFO. Do you still possess this sketch or is it the same as on page 288 in your book ?

p. 126/ 127

Q8: you write that you bled through your neck and that a doctor said that such a symptom would be typical for exposure to radiation. I've googled a bit to find out if there can be other causes for bleeding through skin. There's a drug called prednisone which is said to cause this, see Link (post #10). Then there's Purpura which can also be caused by radiation poinsoning. Considering that the doctor said that usually the symptom of bleeding through skin occurs much later than after four years (as in your case) and that there are additional symptoms which I don't know if you had/ have them it might be advisable to take other causes than exposure to radiation into account. The doctors asked you to

keep them posted on any further developments''

- I guess that there would have been some - were there any ?

See more info on symptoms of radiation sickness.

p. 129

One lesser-known speaker infuriated me. He stated that a credible UFO witness must have at least a bachelor's degree to be taken seriously. [...] I walked out of his lecture. [...] I said that a garbage man was just as qualified as a Ph.D. to report a UFO sighting.

I totally agree with you here !!

p. 135

Just as we got about fifty yards away, we started to feel the hair on our necks and arms and stuff stand up.

this effect of the UFO is also confirmed by J. Penniston who got close to it (or another UFO craft).

p. 142

Here Adrian Bustinza confirms that two helicopters were scrambled (a pararescue squadron)

p. 146

Adrian Bustinza says:

I remember Colonel Halt talking, and I remember looking to who he was talking to and I couldn't see nobody. [...] And I do remember him saying he would contact the electronics devision, which would be CRF [...] And they would possibly have to get the part from another world.

Q9: this sounds very strange. What was your final take on this statement by A.B. ? Was he making things up or is there something to it ?

p. 161

J. Burroughs is mistaken by Captain Warzinski for L. Warren

p. 173/174

what your mother, Joann, narrates here is very similar to the experience I had in my childhood. I also woke up (out of a dream) and saw this strange shadow shaped like a figure with a large head on the curtain of my window. There shouldn't have been a shadow as there actually was no light outside. Then I was scared as hell and ran out of my bedroom to my parents to tell them what I had just seen. When my father returned with me to my room the shadow was gone. Since that day I've always slept (for many years) with the blanket drawn over the left side of my head. I was always frightened when I went to bed and would often turn to the window to check if there was anything. Recently someone told me this is a trauma. I did not recognize it as such but obviously the issue has influenced me many years.

p. 177

here Col. Halt allegedly said to Spiegel (WNBC radio) that aliens had been observed and that Williams had been involved on the third night of UFO activity. On page 327 Halt denies this vehemently. However, Halt allegedly said to Spiegel that he:

would only tell what he knew of the whole story if Congress subpoenaed him to testify.

it's very unlikely this is going to happen. So will Halt - if this is true - ever tell the whole story ? Maybe he could comment on this last quote or perhaps he has already done so so that people won't have to raise any false hopes.

p. 178

besides the civilian Gerry Harris another important witness is mentioned: Gordon Levitt

p. 179

''CNN has also found an officer who says he drove the base commander to a waiting aircraft to deliver what he was told was a motion-picture film of one of the UFOs.'' followed by the officer's statement.

Q10: any idea who that officer was ?

p. 180/181

Q11: here you mention a huge UFO over ''Allen Street'' witnessed by many and carried by a local newspaper. Do you happen to have a copy of that newspaper or do you know about any other report on this mass sighting ? If not, do you remember the exact date when it happened ?

p. 183

here you mention a photo from your honeymoon pictures on which you were able to

see what appeared to be the hazy image of an alien, large eyes and all.

Q12: I hope you retained this photo. If so could you please scan it and show it to us ?

p. 223

again it is said that Halt confirmed to Boeche William's presence on the night of the incident and that latter took a film of the landed UFO with him.

p. 246 ff.

when you went into Rendlesham forest with Peter Robbins you made a similar experience to the one which Halt and his team made in 1980. I've noticed that there are also quite some verbal similarities or even commonalities with the Halt tape (HT):

Let's do it carefully.

p. 246, same as HT

keep your light off

p 246 vs.

Keep the flashlights off.

Why don't we turn the flashlight out

p. 246 vs.

well, douse flashlights then.

Here he comes right around the corner

p. 247 vs.

here he comes from the south

coming toward us

p. 251, same as HT

It's going down a little bit.

p. 252 vs.

it's losing a little bit of altitude

This is unreal.

p. 253, same as HT

I'm sure there were more similarities, haven't noted them all

Q13: are these just coincidences or did you say these things intentionally, if so, why ? Furthermore you hear a woman's scream:

A woman's scream it sounds like. Halt has statements saying that that's what happened.

p. 255

Q14: you also mention animals freaking out and there's a remark that those sounds are audible on tape. Have you or Peter Robbins published the tape ? Would be interesting to hear those sounds

p. 276

Q15: you mention a stealth-type aircraft flying directly over the ''Old House'' (where you stayed with Tony an Jan) and that you made a quick sketch of it. Do you still have that sketch and if so could you please scan and upload it to show us ?

p. 279

Q16: you write that you met with J. Burroughs. Does he recall that meeting and does he also remember that he attempted to record you when you described the life-forms to him ? (p. 280)

p. 290

There's nothing honorable about any of them because they don't particularly give a fuck.

Q17: who do you mean ?

p. 294

International UFO Reporter published Benton Jamison's ''A Fire in the Forest: New Light on the Rendlesham Landing.'' [...] Had Warren stayed out in the cold, Halt's memo would most probably have stayed in the files.

p. 307

The NSA has an unusually high rate of mental illness and suicide.

I wonder why that is.

p. 318

it would be interesting to find out more about the ''Confirmed UFO Landing in Voronezh'' as reported by Tass in Oct. 1989

p. 331, PR= Peter Robbins, CH= Charles Halt

Larry Warren was not a player. Larry Warren was in the background, picked up information, and put things together. And I think Larry Warren has been influenced, and I'll leave it at that.

Q18: so Halt is a player. But what exactly means player ?

PR. Um hum, we have witnesses, too. Adrian Bustinza for one.
CH. Ah, not very credible. Be careful.

p. 347, CD= Chuck DeCaro

CD. Did anybody get hit by one of those beams?
LW. Yes.
CD. Who was illuminated?
LW. Well Burroughs. [...]

[...]

CD. Penniston. Ok. They went out, uh, who tried to tackle it? Burroughs tried to chase it.

LW. Burroughs grabbed it- and it moved ten meters with him on it. He told me exactly what happened out in California.

Q19: So, Burroughs grabbed the UFO in Rendlesham. Or California ?!


p. 349

Chuck DeCaro mentions the CIA's operation Grill Flame. Possibly something to look into more detail.

p. 353

C. Halt says that he has suspicions that you have been ''meddled with''. He goes on:

there are people who can do things that you would not believe. [...] Everything from remote viewing to you name it. There's some stuff that's way, that's so far out, that if you published it, people would laugh. And there are people that actually practice some of these things with great success.

Q20: what do you think about Halt's statement here ?

p. 355

CH. Where did the little green men come from?

LW. They weren't green [laughs].

that's exactly the same what MacBrazel said to the owner of the radio station who interviewed him about Roswell when being asked after the show what the fuss it is all about those ''little green men''.

p. 359

Q21: here Halt confirms that Burroughs ''came forward'' and you say that ''he grabbed the thing, and it moved.'' As far as I know John cannot recall this action. But you are sure that you saw him doing that ?

p. 364

Q22: Halt mentions RAF Bodzy, an alleged secret radar base, which he says may have attracted some ''attention'' by sending out a lot of different frequencies and by doing strange things. What or whom do you think did he mean with ''attracted some attention'' - aliens perhaps ?

p. 373

In a taped interview with Mr. (Harry) Harris, Col. Halt said, ''[...] I am now convinced we saw something beyond anything we can understand and was not built by any government on earth.''

Q23: did Halt really make this statement ? If so this would have been an early confession, thus the recent one wouldn't be a new one.

p. 380/381/382

in the hypnotic regression session with Budd Hopkins you say that the guys who abducted you sprayed something into your face and talk about a bright white light in that car:

it burns the eyes

p. 380

A bright light, like a flashlight in my eye, and its horrific- horrible to look at it; my left eye: a white, bright light

p. 381

I see a bright pin spot of, white light in my left eye. It's only imagery, and it's all I have, is to see, is this white ...

p. 382
Q24: could this be the true cause for your eye damage, instead of the silent explosion you observed when you saw the UFO materialize ? Perhaps those strange people were responsible for it using for example a bright flashlight after they had sprayed that substance into your face which burned in your eyes.

p. 395

He [Halt] had hidden away some evidence in the event that something should happen to him.

Q25: what might that be ?

p. 396

On the first night, one of the witnesses ended up missing after the encounter.

Q26: any idea who it was ?

p. 397

By the end of the second night, NATO and USAFE command had readied itself for another possible return of the unknown crafts.

that was my thought earlier. I pondered that if I was ET and I wanted to cause some ''reaction'' I would visit on three consecutive days/ nights in order to make sure that people down there get the message and prepare for a likely third night. The first night for making them aware, the second for making them prepare and the third night to run the big show

p. 397

On the morning of 29 December, tactical teams flew in from Germany [...] They were at Woodbridge base to check damage to the nuclear ars[]enal, as the UFOs had fired pencil-thin beams into the bunkers that housed them.

and I BET that they did some damage !

p. 415

Q27: here P. Robbins suggests that Adrian Bustinza had seen Williams instead of Halt. Have you ever asked him again about it ?

and finally Q28:

The discoloration of the landing site on Capel Green, is it still visible ? If so we could take a closer look at it via Google Earth/ Maps. Here's the area which I suppose IS the actual area ? Perhaps you could mark the exact point with a red cross:

[larry warren]

i will get on it steve tonight, after i finnish another enchanting day at work, Cheers Larry

[stephan]

that's great Larry, I'm really curious about what your answers will be!

[AgentAppleseed]

This is a question for Larry Warren. Considering what I just asked of Jim(on stephans thread entitles-questions for Jim and John), do you think its possible that the effect you described of seeing your shadow taking another step after you, on the surface of the craft may have peen a projection, in the sense that the skin of the craft may have acted like an L.C.D computer screen and may have been capable of displaying images? I realise that the object you saw did not appear to be the same object Jim saw.Another reason I ask this question, is that you gave a description of a ball of light leaping from between the head area of your shadows as they appeared reflected on the side of the craft? I believe you made the following observation, and Im paraphrasing, "like a videogame"?
Or would you go with the idea that this was simply a "temporal" effect?
Thank you very much for your time!

[larry warren]

OK, im gonna do 5 answers a day as my time machine is on the move alot latly, also my server thing is really bad to me.
Q1 ..ANS, That statement always stuck in my mind, and happened just as written in the book, i currently dont have a copie of the book but thats ok, cause i lived it. the staff sargent was a big polish guy, we were at camp bullis texas, they were blowing up stuff on the range someone asked him where he was stationed, the sarg said wright patterson afb, i asked what he did there
he said i garded UFOs and gave me a wink, god damnd weird, longaro was also there, but in hind site and with some other nonstandard stuff going on with me at the time that im clear on now, i wonder! the AF is a strange animal.

Q2..Ans,Roy came forward to us, hes also on the video when i get hung up breaking into the Base back in the 90s, from Essex
herd that somthing was goin down at the bases, "he had local friends" came up with his camera, the rest i think is in the book.
Beyond that Roy is EX SAS so be nice kids !no , im not in touch. Further i work day in day out with alot of ex SAS boys and i can assure you that they know far more about USAF air base security than any USAF SPs so i run stuff by them and they tell me how it was. i learn alot.

Q3.. ANS, Busty actually said california, it was at Davis AFB, i was corrected on that when he spoke to Larry Fauctt Waaaaay back in 1983 or 4 see im not always right ! if he gave me the details on it , ive long forgotten. crap, lets do 3 tonight, that way you will be excited for the next batch! kinda like East Enders. cheers

[tpreitzel]

Q3.. ANS, Busty actually said california, it was at Davis AFB, i was corrected on that when he spoke to Larry Fauctt Waaaaay back in 1983 or 4 see im not always right ! if he gave me the details on it , ive long forgotten. crap, lets do 3 tonight, that way you will be excited for the next batch! kinda like East Enders. cheers

Davis AFB in California? I think you mean Travis AFB near Fairfield, CA. Fairfield isn't too far from Davis, CA, a suburb of Sacramento.

[John Burroughs]

How about Mather AFB !

[stephan]

thank you for the first three Larry. Please feel free to answer as many as you like, one question a day would be just as good as three or five! Your book is also available online on Google books. I think you can use it as a reference:

Left at East Gate

re Q1: very interesting. So your impression was that there could have been something to it rather than it being a joke. I know the chance is very low but may be he takes cognizance of the RFI or this forum somehow. Unfortunately we don't have his name so we could contact him...

re Q2: I had to google SAS. Here's more:

The Special Air Service or SAS is a special forces regiment of the British Army that has served as a model for the special forces of other countries all over the world.[7][9] The Special Air Service together with the Special Boat Service (SBS), Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR), and the Special Forces Support Group (SFSG) form the United Kingdom Special Forces under the command of the Director Special Forces.

While the Special Air Service traces its origins to 1941 and the Second World War, they gained fame and recognition worldwide after successfully assaulting the Iranian Embassy and rescuing hostages during the 1980 Iranian Embassy Siege, lifting the regiment from obscurity outside the military establishment.[10]

source

hes also on the video when i get hung up breaking into the Base back in the 90s

the video won't happen to be on youtube, would it

as you are not in touch with him anymore - it's another witness who would be interesting to interview - perhaps Linda Moulton Howe could arrange something here, she seems to be very good at picking up RFI witnesses.

re Q3: thanks for clearing that up. Yep, tpreitzel or John are probably right as there seems to be no Davis AFB in California. There's a Davis-Monthan AFB in Arizona though but I guess that's not the one in question. Anyway, I recently watched a Rendlesham documentary on YT where they said that Adrian has not gone public probably because he had been quite ''impressed'' by what had been said to him: ''bullets are cheap''. I remember seeing him though on another YT vid in which he made a few statements but that wasn't really much. I think he's certainly a very important witness. We have same Adrians on the forum, maybe he's among them ? Would be cool.

[larry warren]

well i got the Davis thing wrong, whatever the base was it was california, and not alaska, Roy im sure, is contactable but we talked to him along time ago, peter may still have his details? get hold of peter!
is there an easier way to answer these? also how do i put a red freakin star on the map ? steve remember dude im almost 50 and really am not good on computers, i dont text either !
Q4..ANS, On the false landing site,.... After we got talked too in Ziglers office"not an underground base" we walked back tword
the guard shack , one of the people said that people were out in the forrest creating a false LZ incase the press came to the base, then the whole thing would go away, and the real stuff would be protected. Jims name was mentioned, but i dont buy that he would have done that ! it is possible that the C5 people that were out in the forrest did somthing like that, because there was alot of fear that the media would come, and i remember that well. they never did show up.

Q5 ANS, Spooks got very deep into the base, the underground thing im sure is mind control, we do know that the base does have UG areas because PSA people told us about them, martlesham heath was another UG facility, so if i went down it might have been there? in our book i deal with all of that, and my hypnosis with Budd Hopkins sorted it out, Black ops it
has to be.
Q6 ANS, we had orders cut for Avano AB, went with dog team and some other sps , this was when bush SR cut that arms for hostages deal, we went to ramstine and then on to Weisbaden where the returned hostages were greated by carter and also were keept in the hospital. i did a few high end dutys that in hind site i shouldent have. then the people were flown to stewart AFB in NY. the return was top secret untill just before they were released, in the book for the sake of illistrating the time frame< and i was honered to have taken part. Q7, ans, the drawing is likly with peter robbins ?

[stephan]

is there an easier way to answer these? also how do i put a red freakin star on the map ? steve remember dude im almost 50 and really am not good on computers, i dont text either !

Larry, please answer as you wish, if something is too difficult (be it my grammar or a too specific question) just leave it out As for the red star you could simply take a ruler and measure both the horizontal and vertical distance from e.g. the upper left corner of my pic and post these x and y coordinates here. I'd then transfer them on the pic and post it. Please be sure to include the unit (inch or centimeters) as I think you use a different unit than us Germans (we use centimeters). EDIT: oh, and please indicate the width of the picture on your screen as we may have different screen sizes.

re Q4: your answer is somewhat a relief for me as I already feared Jim might have been involved in the cover-up (a ''fear'' which was also caused by another thing he allegedly said to you on p. 50).

re Q5: hmm, I think the underground part will always remain a mystery as long as some official source does not come forward about those UG facilities. I could very well imagine that there are such installations but the huge cavern you describe where you could hardly say if it was people what you saw when you looked down into it sounds somewhat hard to believe / imagine.

re Q6: I just asked that question because I thought it may be possible to find some video footage about this greeting and if so I hoped to recognize you somewhere on that footage. That would be absolutely amazing and it would strongly support your credibility (as for those who may have doubts).

re Q7: so we'd have to ask Peter, then

[larry warren]

steve, sorry my time aint mine this week, what i will do is pick out importaint questians and answer them asap
Real quick, on Q4 Jims name was only mentioned as some people must have known somthing happened to him, he was well establis make up quoteshed in the air force then and had a bit of authority over us green horns, so the name came up, i know he did not do it.
on page 50, im refering to when he told me to shut up in the mess hall, he was probibly trying to keep me out of trouble, but to a 19 yo kid, i took it personel, when i did the book i was pissed of at alot of stuff, see this and the world diffrent now.
Q5, yea, i wish it was not part of the fabric but it is and again my hypnosis sorted out what that was, at least for my owne sake.
Q6, well i am on news footage and its been in my famil;y for years, also pictures, i greeted them when they walked past me, i was not the official greeter of the hostages man , is that what you got from what i wrote ? As for people beleiving any thing i say, thats up to them, people dont beleive, Halt, john, jim, me or anyone else that talks about such things, others do, and some dont give a damn! its just how it is, i mean, we are talking about ufo incidents are we not? i will always be a hard road.
no matter how much evidence any one of us produces even supportive wittiness statements, a portion of the population will think its all bullshit, me , i dont gove a damn, i do hate when people rewrite my book, chat BS , use fake names,make up quotes in other books, on and on man, seen it all for years. i will round up some of your relivant questions on sunday. Sat , im going to be thinking about the Heros we lost on september 11th 2001................. cheers

[stephan]

re about the greeting footage. No, I was thinking about a footage on which many people would be visible, say, you among a dozen of other Airmen, the hostages and other people. Just a few pixels to identify you would be absolutely sufficient

as for what people believe or not believe, I think your are a honest person and that's what counts. Everyone makes mistakes and sometimes our memory plays tricks on us. I'm really glad you take the time to answer the questions. Again, please take as much time as you need.

as for the coordinates on the Capel Green picture - if you want to do it yourself - you can use the Windows utility ''Paint''. Follow these steps:

1. Save the picture above to your hard drive
2. Open it with Paint
3. Use the paint tool to mark the location of the landing site (you can choose the color from the palette)
4. Save the picture
5. Use http://imageshack.us to upload the picture
6. Copy the ''Direct Link'' imageshack will show you
7. Paste this link into your post - finished

the other way - using the ruler to measure the horizontal and vertical distance from one of the corners of the pic plus measering the width of it on your screen - is also possible and there's no need to do the computer stuff, just let me know the three values you obtain.

And Jim could be the only human being that (consciously) touched an alien space-craft - ever! Just think about THAT !! (I know you never said alien, it's just me who does so and a couple of other folks )


I've heard you've lost some good friends in the WTC attacks. God that was a horrible day for America and the whole world. My thoughts are also with the victims today and may the survivors find their peace of mind!

[larry warren]

Yo steve , a few more for yuz !
Q8 Ans, the bleeding and the rest was due to expousure, that came from 2 doctors MDs ya know ! lots of collage and stuff to reach the conclusion i suspect,.
Q9 Ans, Busty is a great guy, i was with him, he NEVER told me to tell his experiance, im not a dummy,i herd what sounded like a helo engine , never saw one fiying! woodbridge was behind us and if an engin was fired up you would hear it? i dont know what to say about the repair bit, it does not make alot of sense to me. further what happened to him and john was after i went back to base and he never discused that with me, as far as i can recall, would he mak things up? if so there was a reason.lets call them threats perhaps.
Lee speigal more than once told that to us, and then denide it in Georginas book ? why , you would have to ask him.
Yea, the Base thought i was John back in 83! Warzinski went on to be the pentagon spoksman for the 9 11 attacks.
My mom was talking to Budd Hopkins, what she refers too she thought it might be her Dad that had just died, not a GREY alien. my family are openminded, but not Beleivers !
Gordon levitt is dead.
Q 10, The officer is Capt Mike veranno, as he was interviewed on CNN.
back with more later cheers

[stephan]

re Q8: I see. so there were no further developments/ symptoms later on I suppose.

re Q9: ah, ok. I hope Adrian will come forward with further statements in the future, I also think he's a very important witness.

as for what your mother thought that's quite similar to what my mother once suggested to me what it might have been that I had seen. She said (not believing in aliens or ghosts at all) that I might have hallucinated seeing a dead person (also one of my family). Personally I never connected that shadow to aliens until I first saw that Grey cranium on TV in 1994 (or 1993).

as for Spiegel's claims in regard to Halt I guess latter will know for sure what he said or not. Maybe he's going to join the forum one day and answer these kinds of questions

re Q10: Mike Verrano, I should have known as he is mentioned on page xxv in your book:

“I did drive General Gordon Williams to an F-16
on the Bentwaters tarmac the AM of December 30th. He had two
canisters of 35mm footage with him. ...He told me directly that it was actual
footage of the UFOs on the ground.” - Mike Verrano, RAF Bentwaters
Capt. and Day Shift Commander, December 1980

source

so, it probably wasn't CNN who ''found'' that officer, it was that M. Verrano wrote to you and Peter and DeCaro got the info from you. Or maybe Verrano informed both you and CNN. Tricky

[larry warren]

STeve, it was chuck decaro and CNN that found VERANO back in 84 when cnn shot the record breaking programs, in 1999 he wrote to us via our publisher as did others< ie , the picture guy, and they forwarded the info to us. also i know that England wont talk to anyone !More on wed< dude, cheers

[stephan]

thx for clearing that up once again Larry! DeCaro has an interesting background and did some very revealing documentaries as I've seen in the other thread. I'll check if the Bentwaters interview has been posted here or on YT, would be a shame if not

Charles John “Chuck” de Caro (born 1950 in Providence, Rhode Island) is an American strategist and futurist who originated the term SOFTWAR which is defined as: “The hostile use of global television to shape another society’s will by changing its view of reality.”

source

yep another society's view or one's own. I also think that TV is used for mass manipulation and how often do they distort the facts as you have experienced it yourself for numerous times. Sometimes it's just that they didn't investigate properly but often the distortion is done intentionally. A good TV show / documentary is characterized by the positive feedback of its protagonists. For example I had to laugh when you described the behavior and appearance of the guy who interviewed you in your last TV appearance in Japan. He certainly did not want to get to the bottom of the truth, did he Only yesterday there was a ''documentary'' about Roswell on German TV (ZDF). One of the guys said that aliens would be stupid as they only come at night. If he was an alien he would come at daytime so he could see something. As an astronaut he should know better, there's no need to have daylight to see something. What about sensors and radar ? Also, what about the possibility of cloaking technology ? It's no science fiction, it's being researched and there has already been some success.

[larry warren]

Steve, as for what i saw on allan street, that was seen by many people and documented in the Book called Contact of the 5th kind, by philip Imbrogno and Marianne Horrigan, Llrwrllyn publications, C 1997. ISBN 1-56718-361-1.
the book recounts the hudson valley sightings of massive triangular and boomerang shaped craft as wittinessed by over 100,000
people in the tristate area between 1983 to 1989. you would enjoy this book im sure, as it deals with the big picture in a sober
way !

[stephan]

intriguing. I have not dealt with these sightings so far ... how could I overlook such a massive UFO wave ?! It's similar to the one which occurred over Belgium!

okay, for the beginning of studies (both for me and for other newbies to that case) here are some links I deem worth looking at and then dig deeper into the subject:



http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc670.htm

will jot down that book you mention in case I have more time to deal extensively with the subject (RFI is prior ranking )

[larry warren]

some more answers for you stevo !
Q 12, Ans, the photo is weird, and no , i wont post it, more than me put williams out there, if i was wrong about alot of what i say i would have been sued long ago, ray boche did some very important early research on this case, and also delt with senator robert byrd of va.
Q on pr and lw tape recording of sightings , at the south end of bentwaters, between Iyke and the base, not in rendlesham forrest ! the tape reflects what we saw, if the words are like halts tape its just the way it is because thats how we saw the stuff ! way more than lights in the sky, may i add, peter ownes the tapes.

Q 16 ans, does JB remember meeting me? ask him ! we met more than that time in LA, by the way.
P294 ref, that statement by jamason is correct.
Q18ans Halt , whos a player whos not ect, look all i will say in regard to col Halt is that his comments in relation to me are offensive and for have been for nearly 30 years ! funny i just learned that he said JB wasnt involved either at one point!
let me just say HE AINT MY COLONEL !but via gritted teeth i support him and others.

[stephan]

cool, more info coming in thx Larry

okay, that's a pity with the photo. I understand if it's a honeymoon photo it would be too private to post. Perhaps the specific picture detail in question ? Anyway, you decide but it could be some very important piece of evidence for aliens (hey, just noticed you said alien !! )

yep, there were several people (not just you) who said that Williams was out there and Steve LaPlume (I sent you a link) said that he saw him with his family coming to the base on another night of sightings (3 weeks after yours) and that the general's wife said ''I hope to see one'' having a 35mm camera with her.

about the tape I guess it would be better to ask Peter also. Perhaps he will join the discussion later at some point or we just leave it at that. I think the similarities are probably not so important. May be you had heard the Halt tape too often so that you - subconsciously - repeated some of it during your experience with Peter.

I see you left out Q15, probably it was (and still is) a classified aircraft

re Q16, I'll probably ask him or he'll read this and join in.

re ref. p294: many people say that and I think so, too

re Q18: you know, I sometimes thought that Halt may want to prescind from certain statements you made. Perhaps the underground base, certain details of your UFO encounter ... maybe some of that was classified and he still thinks it should remain so. But that's just speculation on my part.