puddlepirate wrote:Hmm. I agree. It was late - early hours of the morning but on the second night the (sic) barnyard animals were making a heck of a racket. That alone would have awakened anyone living nearby, certainly the farmer whose house was (still is) in the field and probably also the people living in the houses on the far side of the field, bordering the road.
I don't mean to be pedantic but after I left the motor industry my first job in sales was to sell display advertising for local newspaper publisher. They published several paid for (as opposed to freebie) titles. It was the editor's job to ensure his staff captured stories of local interest and, hopefully, scoop Fleet St with a big local exclusive. People bought the paper because of the quality of the editorial and advertisers paid for space because people bought the paper. Thus the editor's job was a difficult one. He could not afford to miss a big local story because if he did and a competitor got it, circulation would go down and advertising revenues would go to the competition. Thus, had he got even a sniff of a UFO landing in the local area, he would have sent someone to check it out. To inteview anyone and everyone who might have seen something - and he would certainly have called the base press office. It would have been more than his job was worth not to do that. So, given all editors are the same, why did that not happen at Rendlesham?
This was supposedly the biggest UFO event since Roswell. At Roswell the local paper, local radio station and anyone who had even the remotest connection with the ranch wanted their fifteen minutes of fame. When Buncefield blew up, people as far away as Italy were claiming they either heard the bang or felt the earth move. In other words they all wanted 'in' on the big story. But not at Rendlesham. That is most odd.
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Re: my theory
by Sacha Christie » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:45 am
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Re: my theory
by Sacha Christie » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:48 am
Ok that didn't quite work out as i expected... here's what I expected to appear....
Nice to see that as another former regular contributor comes onto the forum who actually has well reasoned ideas and good intellect is shot down in flames. You seem to like winding people up John. No wonder Larry's not allowed to play with the 'big boys' he's not made of the right stuff is he? No yes sir no sir three bags full sir can I sit next to you sir....
You had an idea.. and that was to have a witness reunion... As many of the actual witnesses as possible and a plea for any previously silent ones. Phil Mantle decided to organize a conference and let me know... when I asked if Larry was speaking I was told he'd ruffled too many feathers and the concern was that some people might not come if he was there.... So... It turns out that Phil is waiting to hear if he has a sponsor to pay for you and Charles Halt to come over and speak and for an overnight stay in the forest. But Larry isn't welcome.... Love him or hate him...Leaving him out of a witness reunion because of politics like that... Even though HALT HAS CHANGED HIS STORY MAJORLY oh and lets not forget WROTE A SCRIPT FOR A FILM.... Anyone else did that there would be screams of HE'S IN IT FOR THE MONEY!!! i hear no cries of indignation.
Who the hell is anyone to exclude anyone from an event that no one owns? Now.. In my book that's playground bullying and personally I find it deplorable. Larry is an integral part of this story and he's also a good crowd puller.. Like it or lump it.
phil told someone else it was purely a financial decision and that Larry is speaking at LAPIS so he'll already have had some "exposure".... Exposure? It's not a popularity contest and it's not a political debate. It's a human rights issue and there's obviously a concerted effort gone into concealing something of significance, there is a cover up... no need to debate what... It's a fact.
I'm still going to try and put on a conference for the misfits. I'll be calling it Left OUT at East Gate. It will be well balanced as far as speakers are concerned, precise scientific analysis of data by well qualified scientists who do not believe it to be ufos, to those who do. Open mike session at the end for anyone who's done some work on this but never would get the chance to speak out because you don't move in the right circles, walk the walk, talk the talk or would ever dream of using people as a staircase to get to where they want to be. I think it's about time youofoology got a good hard kick in the nuts. There just doesn't seem to be an integrity or respect for the truth or the quality of life and psychological impact these events have on people. These people are their bread and butter and they're greedy, then leave the table without clearing up after themselves.
I just wonder what people are going to say when it all becomes apparent, which it will... hundreds of thousands of people poking about in it.... I don't know why Larry bothers to be honest. He should give it the two fingered salute and have a life... John.. if you want the truth I think you're probably gonna need to take another road, you wont find it in a place where grown men can't even be in the same room for a few hours... I have to beg the question, why won't Halt even be in the same room as him? One that has changed his story on more than just a couple of occasions. The irony is.. If Larry did throw in the towel and walk away from it.. especially after this conspiracy theorists dream... The tide would turn and they'd be looking at John and Charles in a different light and in a year or so would be scrambling all over each other to get Larry.. the silent 'victim' of the military conspiracy that is Rendlesham forest... the film could be a sequel to Halts... ! Why not a tv series? with three alternative endings!! Yeah.. that would be a viable financial venture... taking the 'truth' to the public... Here it is on the big screen.. BAM BA BAAA-AAAM!!! Brought to in dolby surround sound incorporating the latest Tunnel Vision technology!!! I'm not disparaging the script.. Just the way the film came about... I like Gary a lot, he's a very lovely and honest man. I just hope he hasn't handed over his family jewels on a cushion to be minced in the military meat grinder.
The really sad thing is... this forum would have lots more visitors, it may yet, the story is becoming pretty big now... Wouldn't it be a shame that after the effort and cost admin puts in to keep this running for us, each new comer is greeted with a bored 'senior member' who acts like they have a right to be on here more than the 'newbies'. I suggest that if you are so bored of repeating yourselves, instead of being pretty damned negative in my eyes a lot of the time, try being nice.. if that doesn't work for you can always not bother posting. What's a forum for anyway? I have one myself.. it works really well... we have conversations and exchange ideas... It's a refreshing little haven for the battered and bewildered. The smug comments i've read on here are the cute inimitable little indications that we're sooo five minutes ago.. you've already heard it all before yaaawn.. bring me something new.. and No... i won't tell you what i think, I've been working on this for years.... Why should I just hand over my hard work.. do it yourself brigade... You might want to let people feel welcome... Doesn't matter what you think happened... We all know something did... Can't anyone entertain an idea without losing control of their emotions? can't anyone spare the time to just even listen without instantly clicking into being critical in their listening, to find fault and not hear good even valid points? If not then switch of your computer and find another pastime.
There are some really nice people on this forum, I've enjoyed speaking with you. Some of you are just trolls, which is disrespectful to the person who pays for the site you come onto growling at everyone, chasing them off like Golum with his precious. The best one recently was "ufo circus"... So many people with incredible knowledge and qualifications but you know better than all of them. Serious ego issues mate...
Thanks to the people here who've taken the time out to talk to me, shame you wouldn't do it on the public forum because there would be no way for you to get your point across to me without someone trying to hijack it and tell you you're wrong and turn it into something it was never going to be, and I'd be non the wiser. To those of you who've been smug and downright rude... Job well done! You're most excellent at what you do!! gold star for you! just a few more members to go and it will be yours all yours!!
My final gold star award goes to whoever said.. can't remember or be bothered to look for it.... "In my opinion, after 'all my years of research' that nothing happened at Rendlesham"... and that was that... then someone agreed!!! hahahaha!
30 years of nit picking about who was where and said what... totally takes everyone away from looking at what actually occurred... John... I just don't understand why any of that stuff is so important to you. He saw what he saw.. made the call.. sent the letter.. pretty damned quickly for someone who had to make it up as he went along based on what other people started to say.. AFTER he started to say it... I'm not saying he's the difinitive witness and his account is 100% accurate but the way you all behave towards him is outrageous... Maybe now some of the other members of the forum may understand why he was so angry. It's not about fame, it's not about money, you just can't see where he' coming from because you don't want to. Yeah he's abrasive and angry.. hes got every right to be... esp now it's ok for someone else to say it's ET because it's Col Halt who is a military man and can be trusted... uhuh... The only way this could ever even begin to have a chance of being sorted is by co-operation, no matter what your politics are.. its the only way to rationally approach it. But rationality doesn't come into it. The story must be straightened out once and for all by the Col..... Who'd want to believe a 'loose cannon' who isn't what everyone thinks he should be. He drinks! He swears! He doesn't tow the party line... There no need to be angry i read... What.. not even about his head being messed with, drugged.. god knows what... Halt said it happened.. so it MUST be true!!! Right??!! Hahaha! I can't understand why you're not spitting feathers too John, just splitting hairs.
Don't write loads of demands to answer this point that point and the other.. no point to address the point when you won't agree anyway and it will be full circle ahead again. I'm bored of that approach...It's all about hardware now for me... what could do all that... even theoretically... in 30 years there have been many many scientific advancements and projects on the go...That's a lot of scholarly articles of yesteryear too look at all the way up to present, many a dissertation, all in unusual areas of study... Especially cadet and USAF FE test papers with juicy clues, to name but a few places to look. That's where the answers lie... NOT in Halts testimony.
You won't ever be able to figured out what HAPPENED by pouring over ancient conversations either.... You can find faults in testimonies all day long if that's what you want to do, not particularly productive though is it? How much ground has been made in thirty years in that respect? Hamburger Hill syndrome... never get anywhere and it's a waste of time which ultimately is... your life.
Well I'll be off then, I''ll be back every now and again. Fed up of chasing my own tail thinking I might learn something or have a serious but friendly exchange. No one knows the truth of the matter so why there's any aloofness is beyond me.
Ciao for now.
puddlepirate wrote:Hmm. I agree. It was late - early hours of the morning but on the second night the (sic) barnyard animals were making a heck of a racket. That alone would have awakened anyone living nearby, certainly the farmer whose house was (still is) in the field and probably also the people living in the houses on the far side of the field, bordering the road.
It's not exactly a heavily populated area and also wasn't it supposed to be the forest wildlife.. there was no farm with animals nearby...
I don't mean to be pedantic
Why not? I am. I think you have to be shall we say, thorough. If something doesn't sit right then it has to be looked at.
This was supposedly the biggest UFO event since Roswell. At Roswell the local paper, local radio station and anyone who had even the remotest connection with the ranch wanted their fifteen minutes of fame. When Buncefield blew up, people as far away as Italy were claiming they either heard the bang or felt the earth move. In other words they all wanted 'in' on the big story. But not at Rendlesham. That is most odd.
Regardless of whether it was an ET/Timetravel/weird as you like/mundane as you like, something significant happened,something that you would THINK would have attracted more attention than it seemed to, that we even know about yet. there are still more files to be released under the thirty year rule.. oooh look... times almost up... Funny there's a film in the offing.. funny Halt said it's ET.. after all these years of swerving around it to protect his pension etc... He turns around and says "aaaah F*** it...!" and picks a good honest reliable police officer to bandy it about for him... Tell you what... It looks like a massive set up to me. Hollyweirdize the story... Just look at Pearl harbour, you know they're sticklers for the facts.... ahem. It's being bigged up on purpose and that makes my spidey senses tingle.
The only reason I have my doubts about it being ET are because a Loyal Military representative wants us to think it is... Therefore..... The military do too. i wouldn't trust them with my rubbish.
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Nice to see that as another former regular contributor comes onto the forum who actually has well reasoned ideas and good intellect is shot down in flames. You seem to like winding people up John. No wonder Larry's not allowed to play with the 'big boys' he's not made of the right stuff is he? No yes sir no sir three bags full sir can I sit next to you sir....
You had an idea.. and that was to have a witness reunion... As many of the actual witnesses as possible and a plea for any previously silent ones. Phil Mantle decided to organize a conference and let me know... when I asked if Larry was speaking I was told he'd ruffled too many feathers and the concern was that some people might not come if he was there.... So... It turns out that Phil is waiting to hear if he has a sponsor to pay for you and Charles Halt to come over and speak and for an overnight stay in the forest. But Larry isn't welcome.... Love him or hate him...Leaving him out of a witness reunion because of politics like that... Even though HALT HAS CHANGED HIS STORY MAJORLY oh and lets not forget WROTE A SCRIPT FOR A FILM.... Anyone else did that there would be screams of HE'S IN IT FOR THE MONEY!!! i hear no cries of indignation.
Who the hell is anyone to exclude anyone from an event that no one owns? Now.. In my book that's playground bullying and personally I find it deplorable. Larry is an integral part of this story and he's also a good crowd puller.. Like it or lump it.
phil told someone else it was purely a financial decision and that Larry is speaking at LAPIS so he'll already have had some "exposure".... Exposure? It's not a popularity contest and it's not a political debate. It's a human rights issue and there's obviously a concerted effort gone into concealing something of significance, there is a cover up... no need to debate what... It's a fact.
I'm still going to try and put on a conference for the misfits. I'll be calling it Left OUT at East Gate. It will be well balanced as far as speakers are concerned, precise scientific analysis of data by well qualified scientists who do not believe it to be ufos, to those who do. Open mike session at the end for anyone who's done some work on this but never would get the chance to speak out because you don't move in the right circles, walk the walk, talk the talk or would ever dream of using people as a staircase to get to where they want to be. I think it's about time youofoology got a good hard kick in the nuts. There just doesn't seem to be an integrity or respect for the truth or the quality of life and psychological impact these events have on people. These people are their bread and butter and they're greedy, then leave the table without clearing up after themselves.
I just wonder what people are going to say when it all becomes apparent, which it will... hundreds of thousands of people poking about in it.... I don't know why Larry bothers to be honest. He should give it the two fingered salute and have a life... John.. if you want the truth I think you're probably gonna need to take another road, you wont find it in a place where grown men can't even be in the same room for a few hours... I have to beg the question, why won't Halt even be in the same room as him? One that has changed his story on more than just a couple of occasions. The irony is.. If Larry did throw in the towel and walk away from it.. especially after this conspiracy theorists dream... The tide would turn and they'd be looking at John and Charles in a different light and in a year or so would be scrambling all over each other to get Larry.. the silent 'victim' of the military conspiracy that is Rendlesham forest... the film could be a sequel to Halts... ! Why not a tv series? with three alternative endings!! Yeah.. that would be a viable financial venture... taking the 'truth' to the public... Here it is on the big screen.. BAM BA BAAA-AAAM!!! Brought to in dolby surround sound incorporating the latest Tunnel Vision technology!!! I'm not disparaging the script.. Just the way the film came about... I like Gary a lot, he's a very lovely and honest man. I just hope he hasn't handed over his family jewels on a cushion to be minced in the military meat grinder.
The really sad thing is... this forum would have lots more visitors, it may yet, the story is becoming pretty big now... Wouldn't it be a shame that after the effort and cost admin puts in to keep this running for us, each new comer is greeted with a bored 'senior member' who acts like they have a right to be on here more than the 'newbies'. I suggest that if you are so bored of repeating yourselves, instead of being pretty damned negative in my eyes a lot of the time, try being nice.. if that doesn't work for you can always not bother posting. What's a forum for anyway? I have one myself.. it works really well... we have conversations and exchange ideas... It's a refreshing little haven for the battered and bewildered. The smug comments i've read on here are the cute inimitable little indications that we're sooo five minutes ago.. you've already heard it all before yaaawn.. bring me something new.. and No... i won't tell you what i think, I've been working on this for years.... Why should I just hand over my hard work.. do it yourself brigade... You might want to let people feel welcome... Doesn't matter what you think happened... We all know something did... Can't anyone entertain an idea without losing control of their emotions? can't anyone spare the time to just even listen without instantly clicking into being critical in their listening, to find fault and not hear good even valid points? If not then switch of your computer and find another pastime.
There are some really nice people on this forum, I've enjoyed speaking with you. Some of you are just trolls, which is disrespectful to the person who pays for the site you come onto growling at everyone, chasing them off like Golum with his precious. The best one recently was "ufo circus"... So many people with incredible knowledge and qualifications but you know better than all of them. Serious ego issues mate...
Thanks to the people here who've taken the time out to talk to me, shame you wouldn't do it on the public forum because there would be no way for you to get your point across to me without someone trying to hijack it and tell you you're wrong and turn it into something it was never going to be, and I'd be non the wiser. To those of you who've been smug and downright rude... Job well done! You're most excellent at what you do!! gold star for you! just a few more members to go and it will be yours all yours!!
My final gold star award goes to whoever said.. can't remember or be bothered to look for it.... "In my opinion, after 'all my years of research' that nothing happened at Rendlesham"... and that was that... then someone agreed!!! hahahaha!
30 years of nit picking about who was where and said what... totally takes everyone away from looking at what actually occurred... John... I just don't understand why any of that stuff is so important to you. He saw what he saw.. made the call.. sent the letter.. pretty damned quickly for someone who had to make it up as he went along based on what other people started to say.. AFTER he started to say it... I'm not saying he's the difinitive witness and his account is 100% accurate but the way you all behave towards him is outrageous... Maybe now some of the other members of the forum may understand why he was so angry. It's not about fame, it's not about money, you just can't see where he' coming from because you don't want to. Yeah he's abrasive and angry.. hes got every right to be... esp now it's ok for someone else to say it's ET because it's Col Halt who is a military man and can be trusted... uhuh... The only way this could ever even begin to have a chance of being sorted is by co-operation, no matter what your politics are.. its the only way to rationally approach it. But rationality doesn't come into it. The story must be straightened out once and for all by the Col..... Who'd want to believe a 'loose cannon' who isn't what everyone thinks he should be. He drinks! He swears! He doesn't tow the party line... There no need to be angry i read... What.. not even about his head being messed with, drugged.. god knows what... Halt said it happened.. so it MUST be true!!! Right??!! Hahaha! I can't understand why you're not spitting feathers too John, just splitting hairs.
Don't write loads of demands to answer this point that point and the other.. no point to address the point when you won't agree anyway and it will be full circle ahead again. I'm bored of that approach...It's all about hardware now for me... what could do all that... even theoretically... in 30 years there have been many many scientific advancements and projects on the go...That's a lot of scholarly articles of yesteryear too look at all the way up to present, many a dissertation, all in unusual areas of study... Especially cadet and USAF FE test papers with juicy clues, to name but a few places to look. That's where the answers lie... NOT in Halts testimony.
You won't ever be able to figured out what HAPPENED by pouring over ancient conversations either.... You can find faults in testimonies all day long if that's what you want to do, not particularly productive though is it? How much ground has been made in thirty years in that respect? Hamburger Hill syndrome... never get anywhere and it's a waste of time which ultimately is... your life.
Well I'll be off then, I''ll be back every now and again. Fed up of chasing my own tail thinking I might learn something or have a serious but friendly exchange. No one knows the truth of the matter so why there's any aloofness is beyond me.
Ciao for now.
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Re: my theory
by Observer » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:32 am
Hi Sacha
I have been a member of this forum almost from day one, thats nearly 4 years or so.
I recorded my 1,000th PUBLIC post on this forum last year and was congratulated by admin and Silvertop for that achievement.
I researched and looked at every conceivable scenario, some stupid and many quite convincing, but none could be said with conviction as the cause of the RFI.
Over my time on the forum I have been verbally beated up, threatened, and trashed because of some views I posted. I can take that, no problem, it goes with the job as they say.
I can remember the treatment Ian Ridpath received, which was not very nice.
The one biggest frustration with this forum is, it keeps going round in circles and is not getting any where.
We have members with agendas and members with open minds. many have given up and have stopped posting, just check the members lists, many of those people from the early days were prolific posters and made some very good contribution to the research.
About 3 years ago I teemed up with puddlepirate as we had a lot in common, we were both ex military, puddle Navy, me RAF and we pooled our knowledge in a joint attempt to research this incident. Even our joint research got us no where. We did however learn some very interesting things on the way.
So after 4 years of very interesting and also very frustrating investigation, I have decided to hang up the gloves.
I will keep one eye cocked on the posts from time to time, but as for any more investigation, over to you.
Cheers
Obs
I have been a member of this forum almost from day one, thats nearly 4 years or so.
I recorded my 1,000th PUBLIC post on this forum last year and was congratulated by admin and Silvertop for that achievement.
I researched and looked at every conceivable scenario, some stupid and many quite convincing, but none could be said with conviction as the cause of the RFI.
Over my time on the forum I have been verbally beated up, threatened, and trashed because of some views I posted. I can take that, no problem, it goes with the job as they say.
I can remember the treatment Ian Ridpath received, which was not very nice.
The one biggest frustration with this forum is, it keeps going round in circles and is not getting any where.
We have members with agendas and members with open minds. many have given up and have stopped posting, just check the members lists, many of those people from the early days were prolific posters and made some very good contribution to the research.
About 3 years ago I teemed up with puddlepirate as we had a lot in common, we were both ex military, puddle Navy, me RAF and we pooled our knowledge in a joint attempt to research this incident. Even our joint research got us no where. We did however learn some very interesting things on the way.
So after 4 years of very interesting and also very frustrating investigation, I have decided to hang up the gloves.
I will keep one eye cocked on the posts from time to time, but as for any more investigation, over to you.
Cheers
Obs
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Re: my theory
by Sacha Christie » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:09 pm
Hi Obs... ... Exactly the point I'm making. I think there are a lot of 'members' of various forums, hiding behind their avatars and fake names being derogatory and down right nasty at times... Safe as houses. Face to face? Well they wouldn't turn up but if they did they wouldn't speak with the viciousness they can afford here or on any other forum... I have genuinely felt like punching some people in the mouth... I don't advocate violence but on a few occasions I've thought I might actually enjoy it.
Isn't it a shame that the selfish actions and attitudes of a few people can totally destroy something good... You have to ask yourselves who the hell are these people driving everyone away from the forum hiding behind persona's. No need to ask who's side they're on... that's obvious. Their own... Maybe even the govt...
A thousand posts of solid content mostly too I should imagine.. and to what end Obs? Full circle ahead with the champion arse hair splitters of the world.
As for Ian.. he's entitled to his opinion as much as anyone else... he was totally twisted out of context with the lighthouse theory and yes, he has been on the receiving end of the poisonous end of the arrow. We need people like that. it reaffirms our reasons for doing what we do.. ufologists who go unchallenged and join the boyo's brigade have a complacent arrogance.
Yesterday I took Alfred Webber Lamont and Jose Escamilla to task for publishing an article and sending it in emails and PMs to thousands of people... that a black spot in front of the sun in an image taken by a new telesope/camera/christ knows what tech it is... Inconsequential for the point I'm making... They declared it was a ufo and that ufos are using the sun as a stargate to travel to other dimensions...
That is a huge assumption based on a tiny black spec on photographic imagery ..tech thats so new they hardly even know what it's capable of...! Very well known and respected (by themselves) 'researchers' that people believe speak the truth and that's wrong. If there is any science or other evidence to support this theory then it should be shown.. obviously there isn't any. I'm sick of the tenuously woven theories or the outrageous claims. The topic is hard enough to believe as it is without sensationalizing it.
I was told by a well meaning, really nice researcher not to say anything about this... You'll be an outcast.... GOOD!!! Rather be an outcast than a snake in the grass.. Goes to show though doesn't it? Don't disagree with them they'll turn on you en masse... Who the f**K are these people anyway? Who set the barometer.. why does the ufo subject need a hierarchy and class system? They've become politicians and no one trusts a politician... for the right reasons too.
Only problem, is, people are so sick of being lied to or shafted they look for those who speak the truth and have integrity and would never defaecate on anothers head to get to the top.. there is no top. If I'm shunned by the researchers, what does that matter? I'm not doing it for them...I've got sod all to lose.. no book deals, no conferences canceled, nothing to lose at all... If I get a reputation for speaking the truth.. even about how it is on the other side of the ufology wall... oooh dear wouldn't that be awful... you only have to read the messages I receive to know that people are drawn to those with a passion for what they do because they know it's all true. Half of the researchers I've met, behind closed doors... don't even believe in aliens!! so who they thinks flying them or why they bother is a mystery to me. There's a hell of a lot of bitching and gossiping about each other too. Please don't think that I'm saying this about all researchers, that's not the case. But there's a fraternity now.. you know who they are just by looking at them... write to them.. see if you get a reply... I have a few times in the past... no reply... Until they get wind of you again.. ooh you have a three witness account of a ufo landing.. can i be your new best friend? We should write a book about this....
Well.. No.. you didn't give a shit when my head fell off and I was on my arse.... I'll write my own thanks.
You should all answer this: What is the point of you? If you have to think about anything other than how you are going to construct the first sentence to get the ball rolling then forget it... Too many 'I's' and 'wants'.. forget it... Take up model building, better still, go do some valuable work for your local community and know it's the only decent selfless thing you've done. Witnesses have had enough of a rocky ride without them being fed hope because someone 'big' takes an interest in them..Maybe give them some answers, help them deal with it.. after all they're experts right? HAHA! as soon as they have their story, "forget you man... I'm outa here"... Not so much as a "bye!" or "Leave"... "kiss my butt"... nothing... "In a rush gotta be at the publishers by four!"
So we gather on forums and chat, to find each other and feel relieved not to be alone.. so then what happens? Forum Trolls who just can't help themselves.
Take care Obs
Isn't it a shame that the selfish actions and attitudes of a few people can totally destroy something good... You have to ask yourselves who the hell are these people driving everyone away from the forum hiding behind persona's. No need to ask who's side they're on... that's obvious. Their own... Maybe even the govt...
A thousand posts of solid content mostly too I should imagine.. and to what end Obs? Full circle ahead with the champion arse hair splitters of the world.
As for Ian.. he's entitled to his opinion as much as anyone else... he was totally twisted out of context with the lighthouse theory and yes, he has been on the receiving end of the poisonous end of the arrow. We need people like that. it reaffirms our reasons for doing what we do.. ufologists who go unchallenged and join the boyo's brigade have a complacent arrogance.
Yesterday I took Alfred Webber Lamont and Jose Escamilla to task for publishing an article and sending it in emails and PMs to thousands of people... that a black spot in front of the sun in an image taken by a new telesope/camera/christ knows what tech it is... Inconsequential for the point I'm making... They declared it was a ufo and that ufos are using the sun as a stargate to travel to other dimensions...
That is a huge assumption based on a tiny black spec on photographic imagery ..tech thats so new they hardly even know what it's capable of...! Very well known and respected (by themselves) 'researchers' that people believe speak the truth and that's wrong. If there is any science or other evidence to support this theory then it should be shown.. obviously there isn't any. I'm sick of the tenuously woven theories or the outrageous claims. The topic is hard enough to believe as it is without sensationalizing it.
I was told by a well meaning, really nice researcher not to say anything about this... You'll be an outcast.... GOOD!!! Rather be an outcast than a snake in the grass.. Goes to show though doesn't it? Don't disagree with them they'll turn on you en masse... Who the f**K are these people anyway? Who set the barometer.. why does the ufo subject need a hierarchy and class system? They've become politicians and no one trusts a politician... for the right reasons too.
Only problem, is, people are so sick of being lied to or shafted they look for those who speak the truth and have integrity and would never defaecate on anothers head to get to the top.. there is no top. If I'm shunned by the researchers, what does that matter? I'm not doing it for them...I've got sod all to lose.. no book deals, no conferences canceled, nothing to lose at all... If I get a reputation for speaking the truth.. even about how it is on the other side of the ufology wall... oooh dear wouldn't that be awful... you only have to read the messages I receive to know that people are drawn to those with a passion for what they do because they know it's all true. Half of the researchers I've met, behind closed doors... don't even believe in aliens!! so who they thinks flying them or why they bother is a mystery to me. There's a hell of a lot of bitching and gossiping about each other too. Please don't think that I'm saying this about all researchers, that's not the case. But there's a fraternity now.. you know who they are just by looking at them... write to them.. see if you get a reply... I have a few times in the past... no reply... Until they get wind of you again.. ooh you have a three witness account of a ufo landing.. can i be your new best friend? We should write a book about this....
Well.. No.. you didn't give a shit when my head fell off and I was on my arse.... I'll write my own thanks.
You should all answer this: What is the point of you? If you have to think about anything other than how you are going to construct the first sentence to get the ball rolling then forget it... Too many 'I's' and 'wants'.. forget it... Take up model building, better still, go do some valuable work for your local community and know it's the only decent selfless thing you've done. Witnesses have had enough of a rocky ride without them being fed hope because someone 'big' takes an interest in them..Maybe give them some answers, help them deal with it.. after all they're experts right? HAHA! as soon as they have their story, "forget you man... I'm outa here"... Not so much as a "bye!" or "Leave"... "kiss my butt"... nothing... "In a rush gotta be at the publishers by four!"
So we gather on forums and chat, to find each other and feel relieved not to be alone.. so then what happens? Forum Trolls who just can't help themselves.
Take care Obs
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Re: my theory
by Observer » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:37 pm
Sacha
Thanks for those kind words, as a last bit of input, go to some of my very early posts, you might just be surprised.
Cheers
Obs
Thanks for those kind words, as a last bit of input, go to some of my very early posts, you might just be surprised.
Cheers
Obs
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Re: my theory
by Vortex » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:23 pm
Hi all,
Once again, something has moved me enough to force me to step out of 'forum lurker' mode and post something on here...
All I can say is, what a shame that the state of affairs on this forum have become so dire. I echo the thoughts of Sacha and Obs 100%. This forum could be a potential stick of dynamite crammed up the collective behinds of those that want to keep us all in the dark about the truth (whatever that truth may be), but instead it's become a medium for pointless back-stabbing, point-scoring and personal attacks.
Where else can first-hand witnesses exchange thoughts, knowledge and opinions with researchers, truth-seekers or just regular people with a genuine interest in the case and with their own personal theories?
The first step to solving this mystery is UNITY.
Cheers
Vortex
Once again, something has moved me enough to force me to step out of 'forum lurker' mode and post something on here...
All I can say is, what a shame that the state of affairs on this forum have become so dire. I echo the thoughts of Sacha and Obs 100%. This forum could be a potential stick of dynamite crammed up the collective behinds of those that want to keep us all in the dark about the truth (whatever that truth may be), but instead it's become a medium for pointless back-stabbing, point-scoring and personal attacks.
Where else can first-hand witnesses exchange thoughts, knowledge and opinions with researchers, truth-seekers or just regular people with a genuine interest in the case and with their own personal theories?
The first step to solving this mystery is UNITY.
Cheers
Vortex
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Re: my theory
by Andrew Pike » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:12 pm
Well just had my say on another thread, think it was the Adrian Bustinza phone interview one, anyway, wherever it was.
Sad indeed Vortex, Sacha and all, but it doesn't actually take much to work out what is going on here, especially if you get the right PMs from members. I worked it out ages ago, even set a few traps in replies. Worked, confirmed my beliefs and hence I too have been a bit of a lurker here.
Another one bites the dust.
Oh, if you want an astronomer, there's Ian Ridpath, ask him because you sure were not interested in asking me. Seems it was a lighthouse. Great science Ian! Enough said, I'm off to my astronomy. Thank you and good night!
Sad indeed Vortex, Sacha and all, but it doesn't actually take much to work out what is going on here, especially if you get the right PMs from members. I worked it out ages ago, even set a few traps in replies. Worked, confirmed my beliefs and hence I too have been a bit of a lurker here.
Another one bites the dust.
Oh, if you want an astronomer, there's Ian Ridpath, ask him because you sure were not interested in asking me. Seems it was a lighthouse. Great science Ian! Enough said, I'm off to my astronomy. Thank you and good night!
No longer active in ufology or the RFI. I retired on 17 December 2010.
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Re: my theory
by Observer » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:31 pm
For those interested, Andrew Pike's files and report on the RFI has been recorded by Amazon.
amazon.com/rendlesham-file-britains roswell
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Re: my theory
by Sacha Christie » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:00 pm
Glad to see I'm not alone in my thinking.
Andrew you are absolutely right of course, I intimated as much above... It is fairly obvious really...
I highly recommend Andrews book, a very articulate, informative, wealth of information. Not one element of the event is left out, theories presented and backed up. Funny how certain books do so well and others don't even see the light of day... Your book and your opinions have been completely overlooked Andrew, i doubt many here will have read it.. they critique Left at East gate when they don't know the contents.. if they did then so many stupid questions wouldn't need to be asked over and over again.
I'm so bored of the know it all gang... There are no positive contributions from them just vitriolic bitch slaps. Why even bother, if that's how they validate themselves then they're beyond twisted and in my opinion not starting from a valid premise to base an opinion on.... all false premise starts.. on purpose, sets the other on the defensive.. then no ones right. No argument can be won when both parties start from a false premise, or assumption....It works so well and is a standard 'industry' tactic to create dissent and division between people who know more than is palatable for the demonocracy and who might just realize a truth if they had a CONVERSATION.....EVER.
My faith in people has been renewed this afternoon, Lets get troll bashing heheh
Andrew you are absolutely right of course, I intimated as much above... It is fairly obvious really...
I highly recommend Andrews book, a very articulate, informative, wealth of information. Not one element of the event is left out, theories presented and backed up. Funny how certain books do so well and others don't even see the light of day... Your book and your opinions have been completely overlooked Andrew, i doubt many here will have read it.. they critique Left at East gate when they don't know the contents.. if they did then so many stupid questions wouldn't need to be asked over and over again.
I'm so bored of the know it all gang... There are no positive contributions from them just vitriolic bitch slaps. Why even bother, if that's how they validate themselves then they're beyond twisted and in my opinion not starting from a valid premise to base an opinion on.... all false premise starts.. on purpose, sets the other on the defensive.. then no ones right. No argument can be won when both parties start from a false premise, or assumption....It works so well and is a standard 'industry' tactic to create dissent and division between people who know more than is palatable for the demonocracy and who might just realize a truth if they had a CONVERSATION.....EVER.
My faith in people has been renewed this afternoon, Lets get troll bashing heheh
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