Detailed map of Rendlesham forest - points of interest shown

[schooner]

Administrator,

Great map.

Do you know whether the American Airforce or Ministry of Defence had ownership of any of the Cottages at Capel Green? I thought I'd heard that one of the cottages was let to American Airforce personnel.

[schooner]

Hi Admin

I've retraced where I thought that I had seen a mention of the houses at Capel Green. It refers to a statement made by Dot Street indicating that a USAF Officer rented one of the cottages.

Do you know of anyone who chased this up and identified the officer. He was stationed at Bentwaters?

Also, Halt stated that one of the houses was glowing red when he passed on the night of the incident. Has this been looked into?

Schooner

[Alienationsam]

Very interesting map i see much better were the incidents took place now and have a much better understanding of the location of the incidents now.
Thank you.
Sam,

[Mitch]

Hi Admin

I've retraced where I thought that I had seen a mention of the houses at Capel Green. It refers to a statement made by Dot Street indicating that a USAF Officer rented one of the cottages.

Do you know of anyone who chased this up and identified the officer. He was stationed at Bentwaters?

Also, Halt stated that one of the houses was glowing red when he passed on the night of the incident. Has this been looked into?

Schooner

Perhaps what Ms Street is thinking is a house in Tangham next to the campsite. The FC rented that house to Americans only.

[Andy]

From my knowlege there is only TWO houses on Capel Green not three. Also the map i would argue is inaccurate. No offence Admin

[Andy]

Hi Admin. Thankyou for your response. I should have made myself clearer and realise my mistake. When i said Capel Green i was referring to viewing it from the forest, looking out over the farmer's field. From this position i have only ever seen two houses that directly looks out onto the field. I have never seen a third house from this position.

Ref: 25/26th site. Initially Penniston reported seeing the lights only a few hundred yards into the trees. However, it is difficult to say exactly where they did stop their vehicle before going on foot at an angle into the forest to the initial landing site. However, the rough map he gives would seem to suggest they perhaps managed to get some distance along route 12 (now eight) before doing so? Mr Thurkettle viewed the alleged site some six weeks after. According to Bruni the landing site he showed her was on the other side of route 10 (presently un-numbered) just within the tree line. However, interestingly, Brenda Butler seems to think that Bruni's site is along the same path as area 3 on the UFO trail (Halt's site)? The last path on the left of route 12, in line with the lighthouse, about fifty yard within the tree line, next to the area she calls 'Blair witch' where allegedly people have experienced 'missing time.' Personally until i experience it myself i will keep an open mind So now Bruni would seem to have two landing sites? However, i will believe the directions she states in her book and the one Vince Thurkettle, she also states, had shown her (and nowhere near what Brenda claims is Bruni's site). However, Halt's site, which i assume is also the alleged initial landing site he was investigating before witnessing events in the field is area 3 on the UFO trail. This is the site himself, and his son had shown Brenda Butler and Dot street, and i personally believe, ties in with witness statements and maps. I may be wrong.

27/28th Halt's site centre of the farmer's field? Please see above. He witnessed events in the field whilst investigating the alleged initial landing site in the forest, not the field.

28/29th Larry Warrens site. According to Brenda Butler, Larry Warren's site in the early part of (SKY CRASH) investigations was to the left of the field, but over time it changed to the right side of the field ????

[Andy]

However, Admin. Larry Warren's account in Left at East gate is also interesting. He described going down the logging track for approximately one-half mile to a staging post. This is along route eight where the path goes in different directions, and not far from the farmer's field. From here they went down a footpath into the forest and after 100 yds turned right and continued deeper into the forest, this would be heading in the direction of the farmer's field. At this point he could see an area lit by flashlights and flares and red or orange plastic tape wrapped around some trees. This i believe would have been the area halt was investigating, the initial landing site, which would tie in with area 3 on the UFO trail.

[Observer]

Hi Andy,

Just a thought, the forest has changed quite a bit which includes some slightly different routes and logging paths since the great storm.
Be careful when doing your mapping. Admin can probably throw more light on this than me.

Regards

Observer

[Andy]

It amazes me how you can read a book, and a year or so on, pick it up again, read it, and with insights and experiences learnt over that year, your brain starts to challenge things. Still remain confused though, but this seemingly due to other people's information whom you initially lay trust in, whether it be book or spoken word. My first copy of You can't tell the people was the updated version. Unwittenly i gave it away not realising it had gone out of print, but fortunately found an originial hard back copy in a second hand book shop. However, from memory both are very much the same.

Bruni's initial tour of the landing sites:
'As we approached the INITIAL LANDING SITE Brenda (Butler) pointed to an area that had been cleared of trees soon after the incident.'

(For all intents and purposes, and Brenda actually showing me herself and telling me (and others) this is area 3 on the UFO trail? Is it not, Brenda?)

Bruni: 'As we moved through the forest she guided us to a clearing which was another SUSPECTED landing site.'

....Where?? Halt, the so called 'Steve Roberts' (with his seemingly unfathomable map) etc apparently showed her (Brenda) the initial landing site? (which according to Brenda was area 3) so where did this one materialize from? Is this the one Brenda pointed out to us and said was 'Bruni's landing site' when we did a tour of the forest last november? (futher along the path from area 3 and in line with the light house?) Can you not see my confusion? In Bruni's earlier edition of the book she gives a 'rough map' which shows the the INITIAL LANDING SITE as being just within the tree line on route 10? but also 'Landing site pointed out by Brenda Butler and confirmed by Adrian Bustinza'...??? Is this not, area 3, Brenda? When i pointed this out to Brenda (on the tour last november) she dismissed it, stating 'nothing happened the other side of route 10' and claiming Bruni's site to be that described above?? Forgive me for being extremely confused by now, as i'm sure you are.

In the updated version of You can't tell the people, Bruni gives detail of her trip to the forest with Mr Thurkettle (2001? Correct me if i'm wrong) and seemingly after the original book hit the shelves?) who apparently showed her (ie Thurkettle) the alleged initial landing site. They claimed to have gone down route 12, second path on the left and they parked the vehicle a few hundred yards down (fair enough), then went on foot to the initial landing site? So where was this site?.... At the end of the second path on the left, just within the tree line opposite route 10 and in accordance with the rough map? (however would seemingly be a bit spooky considering this would appear to be the site Thurkettle showed Bruni after her first cover book hit the shelves).... Or where Brenda Butler claims? If it's the latter, why park the vehicle down the second path on the left? then take a hike to the right, take the first path to the right (bordering the farmer's field) then walk down to the area which Butler claims is Bruni's site????? I would have driven straight to the end of route 12 and the area concerned would have been a few feet away to my left?

*Thank God for those in the know, where would we be without them?*

[Andy]

I noticed the Poll on the best book to vote for, on the Rendlesham incident, as i logged in. There seems to be a catergory missing from this poll? ie 'None of them' Most seem to contradict each other? Just give me accurate facts. Surely that's not too much to ask for?

[Observer]

Hi Andy

I see your point re the missing catigory. Looking at this from a sideways point of view for a moment. I suggest that a compilation of some of the relevant posts on this forum would be the best book as i think collectively we have delved and researched much deeper than any of the established authors.
Yes, they are good reads and yes they conflict on occasions but you have to realise that you publish a book to make money and some times facts are of secondary importance.

Observer

[Andy]

Well said, Observer, and couldn't agree more.

[Andy]

Must admit, i'd never heard of UFO crash landing, until i saw the poll, but have since obtained a copy and part way through. Won't give my opinion or vote just yet until i've read it fully, but so far seems to be intelligently written, and likely to get my vote. It's not to say i don't enjoy a bit of light reading by enthusiasts and Miss Marple types, but each to their own, this seems to be more to my liking.