Photos Of the Landing Site

[Observer]

Hi Win

Just a thought re your research into the 1974 Berwyn mountain incident.

Up on the North Wales coast at Llanbedr was/is the Llanbedr air base that experimented with pilotless aircraft and UAV target drones. They converted quite a few aircraft to pilotless flight and launched many drones as Aeriel targets. They also experimented with ECM [Electronic Counter Measures] on some of these drones and aircraft to throw off interception radar, There is some info from years ago that one or two lost control and had to be destroyed in the air before they landed on some village or whatever.
I doubt the RAE are going to admit to any pilotless planes/drones going out of control.

Harriers were not usually used in an air defence role but some Hawks at RAF Valley were multi role.
Also Hunter F-Mk 6 based at RAF Brawdy could have been used as this was where they did 'live' fighter training.

Obs

[winkeech]

Thanks for the info Obs,
... I had no idea about the testing at Llanbedr ... but there again I didn't know about sosus at Brawdy until after my posting there, which proves a) I can at times be less than observant and b) just because you were stationed somewhere doesn't neccesarily mean you know everything that is going on - especially if you have no need to know!
UAV's coming down would certainly explain some of the incidents at that time ... I doubt it could explain the 23/1/74 incident arouind Llandrillo - at least two came down that night ... one that accompanied the tremor at 8:38pm and another that came out of Lake Bala over an hour later and seemed to attempt a rescue, but was disabled for a time near Cader Bronwen, before taking off again. The use of Harriers was as you say, highly unusual - especially when there were hunters just down the road at Valley ... no Strikemasters there to my knowledge in 74. As for early Harriers being unaffected - I would say so - but I won't say why I am sure they would be OK, as I'm properly procluded from comment ... anything I know outside of my time as a pilot, or outside the non-civilian work at RR or that wasn't properly classified I will happily comment upon though.
The other curious similarity with Rendlesham, was that a Russian satellite also re-entered around the same time that night. From some of the eyewitness reports, you do have to wonder if a similar recovery (or distraction) was underway that night?

Thx again Obs, hope you are having a good chrimbo, best wishes, Win.

[Observer]

Hi Win

It was just a thought and possibly worth bearing in mind that there were pilotless aircraft and UAV target drones being operated from Llanbedr.

As for the similarity to Rendlesham, i guess there may be, but if a Russian SAT was brought down at Rendlesham, it smells of being too convenient to be right in the USAF's own back yard.

Its also interesting to note that the local Police were called out twice to this incident [and no body has come forward to say it was me who called them out] and on the first occasion they took notes, but on the second occasion they declined to attend saying it was a waste of time.
Its also interesting to note that out of the scores of people that were eventually involved with the RFI over the 3 nights and subsequent days/weeks, only about 5 or 6 are actually talking publicly [on TV] about it.
Dollars spring to mind.

Harriers were fitted with a very sophisticated ECM system which makes it no surprise that they were immune to interference. Harriers always win a battle, ask the pilots, i did. Like wise, i know how it works but the OSA keeps my mouth zipped.

I have to be honest and say that i don't not know too much about the Berwyn incident so i have little sensible comment to make. I shall have to read up on it a bit more. What i don't want to do is be an armchair expert, which i am not.
The trouble is with the RFI is every where you look, people will dream up a conspiracy theory to cover their own arguments, yet none so far can be substantiated. My personal view is that nothing much happened at all and we are just the victims of a story that became a mountain out of a Mole hill over time. The old snow ball effect. The are countless examples of this right through human history.
Perhaps you could high light your own thoughts or theory on this Welsh incident, I've seen the documentaries, but there were equally opposite explanations, so it left me confused.

Obs

[Wolf]

Its also interesting to note that the local Police were called out twice to this incident [and no body has come forward to say it was me who called them out].

Read the evidence and you'll get a name.

Wolf

[Observer]

Thanks Wolf

Its my laziness not looking up who called the Police.

It would have saved a lot of time if you simply stated who it was in your post.

Obs

[Wolf]

Dear Redeye Nights....

Thats the one ST. It also mentions the fact in the who's who part of this site.

It would have saved a lot of time if you simply stated who it was in your post.

Heres the link to save you some time - http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/th ... ved-az.php

V/R

Wolf

[Observer]

Thanks ST & Wolf

Happy New Year.

Obs

[winkeech]

Hiya,
... I thought that this might be of interest - or not, but I'd post it for anyone who was. This is a photo I have snapped of an original painting I bought from Larry at the LAPIS conference in 2005 - may be of use, maybe not.
I rather like it - and it has pride of place in my study, ... Not a photo as such I know,best wishes, Win.