my theory

General discussion about the Rendlesham forest incident

Re: my theory

Postby Sacha Christie » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:51 pm

Well Winkeech... I can keep up with you there lol.. Geeks R us!

I asked Andrew Basiago today whether he was familiar with the Rendlesham forest incident with a view to checking some scientific data with him to make sure i'm not getting any facts wrong. God help me if I do, I'll be defending myself forever more. He replied with his phone number so if there are any questions you would like to ask him, I'd be more than happy to pass them on.

http://www.projectpegasus.net/

http://zombo.wordpress.com/category/rad ... -podcasts/

Check out the recent revelations of whistle blower Dr Lewis Anderson... All pretty mind blowing stuff.

John, I will send you some documentation on how electromagnetic radiation can affect biological tissue. I looked into it because I wondered about how I might have been affected by standing directly underneath a craft that must have been using anti gravity.. the way the lights rippled, the silence and the brightness of the lights... I was more concerned with brain damage (don't laugh!) but have since discovered it can cause any number of health issues. Mostly though the info I find pertains to phone masts.. Not a lot out there on the electromagnetic effects of time traveling machines i'm afraid!!! Something that we should discuss with Andrew I think!!

Winkeech, your remarks about the UV light and retinal damage struck a chord with me. I had an encounter myself 13 years ago.. We were all stood directly underneath the craft which lit up a small area where we were standing. My eyesight has deteriorated rapidly since then. I'm due for an eye test, are their markers which indicate damage caused by intense UV light?

The coast to coast show was aired last night I believe.. I haven't listened to it yet... Also since then I've suffered from hypnogogia which at times is severe. It mimics temporal lobe epilepsy which I've been tested for with negative results. The after effects of it indicated severe temporal lobe activity hence the testing. I went to A & E after a particularly bad episode.

Interesting stuff....

Let me know if there are any questions you have for Andrew.

Thanks for this input win :)
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Re: my theory

Postby Daniel » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:14 pm

Maybe not related but it was weird for me.

When I was little, I was sick one morning, so we went to the local USAF base and had a check up. The first thing the doctor said after taking my temperature was "you should be dying in bed" as he told me the temperature was 103f. It was weird because I felt pretty fine. He left the room and came back to ask me if I had any X-rays recently. We said no, so he left the room and came back to ask me if I had seeing any strange colors, "like orange". Today, that has been the only time I've had been asked weird questions by a Doctor.

Was the Doctor hinting possible radiation poisoning? I don't know.

The crafts I had encounters with had the feel of being surrounded by an electro-static field.
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Re: my theory

Postby winkeech » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:32 pm

Hi John/Sasha,

You asked, so here it is! Ok, this is a slight cheat, as I don't intend to type all night. What I will do is cut and paste a summary Linda Moulton Howe asked me to provide of the technical aspects of Andrew Basiago's testimony ... I present it here, warts and all - and would ask that it doesn't leave the confines of the forum, as it is intended for reference only. I hope that this is of some help, best wishes, Win.

summary:
"As, I believe Disraeli once said – ‘Scientist explore what is … Engineers create what never was before’. Anderson is a scientist … I am a technologist and engineer, Basiago appears to be an experiencer, but one with a good technical knowledge – or at least a good observer of technology.

So? What do I think of Mr Basiago? … well in answer to your question – I don’t think there is a simple answer, but what he states wrt quantum access, seems to be valid, from a technical point of view if nothing else.

As you know, my standpoint – even with my own research – is that the dataset and its validity should be the key thing. The personality presenting/obtaining it should have little or no bearing on its merit. The dataset should be open to any scrutiny, should be verifiable and obtained as accurately as practically possible. My view is that in the same way that maths is a universal language, stripped of ambiguity - truth and accuracy are universal paths to understanding, stripped of personal colouring and human failings.
… I also am pretty bad at judging people, as I fail to understand many of the petty things that drive quite a lot of them!

Having said that – I find that the explanation and story he presents has a resonance to it. I have listened to and read several accounts of the Pegasus story by him and they all seem highly consistent. Indeed when attempted to be drawn beyond his stated extent of understanding and experience, he has stated that he simply doesn’t know and has refused the temptation to self aggrandise at the cost of inaccuracy. I consider these good indicators that he is telling the truth as he believes it to be – and that he considers the presentation of this material of greater importance than himself.

On the down side – he is a lawyer. A profession I have a low regard for, due to the dubious morality of the majority of people drawn to it. I don’t think this is the case in this instance – it is simply a personal perception. As I once told the joke to a very prominent US lawyer friend: ‘ I hear scientists have stopped using rats in vivisection experiments and now use lawyers instead? Oh Yes? Yes, they found that they had become too attached to the rats … and that lawyers would do things rats wouldn’t!’ … he laughed and said that he couldn’t disagree.

On the upside, his website is incomplete and his book still on the back burner – which, knowing how much US lawyers can earn, is how I might expect it to be. The only thing that remains to be seen, is what level of professional conflict of interests become apparent due to corporate accounts he may end up working with? That could be an acid test.

Then there is the question of the level of external interference in his memories. He has stated three worrying observations that may have to be factored in to this. Firstly, he had encounters with grey et’s as a child. As they are known to have the technology to implant and remove memories, there is a danger that some of his recounted memories are red herrings or smoke screens. Secondly, he claims to have had his memories buried/wiped by human agencies at the end of his project. This raises the question of how accurate was his method of memory retrieval? Is it reliable.
Lastly, he indicated that he later went on to operate the Montauk chair. Ignoring for the moment, the validity or otherwise of that operation, from what I can distil from the best information about it – it strongly leant towards Monarch style trauma/orgasmic mind control/mind status … as such, this is another level where his memory could have been manipulated and an alter personality installed – if so, then he could have been programmed to ‘act’ this disclosure perfectly. Similarly, at his present age, this would be a prime time for any ‘alter’ programming to fail and personalities recombine.

So, no definitive answers there – mostly questions and points to watch closely within him. However, Disinfo or otherwise – an awful lot seems to ring true with this, so for me I am intrigued … but I am watching closely to see whether this is a true disclosure, a stealth disclosure to soften later disclosure impacts or a Trojan horse designed to flush out other potential whistleblowers?

Ok, strap in – here’s a cursory study of the claimed tech and its implications:

The references to Tesla’s works are well known – as are the loss of his papers from his hotel room after his death. The radiant (zero point) energy work he perfected is legendary. Less well known, but equally important was his work on an effect he referred to as ‘teleforce’ This combined with his understanding of planetary energy grid resonance seems to be exactly the device that Andrew describes, with the two apostrophe shaped resonators. Much, much less well known is that this is similar to – and based upon – work carried out earlier by one Nathanial Stubblefield. He achieved similar zero point resonance effects between mirrors made of copper and iron. Tesla is known to have visited Stubblefield to observe and study that effect – and is probably the true origin of it. Tesla then took that from an intuitive discovery to a highly defined principle.
(The whole story of Stubblefield is a sad one – but very interesting).

What is telling, is the description by Andrew of a ‘raster scan’ type of effect when approaching the active area. This implies electronic timing control that is contemporous with the start of the alleged project.

In effect, this is a brute force (teleforce) method of levering open a small wormhole at a quantum level by using phase conjugated photons/quanta to produce an artificial/active Casimir effect. Essentially it is creating a ‘dead space’ between matter large enough for you to slip between. The energy applied is amplified by the quantum vaccum (Tesla’s radiant amplifier - from what he considered an ‘ether flux’) The big question is how to direct it/target it. This is where consciousness/people come into the equation. You have created a quantum ‘tunnel’ through time-space reality with this … but to where requires DNA/consciousness, otherwise it will simply lock onto the nearest energetic node point on the planet … i.e. natural portal areas.

The ‘anvil’ shaped device would seem to be a tensor field device from another line of development. Infect, I would suggest that it is a development of the WW2 nazi ‘Bell’ device, that Kamler most likely traded for his clemency with the US as the reich fell.
The bell was a rudimentary and aggressive device that produced a local time-space stress by energising and rotating a doped mercury compound until a high speed rotating plasma developed internally, phasing inter-dimensional energy flows to cause the temporal distortions. This was a seriously toxic device – hence the rubber lined ceramic surroundings, which were washed with saline solution after every run.

This is the same material described by Andrew as he approached the active area of the device … the ‘anti-stick rubber matting’ as he described it. The anvil shape would indicate internally a twin vortex generator and the glowing area beneath would be the wormhole … a sort of inter-dimensional Lagrange point where the two tensor fields overlap and create a cancellation/balance point. Judging by the rubber matting – this thing still sounds to create contamination – but seeing as how Andrew has survived passage through it – a vast improvement over the Bell. The glow described sounds to be highly excited ozone being generated around the portal – so this thing is using a lot of power to create this effect … not as elegant as Tesla’s method.

Then we come to the ‘Chronovisor’.Unlike the other two, which are comparatively well understood - I had never heard of this device and so I became focused on its feasibility.
Its origin seemed curious, even doubtful and its method of operation not readily apparent.
Because of this, I concluded that the validity of his story would stand or fall according to its real world feasibility … and if it is feasible, then why do the US have it – why was it handed over?

Ok, story goes – it started as a rudimentary system discovered whilst splitting harmonic components in Gregorian chants. This sounded very unlikely, so I thought I could soon rule it out as a fiction.

I then realised that my presumption as to how it might work was completely wrong. What this process is – is a non –local acoustic beam splitter. In essence it an acoustic analogue of an optical non-linear beam splitter, as used in quantum entanglement experiments. The difference here is that it is splitting ‘phonons’ not photons. Infact, this is just about all it was doing in its first form. The key to understanding it, was the presence of the experimenters. The effect is really originating within them.

What is really happening is that the device is cohering and beam splitting acoustic phonons (at first) and one split beam is striking the observer and his DNA. His DNA then becomes tuned (entrained) by the excitation frequency and harmonic content, which then sets up a direct non-local communication to the consciousness of the observer, using the natural superluminal non-local holographic communication methods of his DNA.i.e. the ones that are naturally continually reading and writing memory to his junk DNA.
In effect, it is an artificial memory stimulator – but because of the level at which it operates, his consciousness obligingly manifests the stored response out of the quantum holograph … that is our universe/reality. The non-local (split/entangled) field will then produce that recorded event as a spectre of the original.

This is the original 2D chronovisor … and explains why the first observed response was personal to one of the observers … it is a past echo accessed through his DNA.

This device as it stood could only be used for ‘visits’ to past events. This device was then presented to the US by Fermi. Now, Fermi is an interesting character – he invented the ‘non intrinsic Fermi levels’ in transistor/semiconductor operation. This is a quantum effect due to semiconductor doping and applied electric fields. This theory arrived fully formed, despite being counter-intuitive and was a step function in understanding that allowed transistors to be developed. In essence, it appeared out of nowhere, just when it was needed. Very fishy in my opinion.

So now, we have Italy’s finest post war quantum physicist involved – the same Italy that ten or so years previously had been German collaborators. I smell a rat here. I think that Fermi had a considerable head start with the Chronovisor – and that it was intended from the start to be the past time guidance system for the Bell time disruption system.
When Kamler implanted the US with the continuation of the Bell, the Chronovisor system was left high and dry in Italy. I think this transfer was sanctioned and engineered, to allow full continuation of the original nazi project.

In that context, it seems no surprise, knowing Hitler’s obsession with the Spear of Destiny that one of Andrew’s first trips was back to Christ’s crucifixion.

It seems the system became far more sophisticated by the 1960’s using non-linear photo optics as well as the sound component, to enable a visual rendering of past events too.

When Andrew first mentioned the ‘Bismuth Crystals’ in the ceiling of the device, I thought this a mistake or misdirection. BBO (Barium Borate Optical) crystals would have been my first choice (shows how little I know) as they are the non-linear photon splitting crystals of choice for all mainstream quantum entanglement experiments. A mistake, I thought – they sound similar?

No, I was wrong – he is correct and I don’t believe he could know that it is correct except by accurate recounting of the information presented to him.

Bismuth crystals are easy to grow – they are rather like lead crystals, but are often doped for optical properties (e.g. with boron or tellurium) … and some are the best known scintillation generators. Crucially important for our understanding, is that doped Bismuth crystals are used to produce coherent split phonons and often photons too.
In short they may simultaneously produce split/entangled streams of both light photons and sound phonons for a single pumped, but not necessarily coherent light/EM source.

This is truly elegant – and must be beyond coincidence. Here is a transducer/beam splitter that can produce the excitation streams for both the DNA/consciousness access/interaction, whilst providing a rendering beam for both sound and light in the local quantum hologram (universe).
So here we have a more sophisticated targeting device, that can access any past event recorded in the observer’s DNA – or the mitochondrial DNA passed down through his ancestral line. Grafting the Tesla device onto it provides a target to allow it to be actually accessed (on a very near by parallel, but almost exact point in time) … the Chronovisor providing the access point/key from DNA memory/resonance.

Then we have the trips forward. These can only be extrapolated potentials from the observer’s own DNA. These are not fixed events in any way, only potentials that have been excited and viewed by tuning the device (DNA harmonic overtones) forward.
This is why so many children were used (140). All points backwards have been experienced as common reality … effectively fixed – technically, collapsed wave function paths recorded into all our DNA. Forward is a different matter – it is fluid and existing as pure potential, theoretically with infinite variability. One person’s mix of experience, will and aspiration would produce a very different future potential to someone else’s.

Here’s what I believe they did. They took as many children as they could process and threw them as far forwards as they could. Note Andrew was limited to 2045, by which time he is in his eighties … the known maximum extent of his lifespan i.e. they can only access as far ahead as you DNA has the potential to be active for – it, after all is the real tuning and access device in this process.

They then brought back as many future event logs as they could – and analyzed which had the best outcomes for their purposes. They then ensured that the potential future timeline/s were adhered to by low level, day to day manipulation … a word here, nasty accident there etc. In that way, the future timeline data would remain valuable.
This would be the driver to exert media and social control over the population to ensure the steering and thereby value was maintained. The last thing they would want are free thinking, questioning people. A few free thoughts and the value would diminish, if those free thinkers had enough aggregate will to ensure an unpredicted outcome.

As I read it, the reason that Andrew is alive can only be because an outcome along his personal time line extrapolation is so desirable, that it over-rides any damage within the scope of his actions. I can see no other reason.

This would also strongly suggest that Dr Crane/Burisch is being deceptive and telling a carefully constructed half truth. The timeline numbers he mentions are of the same magnitude as the number of children used in this e.g. timeline 83 variant 2 etc. … certainly in the same range as timelines 1 to 140. This would also explain why his explanation of how Looking Glass works … doesn’t work. This suggest to me that he is connected to those who have studied the measured 140 potential timelines and that the timing and nature of his releases are designed to steer focus to the preferred outcomes.
In which case we are not as he suggests reaching an energetic point of timeline intersection – we are actually reaching a point of timeline dispersion from baseline prediction where very wide potential variance may be selected/experienced. So, in my opinion, Burisch is telling whoppers, whilst Basiago is internally self consistent.

Then as a final detail – the titanium cluster sputtered suits. The children were told not to look at the light from the crystals in those jumps. These were the furthest forward jumps.
So, it appears that the furthest jumps required the highest energy levels and highest frequencies of stimulation. This I predicted would generate a disproportionate amount of the light energy radiated in the UV end of the spectrum. The crystal helmets then become obviously polymer/glass UV filtering but not visible filtering helmets. Very much like the clear UV filtering Uvex safety glasses I was once required to wear in the Quatar dessert.
Obviously, you cannot see levels of UV that can blind you … hence the instruction not to look at the source directly.

So what are the optical characteristics of clustered titanium … yes, you guessed it – the best UV blocker you can get. A detail, I also feel he cannot know.

So yes, from a technical standpoint – I think his story has legs.

Implications:
There are two implications that may provide a test for the verity of the story … and explain a few things.

Firstly – if this wormhole technology were used to ‘grab’ people from past/future/remote locations then what would you experience if you were minding your own business when a wormhole ‘hit’ you? Well, time would be distorted – you would see lights from the energetics of the wormhole maintenance … and if unprotected you would be hit by the UV light bounced down the wormhole tube – like an optical fiber waveguide. You may suffer eye damage (e.g. Larry Warren et al at Rendlesham Forest) or suddenly acquire a suntan/sunburn e.g. Russ Kellet’s abduction by Shadow people.
You would also then have experience beyond linear time and possible interaction at a non-local location (space and time) with either humans with this technology or similar races. You could then be returned with missing or gained time – possibly in a different location. This sounds rather familiar.

Next – it seems that the ww2 nazis were the first to explore this and that it continued via Paperclip into the sixties, seventies and eighties. This may explain reports I have personally received of shadow/reptilian races abducting and transporting abductees …who then notice that they are infact dressed in nazi uniforms.

Then – there is the mainstream physics explanation of how the Casimir effect can anchor wormholes … and what do I film in the fields of Wiltshire? Columns of excited moisture emitting IR due to sonoluminescence … an effect created by focused ultrasound. Mmm? I wonder if that was simply a touch-down points for them … or if they were purposely tuned/anchored by equipment I could not see from my vantage point? A portable terminus anchor? Maybe I will know more this next season.

… and lastly. This may be pure speculation … but since the chemtrail spraying epidemic seems to involve spraying non-linear optical salts e.g. barium into the upper atmosphere where there is intense UV light and then bouncing phase array swept microwave signals off that layer … may not a similar holographic effect be one possible use of such a beam splitting technology … computer generated synthetic perception artifacts (holograms) Perhaps? It would be a great way of spoofing orbiting photo recon satellites?

Food for thought methinks, Win."
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Re: my theory

Postby winkeech » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:07 pm

Arc Eye.

Hiya Sasha ... the effect of UV lexposure upon the eye is known as Arc Eye or Photokeratitis ... whereas arc eye generally lasts a few days, if it is intense it can produce corneal ulceration and scarring of the retina. If you google or wiki photokeratitis, you should soon find a better explanation than the one from the top of my head.
Best wishes,
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Re: my theory

Postby Sacha Christie » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:45 am

WOW!!! I'm majorly impressed..! Fascinating....

There are a few things that sprung to mind but I need to deal with this thought pinging off the walls of my cranium...

what you said about splitting phonons not photons.. the harmonics being recognized by DNA etc... At the risk of being castigated for being part of the 'ufo circus' I really have to say something!!!

I have had several events occur over the past 13 years.. I had an encounter on a hillside in Glyn Cyriog North Wales with several other adults.. luckily I've just located them, unluckily they confirmed I didn't imagine it...! Since that event there have been others BUT... One of them was particularly disturbing... But all of them start with a sound.. wowowowowow noise that actually affects the pressure in my ears.. sometimes almost to bursting point it seems.. very painful... It is also commonly described by people like myself who have seen ufos and see them regularly... I'm not prone to fantasy believe it or not and so do not attribute everything to beings from another realm or time!!! However,, in one particular instance I was asleep when I felt my covers being pulled back, then something like thin rubber.. no smell or taste that I recall... was stretched over the upper half of my body immobilizing it and also cutting off my air supply... It was extremely frightening...I was kicking my legs frantically and I know that I really was.. I had a ruptured knee at the time and was waiting for reconstructive surgery.... the pain I felt was immense.. and continued for weeks afterwards.. Then I felt absolute Ice cold, all the way through my body.. not just external.. it went right through me.. I have memoried=s of a little girl.. also of a black dog chewing my left hand although the next day it was my right hand that was covered in bruises with puncture marks in the center.

I know my memories of the black dog.. which didn't exactly look like a dog.. and the girl, who'd facial features changed so she resembled a T rex in so much as the teeth and eyes reminded me of a T rex.. more so than a lizard...are unreliable.. However the fact that my mother had a dream the same night which paralleled my recollections... (I feel I should say she rang me to ask if I was ok because she'd had a terrible dream and went on to say... I then told her what had gone on)...

Basically.. the harmonic resonance.. the DNA connection, Family lineage etc... It all ties in really. Funnily enough, I left my dictaphone next to mey bed.. the only sound it picked up aside from me waking up was a wowowowowow noise... Played to everyone in the house the next day. Did the children ever speak of feeling cold? I just wonder what that was due to the fact that it was not an external sensation. The harmonic resonance... i wondered if that could be attributed to the transducer/beam splitter exciting the streams of consciousness and DNA? I've said all along when the ufo appeared we didn't realize the significance... a few other things happened which if it were a horror film everyone would have been running screaming and calling the police.. It was like we were dazed somehow... doped... Not controlled but we weren't acting with any modicum of sensitivity to danger!!

I also wondered how Hutchinson could be exposed to such high levels of electromagnetic fluctuations.. all reacting with each other, quite chaotically by accounts, and not become seriously ill.. there was some mention of him having some sort of control mentally over the objects flying around the lab... Do you think it can facilitate telekinesis? Or have any bearing on the symbiosis of ET/FT (future terrestrial .. guffaw...) and their craft?

And why the hell would they want my DNA??? I'm flakier than a vol au vent in a dessert wind... I wonder what might be stored in my genetic memory...? lol.. (my mother and grandmother have both seen ufos and also.. My grandmother and her mother etc.. they are from Wales... where the BIG one happened..) Also something else that occured to me the way you described how it accesses the DNA memory reminded me of how a computer retrieves information from the hard drive.. fragmenting it... When you defrag you see how it gathers it to one point instead of in layers.... Is this correct or am i on another planet?

I find it interesting that even if the phonon splitting/acoustic harmonic excitation of DNA and consiousness relate to my experiences when they happen.

Fascinating stuff!!! Thanks for that reply.. brilliant.. I won't use this anywhere.. I'll just assimilate it into all the other constantly developing gubbins in me noggin!

Sacha :)
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Re: my theory

Postby Sacha Christie » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:52 am

P.S Thanks for the info on eyes.. I'll ask my optician when i see her... see if the damage is akin to looking at a welding arc...

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Re: my theory

Postby Sacha Christie » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:18 am

Dan92.... Sorry lovey.. didn't mean to skip past you... !!

103 is pretty damned high temp!!! The doc may have been asking to see if there were external reasons for your illness... Some people do react to X rays. The orange thing.. When I've been ill and had a raging temp everything changes colour.. I'd have said more pink for me (might be a girl thing? haha!).. I had a migraine once and everything went purple!!! The sky was almost cerise... Probably more to do with that than anything odd...

I have a friend who's in the RAF... He refuses to have children due to the chemical agents introduced into his system from his tours of Afghanistan, Falklands, Iraq, N. Ireland.. he's done the lot pretty much. I suppose if you were seeing an AF doctor then there might be other things at the back of his mind he might check for when it comes to the children of servicemen/women (lol)!
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Re: my theory

Postby Sacha Christie » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:21 am

Dan92.... Sorry lovey.. didn't mean to skip past you... !!

103 is pretty damned high temp!!! The doc may have been asking to see if there were external reasons for your illness... Some people do react to X rays. The orange thing.. When I've been ill and had a raging temp everything changes colour.. I'd have said more pink for me (might be a girl thing? haha!).. I had a migraine once and everything went purple!!! The sky was almost cerise... Probably more to do with that than anything odd...

I have a friend who's in the RAF... He refuses to have children due to the chemical agents introduced into his system from his tours of Afghanistan, Falklands, Iraq, N. Ireland.. he's done the lot pretty much. I suppose if you were seeing an AF doctor then there might be other things at the back of his mind he might check for when it comes to the children of servicemen/women (lol)!
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Re: my theory

Postby winkeech » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:23 pm

Hiya Sasha,
At the risk of going off topic - thankyou for your fascinating reply and kind words. I take it the 'big one' would be on the night of 23rd Jan 74 around Cader Bronwen and Cader Berwyn around 8:30pm? - if so I've loads on that that I can PM you? My last girlfiend (4 years) was from North Wales (Gog!) and I have mates in mid Wales too, so this is not unfamilliar territory for me.

The Black Dog is interesting - I used to have a recurring dream about one trying to attack me, when I was a teen ... had exactly the same dream of it three times in row a row one night! - in the end I always woke up as I struck and killed it ... with what could only be described as a 'jim'll fix it badge' with a labarynth embossed upon it ... very odd. I would guess that the Black dog is an archetype for dark, dangerous and evil things?

The sound you describe keeps cropping up - I have recorded it near crop formations in the early hours in Wilts - and even recorded it directly from trees (after Pat Delgado asked me to confirm his observations/recordings - a true gent, sadly missed). I'll see if I can email a copy of it to you ... an odd sound, a bit like a diesel loco gone slightly techno rave!

Well, I'll not clutter up the forum - I'll PM you anything off topic that you may find of use or interest, thanks again for replying - all the best, Win.
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Re: my theory

Postby Sacha Christie » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:36 am

Actually no... My encounter (will PM it) happened 16 miles outside Wrexham... not far from Berwyn... There were two ufos one large airborne disc and a sphere aprox 9 feet in height on the ground about 25 feet to the back of us. The craziest night of my life.

The black dog is a common theme... Not sure what it means, a few thoughts.. yeah PM time lol... :lol:

The sound though... It's a common theme.
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Re: my theory

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:19 pm

So you have posted all of this interesting information! What Company's were working on that kind of stuff? And were they working on it in the Bentwaters area? If you take a look at SRI they were involved in some very interesting things! Plus take a look at were Zickler went and who he went to work for after Bentwaters! Could the Bentwaters area be a area that has a natural effect that makes this all work IE a place where the can form a entry point! And are there other areas in the world also?
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Re: my theory

Postby puddlepirate » Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:42 pm

Can anyone answer this one....

Given the considerable amount of activity taking place on the second night can anyone explain why no-one, not one person from any of the surrounding villages, has ever (apparently) admitted to seeing anything? From all the information published, discussed, researched and debunked regarding the RFI it seems rather strange that witnesses from the local population are conspicuous by their absence. Surely someone, somewhere must have seen something. What about the farmer whose house is still in the field? The people living down in the village? The forester? Other farm workers living nearby? Even though it was in the early hours of the morning surely someone must have noticed something odd going on. And what about the local paper? They are usually in touch with local events. Surely the local press must have got word that the USAF were out in the forest in some number during the early hours of the morning and needed to ask why?
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Re: my theory

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:35 pm

Can anyone help with this? I beleive there was somthing written in more than one book about British Civ seeing different things! And was there not somthing posted about a farmer being moved to Southern England?
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Re: my theory

Postby Daniel » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:22 pm

Puddlepirate has a very interesting point.

Is there any documentation of the height of this craft, whilst it was hovering in the air? The forest may have blocked the view for many off base, but those living on base wouldn't be obstructed. Puddlepirate has a very interesting point.

If everything happened very close together, I might have thought the encounter occurred in a controlled environment. A strong electro-static field may have the power to distort the outside environment to shield the environment within it.

@Sacha,

Thanks for the reply. I've never experienced seeing other colours from severe pain, so naturally I thought it was odd when I was asked about it. The greatest thing about that day was that I was told to have the week off from school. Had a high temperature all week, but felt perfectly okay.
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Re: my theory

Postby Sacha Christie » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:49 pm

There have been lots of reports from civilians. They just don't like talking to people in public.. on the internet or to ufo groups who usually blab all over the place. There is a guy called Barry... He saw ufos on the night, I met with him a few years ago, he drove me to where he lived when it happened and showed me the trajectory of the craft he saw. There was a gent who was interviewed and can be seen on one of the docs about Rendlesham.. Gerry somebody.. I spoke to men who were young lads when it happened. They said they were told not to leave the house. Someone was going door to door telling them to stay in.

One of the main reasons there aren't many civilian reports available is because quite frankly, no ones even bothered to ask. I stayed in suffolk at a pub... Not the cherry Tree before you ask.. lol.. I kept going back to the same pub, people got to know me, played a few games of pool with a couple of lads who were telling me their recollections. One of their granddad's was on the base in 56 when there was another occurence... It's all in his journal, guess who gets to see it...

Amazing what can happen when you approach these things as a human being and not some uppity fuss pot, full of their own self importance with a clip board and dicta-phone.

The arrangement is, I go back, we all meet up.. other people too who have something to say about what they saw or remember.

These people do not want their names and addresses publicized... Some don't mind now.. but 30 years ago.. a totally different matter. Now that the ufo issue is being directed towards being common belief it's all really quite trendy. Which is another reason why I think it might not be ET... they seem quite happy to let us believe it, so it must have been something else.... ? Maybeeeee....
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Re: my theory

Postby puddlepirate » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:26 pm

I see. Thanks. I'd heard about the Gerry guy and also the chap at Sudborne who saw an upturned mushroom shaped craft hovering above his house. However, given the considerable amount of activity and especially the beams shining down in the direction of the WSA which had to be coming from above tree height, lights from craft of some sort apparently, according to one witness at least, performing a grid search over the farmer's field and so on, I expected more. After all this wasn't just one or two guys checking something out. The second night involved a substantial group of USAF personnel complete with senior officers, floodlights, vehicles, craft on the ground in a farmer's field and so on, in a forest in the early hours of the morning. As far as I can establish this was not a regular occurrence so I would have thought the local press would have got hold of it and made enquiries at the base press office. Even if it only rated a couple of column inches on an inside page, I would have expected something.

I would also have expected the local press to leap on the case once the News of the World ran the story a couple of years later. After all, it's not every day that a UFO lands in Suffolk - and that, according to the NoW, was official.
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Re: my theory

Postby John Burroughs » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:16 am

Does anybody have sky crash? If I remember right they tracked down the farmer who was later moved to Southern England!!
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Re: my theory

Postby Observer » Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:15 am

One of my pals is a member of the Boast family, we used to go shooting together in the Rendlesham area. He is a local game keeper. I met up with him last year and I asked him if his family were at home at Christmas and had they seen or heard anything unusual over those nights in question, Yes, they were home, and no, they had not seen or heard anything unusual.

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Re: my theory

Postby Sacha Christie » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:01 pm

What about 'Betty Garfield'? She said some very interesting things about the activity in the office....

I have a meeting next week with someone who has something to tell me about the RFI.. they were a civilian employee on base at the time and lived with his family locally... I have no idea what he wants to tell me... Something to do with the people being sent off to different bases and the alleged suicide.

Obs... considering the time of the event, most people would have been fast asleep... Winter.. after midnight... not many people out walking their dogs or having BBQ's at that time ;) More's the pity....
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Re: my theory

Postby John Burroughs » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:33 pm

Observer
I see your back! Does this mean since one person or shall I say family did not hear anything like a space capsule being carried around by helo or a hang glider out on a recon mission messing with the SP nothing happened!! Oh and what have you now learned from my reaction on your latest post!
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