Bustinza phone interview,20 april 1984

[larry warren]

Thanks Win,
nice one!, please pass on L@R to that ol school devil Russ!
if memorie serves russ is big enough too not only throw the audiance out, but
also the building aswell, good fun!
Ive yet to attack an audiance , however the year is young.
im greatful for your thoughts on this most toxic matter!
be in touch
cheers
larry

[John Burroughs]

Larry
Have you read her second part yet? If so I have some important questions to ask!

[larry warren]

hi john,
i have not seen it yet.
im trying to get past part one, ive had to rewrite it as i sent it to myself? and then lost it.
if linda has sent it ; i still dont have it.
let me finnish P1 tonight, and get familiar with P2, i have the tape but it is really degraded.
i really wish this forum was able to let people talk with there mouths, caus this medium is killing me.
cheers
larry

[Andrew Pike]

Larry,

As I said to you a couple of summers ago in Glastonbury I have always regarded you as a credible witness, (same wth John), the things reported by you are a gold mine to a scientist like myself looking for answer. Unless both of you had a degree in physics at the time, I can't see how you could have got the details so right for the science.

Also, like yourself, I have been driven mad by so many players in this subject, that is why posts by me are few and far between on this forum. The times I have tried to point out that there is no problem in this, or that, or this tells us that, or that tells us this, and been flatly ignored for decades drives me clean round the bend!

How many people here have actually read the scientific report I published on Rendlesham 5 years ago, I'll tell you, probably just about none. Sacha, I know you have, don't forget what I wrote on the title page because I am almost at the point of failing to take that advice myself!!!

So before I start, and this thread gets locked I'll just say, Larry, best wishes and I understand!

Andrew

[Observer]

Hi Andrew
Yes, i'm one who has never read your report on the RFI, but it was not for the want of trying.

Perhaps you could remedy the lack of people reading your report by making it available for all to read. I thinks that's a fair request as i'm sure others would be interested.

Obs

[John Burroughs]

Here my take on all of this. Andrew and Winkeech you both have talked about ideas on what you think have happened. Was it us or was it somthing else? If it is us then how did we do it? What Company's were involved and who was doing the work! Where were they doing it from? Is there somthing natural in the area that helps them be able to do this or helps whatever was there? Another question why now is it being brought up about who from the Civ side that lived in the area my have or may have not seen something!

[Andrew Pike]

Grrrrrrrr!

You know, this is one of the points that drives me insane!

The report was officially published, had an ISBN (International Stanard Book Number) like any other publication, it was possible to walk into any bookshop and they would order it, Amazon had it, we diverted funds from an astronomy project to discount the price so we were almost giving it away! (not an easy task to use astronomy money to fund UFOs, it took a lot of string pulling on my behalf to get that).

Plus it was in print for over a year before we ran out of copies to sell/give away. Honestly! I could scream!!

[John Burroughs]

Grrrr Well Andrew this is the first I have heard of it and if its not to much trouble I would like to take a look at it......

[puddlepirate]

Andrew.. I'd be interested in reading it. What was the title/ISBN no? Amazon might still have it, even a used copy.

[larry warren]

Hi andrew, all.
to me , andrew pike is the sort of REAL sciantist this subject needs, he comes from the same
cloth as ridpath, and yet sees posibilitys in the imposible, sagan was a smart guy indeed,
but was closed minded as a nun, i met him.
andrew thanks for the kind words, cheers.
a degree in physics? i got chucked out of 9th grade math when i was in the 11th grade!
best
larry

[Andrew Pike]

Thanks Larry,

I have tried and failed with the sceince of Rendlesham and ufology generally, not going to waste any further time on it.

Reponse to other posts.

The Rendlesham File ISBN 9780955191312 isn't being reprinted for the 30th, the updated second edition isn't either. There are copies of the original out there, paper only. Not going into PDF or any electronic form due to copyright law, was not available in USA or Canada due to copyright laws being too weak there so John wouldn't have encountered it over there. I think that covers all points raised.

I'm off to do an astronomy project so won't be around here for some time, but best luck with the 30th reunion, I have been asked to talk at various gatherings, radio and one TV show, but won't be doing them.

The science is there, take it or leave it, bothers me not a jot!

Best wishes

Andrew Pike, FRAS

[Sacha Christie]

This is the exact reason why I think ufology in general needs kicking in the nuts.. At first anyone researching was just a nutter.. now they have power, public standing and can sway public opinion with anything they decide to say whether it be fact or thought or entirely fiction. They have no one to hold them accountable for what they write and say and now all we have is a bunch of self effacing egomaniacs hellbent on being fabulously fabulous at ANYBODIES expense.. never their own.

Your book is outstanding Andrew and I can only imagine the hard work, headaches and endless hours of cross referencing and collation. It's also easy to understand.. which is something most academics don't evben care about.. the most important thing to them is to sound as clever as possible using all the jargon... It isn't 'simple' but it isn't overcomplicated. It's alos not full of 'your opinion' it is full of facts and you comment on how it appears to be to you... It's your book, your opinions should be in it!! lol...

I am so very disappointed in the whole arena. That doesn't mean I'm walking away.. sorry.. but you'll never be rid of me. It just means I'm going my own way, the path of integrity. i would rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon and tear my tongue out by the roots than be considered 'one of them'.

Andrew.. you're only human, let rip man! lol.. you've been a good friend and adviser to me, there have been many others I have asked for either help or advice and they ignore you.. they're no more busy than the rest of us. Now though... it's a different story altogether... Now I've found two of the other witnesses with me.. ha! We should get a book written about this... why don't you do it through me... etc... I don't bloody think so! You didn't give a toss when it was just liddle old unknown me... Shallow as rain drops.

Someone called me an agenda bender the other day hahah! I love that.... i just think it's about time they had a look in the mirror and saw themselves as a lot of us do.

Andrew don't let the duffers get you down

I don't believe it is in PDF format, It is on amazon though.

[SteveR]

Mr Pike, Perhaps you can enlighten ourselves about the content of your 'scientific report' instead of suggesting we go hunting for a long out of print book. What were your conclusions and whose testimony was your report based upon?

[Sacha Christie]

Wow.... Charmed I'm sure.

You could google 'Mr Pike' and find out who he actually is... maybe then you wouldn't have that tone? Hmm... on the other hand you probably would judging by your other TWO posts.

Andrew is the only still living, scientist who investigated the incident.... Based on all of the original testimonies, radar reports.. erm.. All of the available scientific data..... everything. Also I'd just like to point out having read the book and having been in contact with Andrew for the past five years that he is not a book whore, he has in fact been severely overlooked in my opinion and this book should have had more attention than it has. This is the first post of it's kind where his book has been given even the slightest bit of attention by anyone on this forum even though it has been mentioned by myself on occasion and obviously Andrew has contributed to the conversations with his findings.

I'd also like to say that I recently suggested that some of the senior forum members on this site should afford a little more warmth to new members... On this occasion I withdraw my remarks... reciprocate in kind is my new stance.

[John Burroughs]

I think allot of us who only been on the forum for a short while would be interested in what he had to say. And to be honest Sacha Steve R has brought some interesting facts to light!!

[Sacha Christie]

Absolutely no argument from me on that point John... I'm just at a loss as to understand why people feel it necessary to be blatantly rude... even adversarial at times. This is a discussion board... call me old fashioned if you like but what happened to the art of CONVERSATION? It's so disappointing to see so many knowledgeable and articulate individuals being totally offensive to each other and a lot of the time totally disrespectful.

I've asked some pertinent questions and made some very cogent and reasonable points in previous posts that have never been answered because I didn't take the argumentative tone two others were using and so it was as if the was a fight going on over my head no matter how many valid points were raised... It's a game of one upmanship and point scoring that it's utterly pointless and also stupefyingly boring at best.

You've got so much insight and technical knowledge and general experience between you all, it's a waste. You might as well have stayed at home, smoked dope and played the sitar for all the good it's done when it comes to exchanging ideas... it's not even that anyway. If you went into a book shop and asked for the self help section and were told "It would be defeating the object if I told you, find it yourself ***expletive***" etc etc... It's just plain rude. But .like i've said before... a house divided cannot stand... you're doing what 'they' want by bitching... nothing will ever get sorted will it?

So yeah great points raised... shame about the delivery. Again. pffft... It's like going into battle every time you log in. Also yes, I'd like to read what he has to say but would rather not have to have a mountain of antacids to neutralize the acid reflux.

[FMG]

Far too many people have come to expect everything to be handed out for free on the internet these days regardless of cost and time to others. If they do not get it right now they get nasty. I think if SteveR is expecting that his attitude needs to change. Is not that the very same reason why one of the airman stopped sending out free copies of the Halt tape to ufologists?

[Sacha Christie]

Exactly..... This book has been available for over a decade too.... so.... ya know.... research much? Andrew has also been a member of this forum for along time too..not like it hasn't been mentioned before.

Nice to see another voice of reason!!! How do you do FMG?

[FMG]

Had a chance to have a good look around now. Seems because of ignored post there is also a lot of going round in circles when problems have clearly been resolved!

[FMG]

I should have also said my above comment also goes for reading the major works, in some cases here, seeing as we are on that topic. Facts, research and details in Georgina Bruni, Larry Warren and Andrew Pike's books could have saved a lot of argument if remembered and used. Also hello to Sacha. I should have said hello in my last post but had to push off before I finished!