Lighthouse Theory

General discussion about the Rendlesham forest incident

Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:17 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2V0gqsRkrM Wow When we looked through the star scope at the light house there was no winking effect. Also there is the field where is the lighthouse and cobra mist lights we were fooled by. H mm anyway first nobody could except the ET theory. And now its not possible our governments were running some kind of TS project. Will im glad you guys were all there and have it figured out...
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby Open Mind Ed » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:27 pm

Deep Purple wrote:It seems unlikely they witnessed a recreation of a Nazi experiment--- there was no indication of a power supply necessary to perform such an event.
Dripping molten viewed through a nightscope is likely to be a hand held flare burning off.
Perhaps by a special forces recovery team?
Does this not seem more likely than some of the more far fetched explanations?


By that are you saying that Jim Penniston did not witness a craft landed in the forest and his story is one conjured up to continue a simple deception? And the 2nd night was also part of this deception?
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:29 pm

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1 ... nvironment There is still some kind of engery force there.
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby Deep Purple » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:13 pm

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By that are you saying that Jim Penniston did not witness a craft landed in the forest and his story is one conjured up to continue a simple deception? And the 2nd night was also part of this deception?[/quote]

Open Mind Ed.
Not sure how you got the Jim Penniston/ craft bit from what I said.
I mentioned neither.
Jim Penniston could have seen a craft. Perhaps it was made out of bits of computer paper with binary numbers on it
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby John Burroughs » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:27 pm

This would be very interesting if its true.http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/03/i-ha ... mmand.html
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby Ignis Fatuus » Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:52 am

It just sounds a bit incredulous that you didn't recognize that Halt's adventure was following in the footsteps of the first night. Footsteps that led to:
John Burroughs:
"We climbed over the fence and started heading towards the red
and blue lights and they just disappeared. Once we reached the
farmer's house we could see a beacon going around so we went
towards it. We followed it for about 2 miles before we could
see it was coming from a lighthouse.

And you whinge how the Chain of Command let you down.

How did you get involved with Halt's night? I listened to a podcast where you said you had some kind of feeling or instinct that the UFO was back. True?
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby Open Mind Ed » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:49 pm

Deep Purple wrote:


By that are you saying that Jim Penniston did not witness a craft landed in the forest and his story is one conjured up to continue a simple deception? And the 2nd night was also part of this deception?[/quote]

Open Mind Ed.
Not sure how you got the Jim Penniston/ craft bit from what I said.
I mentioned neither.
Jim Penniston could have seen a craft. Perhaps it was made out of bits of computer paper with binary numbers on it[/quote]

I think we've been following two different trains of thought! I was referring back to the fact that the Nazi Bell and Kecksburg Acorn reportedly contained glyphs similar to those that appear in Jim Penniston's notebook. That is of course if the reports are true in all 3 cases. The Acorn also appeared to be dripping molten metal by witnesses and was later recovered by the military (as the story goes). So yes Special forces using hand flares could be attempting to recover something in both Kecksburg and 15 years later in Rendlesham. But what?
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby Frank » Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:11 pm

Now we know that Jim’s notebook and later stories are probably more fiction than fact, we can try to reconstruct what happened from the remaining evidence.
For completeness I included information published in Skycrash, from an interview in 1983 (this info was posted earlier by Admin). At that time Jim’s identity was hidden under the pseudonym James Archer.

No glyphs, does not seem to be the lighthouse, does not seem to be an accident/crash, .. we’ll probably never know ..


[PENN] = Original witness statement of Jim Penniston (jan 1980)
[BURR] = Original witness statement of John Burroughs (jan 1980)
[CABA] = Original witness statement of Ed Cabansag (jan 1980)
[BURA] = Original witness statement of Fred (Skip) Buran (jan 1980)
[CHAN] = Original witness statement of J.D. Chandler (jan 1980)
[HALT] = Halt memo (jan 1980)
[ARCH] = Excerpts from Skycrash, based on an interview with Jim Penniston (1983)
[CONR] = Ted Conrad’s recollection of what Penniston told him (from an interview by David Clarke, published on Clarke’s website – Conrad is citing what Jim told him but adds that he is paraphrasing) (2010)
[ARMO] = Chris Armold’s recollections, published by James Easton (1997)

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Part I : Detecting the lights from East Gate
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[PENN]: A large yellow glowing light was emitting above the trees. In the centre of the lighted area directly in the centre ground level, there was red light blinking on and off 5 to 10 second intervals. And a blue light that was being for the most part steady.

[BURR]: The whole time I could see the lights and the white light was almost at the edge of the road and the blue and red lights were still out in the woods. A security unit was sent down to the gate and when they got there they could see it too.

[CABA]: SSgt Penniston and I left Delta NAPA, heading for the East Gate code 2. When we got there SSt Steffens and A1C Burroughs were on patrol. They told us they had seen some funny lights out in the woods.

[BURA]: I directed SSgt Coffey, the on duty Security Controlled to attempt to ascertain from SSgt Penniston whether or not the lights could be marker lights of some kind, to which SSgt Penniston said that he had never seen lights of this color or nature in the area before. He described them as red, blue, white and orange.

[CHAN]: Upon arrival, SSgt Penniston immediately notified CSC that he too was observing these lights and requested to make a closer observation.

[HALT]: Two USAF security police patrolmen saw unusual lights outside the back gate at RAF Woodbridge. Thinking an aircraft might have crashed or been forced down, they called for permission to go outside the gate to investigate.

[ARCH]: Guards at the gate had seen lights shining over the top of the trees,apparently descending out of sight into the forest.

[CONR]: The lights were clearly visible when I arrived at the RAF Woodbridge gate. No one knew the source of the lights, but some speculated that it was close enough to the approach path of the runway that it could in fact be a crashed plane. Because of this, it was decided that further investigation was warranted. Burroughs, Cabansag and myself were sent out by jeep.

[ARMO]: After midnight, John Burroughs radioed the LE desk and reported he had seen strange lights outside the East Gate on RAF Woodbridge. I was actually on RAF Lakenheath hanging out at the Law Enforcement Desk at the time.

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Part II: Walking toward the lights after leaving the vehicle
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[PENN]: Left vehicle, proceeded on foot. Burroughs and I were approx. 15-20 meters apart and proceeding on a true east direction from logging road. The area in front of us was lighting up a 30 meter area.

[BURR]: We stopped the truck where the road stopped and went on foot. We crossed a small open field that let into where the lights were coming from, and as we were coming into the trees there were strange noises, like a woman screaming. Also the woods lit up and you could hear the farm animals making a lot of noises, and there was a lot of movement in the woods.

[CABA]: Due to the terrain we had to on by foot. We kept in constant contact with CSC. While we walked, each one of us would see the lights. Blue, red, white, and yellow. The beckon light turned out to be the yellow light. We would see them periodically, but not in a specific pattern. As we approached, the lights would seem to be at the edge of the forest.
When we got about 75-50 meters, MSgt Chandler/Flight Chief, was on the scene. CSC was not reading our transmissions very well, so we used MSgt Chandler as a go-between. He remained back at out vehicle.

[BURA]: I monitored their progress (Penniston, Burroughs and Cabansag) as they entered the wooded area.

[CHAN]: After several minutes, Penniston requested my presence. I departed RAF Bentwaters through Butley Gate for RAF Woodbridge. When I arrived, SSgt Penniston, A1C Burroughs and Amn Cabansag had entered the wooded area just beyond the clearing at the access road.
We set up radio relay between SSgt Penniston, myself and CSC.

[HALT]: The on-duty flight chief responded and allowed three patrolmen to proceed on foot. The individuals reported seeing a strange glowing object in the forest.

[ARCH]: At the end of the lane leading from the gate they left the jeep because the way ahead was full of potholes and ruts. After walking several hundred feet further they became aware of red and blue lights ahead of them.

[CONR]: We worked our way toward the still- visible lights by way of a logging road. As we approached close enough to have a clear view of the site, [Burroughs?] decided we were close enough and stopped the vehicle. We were still more than 100 meters away and, wanting a better look, I decided to proceed further on foot. [Burroughs?] accompanied me as we closed on what we began to see was an object with lights on it.

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Part III: Closing in on the object/lights; the object/lights moves back
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[PENN]: When we got within a 50 meter distance, the object was producing red and blue light. The blue light was steady and projecting under the object. It was up the area directly extending a meter or two out. At this point of positive identification I relayed to CSC, SSgt Coffey. A positing sighting of the object...1....Color of lights and that it was definitely mechanical in nature. It moved in a zigzagging manner back through the woods.

[BURR]: All three of us hit the ground and whatever it was started moving back towards the open field. After a minute or two we got up and moved into the trees and the lights moved out into the open field.

[CABA]: We were about 100 meters from the edge of the forest when I saw a quick movement, it look visible for a moment . It look like it spun left a quarter of a turn, then it was gone. I advised SSgt Penniston and A1C Burroughs. We advised CSC and proceeded in extreme caution.

[BURA]: They appeared to get very close to the lights, and at one point SSgt Penniston stated that it was a definite mechanical object.

[CHAN]: On one occasion Penniston relayed that he was close enough to the object to determine it was definitely a mechanical object. He stated that he was within 50 meters. He also stated that there was lots of noises in the area which seemed to be animals running around.

[HALT]: The object was described as being metallic in appearance and triangular in shape, approximately two to three meters across the base and approximately two meters high. It illuminated the entire forest with a white light. The object itself had a pulsing red light on top and a bank(s) of blue lights underneath. The object was hovering or on legs. As the patrolmen approached the object, it manoeuvred through the trees ..

[ARCH]: The security officer [=Jim] stopped for a moment and had to be urged onwards. He was asked to describe what they saw. He spoke very softly: 'It was a triangular thing. Yes, triangular - and it stood on three legs.' Archer [=Jim] said the size of the object was about ten by twelve feet, and around eight feet in height. He was asked if the saw any people in it. He paused for long seconds and then replied, 'No - I didn't see any aliens. But there was definitely something inside it. I don't know what. But the shapes did not look human. Maybe they were like robots.' Burroughs went up to it and looked as if he were planning to touch it, he continued. But the craft responded. It drew in its legs, retracting them up into the main body - and then it began to move around the forest just above ground level.

[CONR]: Our apprehension began to build, so we stopped about 50 meters away, taking cover behind some brush. After studying the situation for about 10 minutes, we decided to move in yet further for a closer look. Just as we began to close the distance to the object, it began to move away through the trees.

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Part IV: Chase and disappearance, only beacon light still visible
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[PENN]: We proceeded after it then lost sight of it.

[BURR]: We got up to a fence that separated the trees from the open field. You could see the lights down by a farmer's house. We climbed over the fence and started walking toward the red and blue lights and they just disappeared.

[CABA]: As we entered the forest, the blue and red lights were not visible anymore. Only the beacon light, was still blinking. We figured the lights were coming from past the forest, since nothing was visible when we passed through the woody forest. We would see a glowing near the beacon light, but as we got closer we found it to be a lit up farm house.

[BURA]: SSgt Penniston reported getting near the object and then all of a sudden said they had gone past it and were looking a marker beacon that was in the same direction as the other lights.

[CHAN]: Each time Penniston gave me the indication that he was about to reach the area where the lights were he would give an extended estimated location. He eventually arrived at a 'beacon light', however, he stated that this was not the light or lights he had originally observed.

[HALT]: .. and [the object] disappeared. At this time the animals on a nearby farm went into a frenzy.

[ARCH]: It moved slowly. They could follow it by walking, and keep up. It displayed amazing manoeuvrability, dodging in and out of trees. They saw that it had left holes in the ground at the spot where the legs had been lowered. At closest approach they got within a few feet of it. They had a very good view. It was like nothing man-made. The colour was an off-white and it looked dirty. There was a blue light on top, with red lights and a white light in the middle and a brighter white light coming out of the bottom. Archer [=Jim] and Burroughs followed the craft as it moved from the forest into a small field, the one next to the Boast home. Here it made some cows run around in panic. It then let out a sudden, intense burst of white light and rose to a height of about 200 feet, before shooting away from view at tremendous speed.

[CONR]: The faster we moved toward it the faster it moved away. By the time we arrived at an open field a much greater distance had opened up between us, and soon it disappeared beyond a small rise in the direction of a farm house. After a short pause, we decided we had had enough and headed back toward [Cabansag] and the jeep. With a quick glance over the shoulder we saw the thing again back at the hill, this time coming toward us. We ran to get away, but within two seconds it was up and gone.

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Part V: Moving further, identification of beacon light, termination of investigation, blue streaking light
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[PENN]: On the way back we encountered a blue streaking light to the left only lasting a few seconds.

[BURR]: Once we reached the farmer's house we could see a beacon going around, so we went toward it. We followed it for about 2 miles before we could see it was coming from a lighthouse. We had just passed a creak and were told to come back when we saw a blue light to our left in the trees. It was only there for a minute and just streaked away.

[CABA]: We ran and walked a good 2 miles past out the vehicle, until we got to a vantage point where we could determine that what we were chasing was only a beacon light off in the distance. We informed CSC that the light beacon was farther than we thought, so CSC terminated our investigation. A1C Burroughs saw the light again, this time it was coming from the left of us, as we were walking back to our patrol vehicle. We got in contact with SSgt Penniston and we took a walk to where we saw the lights. Nothing.

[BURA]: They continued to look further, to no avail. At approximately 3:43 hrs, I terminated the investigation and ordered all units bad to their normal duties.

[CHAN]: He was instructed to return. While on route out of the area he reported seeing lights again almost in direct pass where they had passed earlier. Shortly after this, they reported that the lights were no longer visible.

[HALT]: The object was briefly sighted approximately an hour later near the back gate.

Message of Armold in Suffolk police log (at 04:11): WE HAVE A SIGHTING OF SOME UNUSUAL LIGHTS IN THE SKY, HAVE SENT SOME UNARMED TROUPS TO INVESTIGATE, WE ARE TERMING IT AS A U.F.O. AT PRESENT.

[ARMO]: We called the Control Tower and I even called the local Constabulary (…).I'm certain the decision to call the local constabulary was one that was made late in the morning and with hesitation. (…) In any case, after getting a negative reply from the British Cops, my flight chief asked me if I wanted to head out to Woodbridge to meet up with Burroughs and see what was up. I grabbed the back gate keys and took the back way to RAF W/B.

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Part VI: Walking back and reporting
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[PENN]: After 45 min walk, arrived at our vehicle.

[BURR]: After that we didn't see anything and returned to the truck.

[CABA]: A1C Burroughs and I took a road, while SSgt Penniston walked straight back from where we came. Finally, we made it back to our vehicle, after making contact with the PC's and informing them of what we saw. After that we met MSgt Chandler and we went in service again after termination of the sighting.

[BURA]: I directed SSgt Penniston to take notes of the incident when he came in that morning. After talking with him face to face concerning the incident, I am convinced that he saw something out of the realm of explanation for him at that time.

[CHAN]: SSgt Penniston returned to RAF Woodbridge. After talking to the three of them, I am sure that they had observed something unusual. At no time did I observe anything from the time I arrived at RAF Woodbridge.

[ARMO]: I met Burroughs at the East Gate of WB. We left our guns with the guy riding with Burroughs and drove to the end of the long access road. We left our vehicle and walked out there. There was absolutely nothing in the woods. We could see lights in the distance and it appeared unusual as it was a sweeping light, (we did not know about the lighthouse on the coast at the time). We also saw some strange colored lights in the distance but were unable to determine what they were. (…) The lights were primarily white and were very small, far off in the distance. Occasionally one would see a shade of blue or red but I attribute that to refraction from stained glass windows in a local church in addition to the fog and weather at the time. The lights did not move in erratic fashions nor did they move towards us or act in any manner which violated the laws of known physics.
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby Pluton » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:58 pm

Observer Thanks for the advice, but for me the answer was found years ago and it is not on this site. Round in circles true, but the answer never touches it! That is why I did something useful and took a physics degree over the last few years. That is where the answer is! As somebody said "it's spring". Time to start something new.
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby John Burroughs » Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:13 pm

ARMO]: I met Burroughs at the East Gate of WB. We left our guns with the guy riding with Burroughs and drove to the end of the long access road. We left our vehicle and walked out there. There was absolutely nothing in the woods. We could see lights in the distance and it appeared unusual as it was a sweeping light, (we did not know about the lighthouse on the coast at the time). We also saw some strange colored lights in the distance but were unable to determine what they were. (…) The lights were primarily white and were very small, far off in the distance. Occasionally one would see a shade of blue or red but I attribute that to refraction from stained glass windows in a local church in addition to the fog and weather at the time. The lights did not move in erratic fashions nor did they move towards us or act in any manner which violated the laws of known physics.

First of all Armold showed up as we were coming back in. I never returned to the woods that night with him. Second does it not seem strange if I did go with him would I not have pointed out the lighthouse to him since I just had ID it. Also where he stated we went you could not see the lighthouse from there anyway.
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby bignos » Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:24 pm

John, were the lights similar to the lights(that just disapeared when you climbed over the fence into the field) that you showed up on camera (earth files) when you were over in December, is it possible that the electrostatic event that you witnessed recently was similar to the one 30 years ago? Do you feel that they are related? They seem to be in the same place...
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby Frank » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:45 pm

Bignos,

A while ago, on a rainy Sunday afternoon, I browsed through all the pieces that John posted on this forum over the years and collected the bits and pieces that described what happened and what he experienced. When you put these bits and pieces together you get some idea of the strange phenomenon he witnessed.

The drawing is from his original witness statement. It pictures an orange/red sphere that moved back and forth / up and down. When it sat in one place, a conical orange/red beam came out and a white light came out below this beam in the trees. Blue lights were blinking on and off inside the beam and came out of the beam.

Hope this helps.


“The 3 of us were staged Jim in front to my left I was in the middle and Cabansag was behind me to my right. That is the way we were going through the forest.”

“There was some kind of object flying around in the sky and it was beaming down some kind of energy to the ground.”
“And I will add something else you need to figure out what caused the energy spikes that we encountered. Something had to cause the whole forest to light up the way it did.”
“It was out there in the woods for more than 30 min. and it was going up and down in the trees!”

“I remember when we came upon it Jim yelling out fire on it! No it was not in my statement I didn't put everything that happened in it! I do not remember being armed Jim and Ed say I was! After that I remember it moving away in a blink of a eye and was gone!”
“Penniston from the beginning stated he felt it was a craft I was farther away from it and did not feel it was a craft for sure. The lights around it were very bright and if you look at my statement I drew what the lights looked like.”

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“It did not just stay on the ground. If we would have come up on something we would have reported it and secured it.”
“Whatever it was lifted up and went back and was gone that fast with no noise.”

“There were only 3 of us who went out in the forest and no one stayed behind.”
“All 3 of us were told to turn in statements to Halt when we came back to work. I did hand write mine Penniston typed his and they helped Cabansag type his. We did not put everything in it because we were told it was for Halt not for a police or official report. Also Halt told me only to talk about the first night not the second because he was there.”
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby John Burroughs » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:38 pm

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Re: Lighthouse Theory

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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby John Burroughs » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:23 pm

John Burroughs wrote:http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/game-changing-fbi-memo?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4da213222a22ccca%2C0


The second is that at least one craft was brought down after its ability to stay aloft was disrupted by powerful new radars that had just begun to be tested at White Sands

Read the original source: http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/g ... z1JEx79spA
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby John Burroughs » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:15 pm

John Burroughs wrote:
John Burroughs wrote:http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/game-changing-fbi-memo?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4da213222a22ccca%2C0


The second is that at least one craft was brought down after its ability to stay aloft was disrupted by powerful new radars that had just begun to be tested at White Sands

Read the original source: http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/g ... z1JEx79spA


http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1 ... nvironment
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby John Burroughs » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:56 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13033437

The US military has been experimenting with laser weapons since the 1970s.
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Re: Lighthouse Theory

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Re: Lighthouse Theory

Postby Imperium_85 » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:02 am

''We know that the radiation readings weren't significant''

While I am certainly no expert on radiation, the thing I find interesting is that there were readings on the side of the trees facing the landing site, yet nothing but silence when moved to the opposite side facing away from the supposed landing site. Too much of a coincidence for me I think.

Also OBS -

You mentioned in an earlier post that all the original witness statements only mentioned lights. Did Pennistion not mention to Lt Buran that the object was '' definetly mechanical in nature? ''

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