For John Burroughs

[redsocks]

If that is the real John Burroughs cool,but who was ppulatie?I checked him out on the web and the only reference I could find was a posting on a fallen buddies website that stated he's dates at Bentwaters were 77-81 which is different to his first post dates.Also he only states that he was at Bentwaters in the USAF although he claims to be a master sergent,a rank that a one base and out lowly airmen would not hold,so not sure where thats going with him??also he got Warrens unit wrong.
Back to John Burroughs,there are so many indescresions in the events of that night with Halt and Penniston and maybe you are the guy to put things right.Can you explain about the Apollo capsule theory? is it possible you did indeed see something unsual on the first night and the second night is Halt BSing as he was only following the lighthouse?If you still believe you saw something unsual what catagory would you put it in;
1)Air crash/ maybe weapon accidently dropped.
2)alien/UFO
3)Airmen being tested with something
4)Apollo capsule
If you are genuine and want to put your case forward without interference from Halt and want to make the trip back to the UK and try and solve this mystery with help/ input from the group members suggestions that would be cool,lets do it you can even crash out at my place which is not to far from Rendlesham,but on the other hand if you are here to try and deflect some of our theorys and stay with the UFO gig that aint gonna work here.

Redsocks

[Wolf]

Hi John

Welcome, I hope you enjoy your visits and people don't give you too much of a hard time.

In one of his posts ppulatie used the term the 'Devil is in the Details'. Well if you take time to read Larrys book thoroughly you will notice that on page 452 Appendix 4 (Col Gordion Williams Change of Command Ceremony) there is a section titled 'Parking and Traffic Patrol'. Sgt Pulatie is the third name on the list. A1C Warren is the sixth.

The 81st SPS provided Security and Law Enforcement roles on the twinbases. This covered everything from traffic regulation enforcement to the security of vital national assets based on RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge (aircraft, weapons etc).

V/R

Wolf

[John Burroughs]

It is the real John Burroughs. I have no Idea who PPulate is. As far as it being a recovery of the Apollo capsule we would have know about it and there were no Helicopters in the air or anybody on duty those nights in Question. My feeling is it was a UFO unknow if it was alien or the military Us or British or both up to something. As I stated in my last post I would like to know more about that BBC Tv show you saw on the Military involment at orfordness. Halt did see and experience somthing strange I was out there with him and I saw the Blue lights in the sky flying around and beaming lights down into the storage area. And as far as staying with the UFO gig thats what it was a UFO a unidentified flying object. If I can get the money together I will be over this year and I would have no problem getting together with anyone who wanted to talk about Bentwaters.

[Deep Purple]

Great to hear from a key witness, cause we are confused as to what really happened and there has been so much speculation. We would love to see you here in the UK to talk over some Beers and have your input over this strange event, and you would be so welcome. Alternatively if any of us are out in the states can we see you? I love the States and ride my Harley every day ( Best bit of kit the US ever produced).
Great to have you stop by

[John Burroughs]

Deep Purple
Thanks, Anytime your going to be out in the Phoenix AZ area let me know.

[John Burroughs]

Sorry I was luckey enough to miss out on the phoenix light's

[ghaynes]

It is the real John Burroughs. I have no Idea who PPulate is. As far as it being a recovery of the Apollo capsule we would have know about it and there were no Helicopters in the air or anybody on duty those nights in Question. My feeling is it was a UFO unknow if it was alien or the military Us or British or both up to something. As I stated in my last post I would like to know more about that BBC Tv show you saw on the Military involment at orfordness. Halt did see and experience somthing strange I was out there with him and I saw the Blue lights in the sky flying around and beaming lights down into the storage area. And as far as staying with the UFO gig thats what it was a UFO a unidentified flying object. If I can get the money together I will be over this year and I would have no problem getting together with anyone who wanted to talk about Bentwaters.

Hi John,
Welcome to the forum. Next time you are in the UK, please feel free to come and visit us at the Bentwaters Cold War Museum. I have one query I'd like to raise regarding the 67th ARRS and the fact they you said they had no one on duty that night. The 67th's primary role was long-range rescue, so I was led to believe (by 67th personnel) that they were on duty 24/7?
Regards.

Graham

[John Burroughs]

ghaynes
Thanks the 67th was on call on weekends and base shut downs like holidays. And as I remember it was along time ago Col Halt tried towards the end of the 3rd nights incident to get them recalled through the command post but it was going to take to long.

[John Burroughs]

!st night was Penniston and myself Second night was never really talked about. Third night was Halt's and Warren's claimed involment.

[ghaynes]

ghaynes
Thanks the 67th was on call on weekends and base shut downs like holidays. And as I remember it was along time ago Col Halt tried towards the end of the 3rd nights incident to get them recalled through the command post but it was going to take to long.

Thanks for that John.
Regards.

Graham

[Wolf]

Hi John

What was your role within the 81st SPS, LE or SP?

V/R

Wolf

[John Burroughs]

Law Enforcement

[Wolf]

As LE I assume that access to the WSA and NMSA would have been very limited. If this is true did you ever see any signs of there being any underground entrances or was this something you heard about via a 3rd party.

Also when the SP's were split what was the Sqdns designation. Was there a DET associated with the Woodbridge based unit. Also did you have and dealings with the Heathens at the Roc?

V/R

Wolf

[John Burroughs]

NMSA we actully guarded at bentwaters and Woodbridge Thats why I got a good look at Woodbridge. The 81st became a group and I am not sure what the 2 squadrons were called at Bentwaters and Woodbrige. I had friends who got sent over there when this happened. There were underground tunnels expecially at Woodbridge I saw some entranes but never got to go down in them. Not sure what you met by the Heathens at Roc

[Wolf]

Thanks John

The 2164th CS at Martlesham. I understand that the 81st SP's secured that site also.

V/R

Wolf

[John Burroughs]

Where was that site at?

[Wolf]

Martlesham Heath, its about 10 miles from Bentwaters. There was a Tropospheric and Microwave communications centre there. Also an AUTOVON exchange.

[John Burroughs]

I remember hearing about that area but i was not aware that we had anything to do with it.

[Wolf]

I have a couple of contacts who are ex ammo guys (IYAAYAS). I'll contact them and see if they can provide any further gauge on the underground areas in the WSA's, but as far as I'm aware there were none at the twin bases. They were closed before the WS3 systems were introduced, so as far as I know there were no links to the NAPA's either.

I'll do some digging...

V/R

Wolf

[John Burroughs]

Sounds good!