Rendle Sham

[alive555]

Thanks all .

It was fun while it lasted.

The new name for this incident is not the "Rendlesham Incident" but alternatively the Rendle "Sham" incident

One thing the binary code proved was that it was all a hoax.

No one believes a single word of that pie in the sky cup cake of a story. I mean the whole event turned into a total embarrasment for all participants. I cant think what Halt would think about this .

It makes all of the so called witnesses look very bad indeed. I feel sorry if some of them genuinely thought they saw something but Penniston just blew the thing to pieces.

Nuked it good and proper. Total obliteration !

FYI - That "diary" was shown on the Larry King show if im not mistaken .

I remember someone opening the pages to show the viewers what was in it.

All those interviewees must have missed the pages of binary codes.

I wonder why ?

[ncf1]

page 107 of Glimpses of Other Realities vol II, on the 1994 hypnosis session :

"When Penniston placed his hands on the craft's raised symbols, he thinks he activated technology that sent light containing binary code communication into his mind".

I think John and Jim have done the best they can, and they've had a lot of guts putting what they have out there - there are a lot of people who keep their mouths shut about UFO's for being tarred with the mad brush, because you have to have thick skin to talk about it openly. Full credit to John and Jim, and Larry and Charles for doing what they have. There are a *lot* of people who keep their mouths shut about the whole UFO phenomenon for fear of ridicule, but these guys have put it out there, and done what they felt they had to, and I think it is brilliant.

This is the biggest and most important UFO case in history in my opinion and I think will, over time, become established as that but for now as the dust settles, its just so easy to shoot them down, impossibly easy.

[John Burroughs]

page 107 of Glimpses of Other Realities vol II, on the 1994 hypnosis session :

"When Penniston placed his hands on the craft's raised symbols, he thinks he activated technology that sent light containing binary code communication into his mind".

I think John and Jim have done the best they can, and they've had a lot of guts putting what they have out there - there are a lot of people who keep their mouths shut about UFO's for being tarred with the mad brush, because you have to have thick skin to talk about it openly. Full credit to John and Jim, and Larry and Charles for doing what they have. There are a *lot* of people who keep their mouths shut about the whole UFO phenomenon for fear of ridicule, but these guys have put it out there, and done what they felt they had to, and I think it is brilliant.

This is the biggest and most important UFO case in history in my opinion and I think will, over time, become established as that but for now as the dust settles, its just so easy to shoot them down, impossibly easy.

Thanks NCF1

A man does what he must - in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures - and that is the basis of all human morality.
Winston Churchill

[Open Mind Ed]

Who knows what is going on. It could all be dis-information to muddy the waters for something the US military do not want the world to know about.

I am fairly new to the fine details of this case but saw a documentary on the UK History channel which piqued my interest recently. I then found this site and having been listening to some of the podcasts and reading some of the documentation recommended on here. There is so much information ,and possibly dis-information, available that it is hard to get to the bottom of things. As one poster advised me as well if you listen to the skeptics you end up becoming a believer and think the other way if you listen to all the "believers".

It does appear to me that John Burroughs has hardly changed his story and seems to be the most reliable "high profile" witness in the case. Although he appears to have got frustrated with all the criticism recently on here. Still he has the right to defend his point of view I suppose.

I am afraid that this binary code story does seem a bit too far fetched. At least the History channel's view of it does. Why would an advanced civilization transmit binary codes that translate into English????? Of course those codes could well be something totally different. But why leave them for 30 years sitting in a notebook. It would be good to track down the CNN segment (or any other TV show) showing Jim's notebook and see if it looks the same as the one on the History channel

[Daniel]

Thanks for the post NCF1, do you own a copy of the book? If you do how much was written on the subject of the Binary Code? Don't think I really want to spend $60, on the book from earthfiles, to find nothing of interest.

[ncf1]

I'd be like John too. He's done all he possibly could, spent a lot of time explaining himself but it's a case of being a lamb to the slaughter with UFO's -- unless you've encountered it, you'll think its a load of utter nonsense as even he himself and Jim probably did. He's done what he can, he is as frustrated as hell, and he knows it's futile trying to explain something as utterly incredible as what he experienced and witnessed, as did many others. But at least he has had the integrity to stick to it for so long.

Yes I have the book, and it has Jim's hypnosis session. I will go through it again in the coming days but it clearly states the binary code, and the book has been out for ages.

[Open Mind Ed]

I'd be like John too. He's done all he possibly could, spent a lot of time explaining himself but it's a case of being a lamb to the slaughter with UFO's -- unless you've encountered it, you'll think its a load of utter nonsense as even he himself and Jim probably did. He's done what he can, he is as frustrated as hell, and he knows it's futile trying to explain something as utterly incredible as what he experienced and witnessed, as did many others. But at least he has had the integrity to stick to it for so long.

Yes I have the book, and it has Jim's hypnosis session. I will go through it again in the coming days but it clearly states the binary code, and the book has been out for ages.

Totally agree and I think I understand John's stance at the moment. To me his integrity is intact and has stuck to his story. Other witnesses are not so clear and things warp and shift. Many more have not gone on the record. The Rendlesham Forest incident happened. What it was though remains a mystery. Maybe one day the truth will become clearer. My fear is that it is moving further away.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Conduit - 1993

[AgentAppleseed]

In this world there are two kinds of people. Those with integrity and those without!


Rendlesham forest 25-26th December 1980.


Ive got so much B.S, I could tear myself a new one-Ignis Fatuus

[Ignis Fatuus]

How did that water cooler work out for you AA?
In the real World, somebody telling the ever evolving story of time travellers and telepathic messages, would buy themselves a week under observation in the bin.
But in your world, it's definitive proof.
Be careful of sharp edges.

[AgentAppleseed]

Awww! Whats wrong Fatuus, don’t like it, when the shoe is on the other foot?
What do you mean by water cooler anyway?

[Ignis Fatuus]

[AgentAppleseed]

Be careful of curved surfaces Fatuus, they might be balls!

Answer the question, what did you mean by "WATERCOOLER"?

[marantz]

OH I get it the "WATERCOOLER" !

LMFAO !! HAHA

[marantz]

In this world there are two kinds of people. Those with integrity and those without!
Rendlesham forest 25-26th December 1980.

WHEN integrity is gone, you can never repair a reputation. AA are these retired UFO witnesses your new GODS ? IF they all came forward tomorrow and confessed: "WE confess!!! It was the lighthouse - WE were fooled". IF. How would that make you feel brother ? WOULD you then renounce them as the BEAST ? Perhaps ?

[AgentAppleseed]

Dont try and understand marantz, youll only end up hurting yourself!

[Daniel]

Yes I have the book, and it has Jim's hypnosis session. I will go through it again in the coming days but it clearly states the binary code, and the book has been out for ages.

Thanks NCF1, the books index page on Amazon showed there was roughly 7 to 8 pages on the subject, but I'm guessing most of it may be the hypnosis text. I guess what I'm looking for is if she had seen the code in the notebook. Is your copy a first print (1998) or reprint (I think 2001)? I would loved to have seen the Binary sequence around this time since I was learning a bit of Boolean Algebra/Logic.

It would have been nice if Jim pointed to this book in his recent statement, but I guess with the current level of troll infestation he would be accused of trying to make money.

[Frank]

Some of you may wonder why people like Alive555 and others with just a little knowledge of IT immediately conclude that Jim’s binary code is a hoax.

Let me try to explain, and leave the final conclusion to you (I’m not going to participate in the discussions given their recent tone).

First of all, binary numbers are just that: numbers. Nothing special about them. The only reason they exist is because our computers are constructed with cheap electronics.

We, as humans, happen to have 10 symbols to express numbers (0..9), probably because we have 10 fingers. Our computers, however, are handicapped: They only have ‘two fingers’, simply because it is cheap to produce electronics that is based on two states (high or low voltage).

Because of the cheap electronics in computers, we are forced to use binary numbers for them. For the rest binary numbers are a nuisance because they tend to grow very rapidly in size. That is why we need a lot of memory in our computers to handle all these 0’s and 1’s. Further, binary numbers are almost impossible to read.

Jim’s binary message is simply a series of numbers. If we assume that each binary number in his message has 8 digits (they seem to be grouped in chunks of 8 ‘bits’), the message consists of 114 numbers in total:

69 88 80 76 79 82 65 84 73 79 78 79 71 72 85 77 65 78 73 84 89 54 108 217 193 137 129 129 169 145 129 201 161 145 169 153 …etc

Why is the message a series of numbers? And if it is, why use the awful binary form to convey them, why not simply convey the decimal numbers instead? It makes no sense at all.

Fact 1: Jim’s message is a just series of numbers. To convey a series of numbers, binary is probably the worst possible choice you can make (binary only exists because of the cheap electronics we use to build our computers).

So how do we get the final English message then?

Well, IT engineers made an agreement in the past on how to represent our alphabet and other printable characters with numbers. They simply agreed on a table that assigns printable symbols to numbers. This so-called ASCII table made it easier to interchange files with human readable text between computers. If we use this ASCII table to look up the characters belonging to the numbers in Jim’s message, we get the English text.

ASCII is only used to store and interchange human readable text files with our cheap-electronics based binary computers. Even if computers communicate among themselves ASCII is almost never used because it uses too much bandwidth and computing power.

Now why would someone pass an English message to a human being using numbers from an ASCII table, while this ASCII table is just a old international agreement to store and interchange text files on our cheap-electronics based computers? Why not convey the English message instead?

Even if computers communicate among themselves they almost never use ASCII!

Fact 2: We need to apply the ASCII translation table to arrive to the final English message. ASCII is both an illogical choice to communicate to a human and an illogical choice to communicate to a machine. ASCII is just an agreement to store and exchange text files on our cheap-electronics based computers.

Now add these facts:
Fact 3: Anyone who Googles a bit for binary codes would typically find ASCII tables and applications that convert text to ASCII codes, and would be able to construct a binary message with them.
Fact 4: The message contains nothing that indicates it comes from an advanced source, nothing a human could not possibly know or construct.
Fact 5: The coordinates exactly correspond to the Google Earth Woodbridge coordinates – a one in a million chance.
Fact 6: The message contains a common spelling error (COODINATES instead of COORDINATES).

To people who do not have any IT knowledge Jim’s binary message with ASCII codes may look very advanced and persuasive. In reality ASCII and binary only exist because of the way our computers are constructed and are silly ways to convey an English message to both a human and a machine.
The message itself contains nothing advanced, contains a common spelling error and even contains the Woodbridge coordinates given by Google Earth.

You may draw your own conclusions of course, and I have drawn mine: The title of Halt’s memo pretty much describes the first night: Unexplained lights. This is what John saw, what he remembers, and what the original witness statements say. And these lights will probably remain just that: Unexplained… Jim may have seen something mechanical but now has blown this case to smithereens.

[Daniel]

Don't think George Boole would be happy with you Frank . Binary can be seen as one of the simplest forms of communication that can be transmitted and translated in many different ways. It can also travel through a medium without the need for error correction and still reach its receiver with little or no data loss, but it all depends on distance of course. We use Binary logic everyday and so it doesn't solely exist for cheap electronics.

The only thing I don't get is why did Jim see binary and not some other form of information, such as letters, pictures or audio. Jim's brain was the translator, so the message should have been reconstructed automatically instead of displaying raw data. The only thing I can think of was that the message wasn't solely intended for him, but used as a message to other machines.

I can't see Google Earth coordinates (if they are coordinates) located at Woodbridge Town Hall as being a 'fact' right now, especially when the binary sequence could have been written around 1998/2001 or around the time of Jim's hypnotic regression, if there is any evidence of the date available. I must say if you're going to manipulate the results you're going to get exactly what you're looking for.

Thanks for the post Frank it was interesting to read.

The binary message no doubt reeks of disinformation and if the binary sequence was jotted down around the time of the incident I would have to say Jim must have been manipulated in some way during one of his debriefings. I just have so many questions in my mind that are for and against this whole topic.

[ncf1]

its a first print Daniel. I havent had time to read through it all yet but i have skimmed through it. The binary code is mentioned also on pages 100, Jim says what he feels the code is about on page 101, more talk on page 102 "I activated a binary code", also is mentioned on page 107 as i said.