48 TFW / Lakenheath

[Observer]

That's an interesting theory and we have on this forum looked at this possibility, probably in not as much detail as we should. If supposing for one moment that this was a psychological experiment/test, how was it done? What apparatus was used and who did it?
Thanks ST for bringing this to our attention.

Obs

[AdrianF]

Thanks for posting that ST, I found it interesting to hear his view on Rendlesham. He sounded quite confident about this explanation.

Why don't you ask them using the FOIA, you probably stand a better chance as a film maker than us lesser mortals. I suspect it will be like getting blood out of a stone but worth a try.

Obs, being a lesser mortal myself, I'm not sure I would have any influence over their decision to release documents. I believe that Chuck De Caros questions relating to the whereabouts of records on this case, have still gone unanswered after all this time. Which is pretty hard to believe.
On the chemical weapons accident theory that you and Puddle have put forward, I think it would be an idea to search through Suffolk County records looking for localised contamination, if you haven't already?

Adrian

[Observer]

Hi Adrian

I think puddle looked quite closely at the contamination angle especially around the forest area.
Trouble is, if there was any contamination its long gone.

Also there was no ban put on the public from walking in the forest which there would have been if there were 'dodgy' chemicals lying around. My mate went for a walk in the forest only 2 weeks after the event which is when he found the USAF issue torch fitted with a red filter. That alone proves there were USAF personnel in the forest.

One bit of evidence that points to a possible chem weapon accident was the patch of discoloured grass/crops in the field that Larry Warren mentioned. He was quite excited at the time that it was caused by the object he saw in the field. I put forward the possibility that the discoloured patch may have been from Hydrazine spillage. You can put your own interpretation on what it spilled from.

Obs

[Observer]

ST

That's probably what it was. If you go aloft in a light air plane, glider in my case, you will see endless patches and shapes of all sizes over the British landscape. Most of these were explained by the Time Team on TV as 'ancient sites'. where foundations once were. I think Larry's discoloured patch in the field is a bit of a red herring.

Obs

[pupil88]

Silvertop

The date of that recording ( as evidenced by the photo) predated Col. Halt’s two hour meeting in the DC area.with Vallee. I believe Vallee had revised his opinion on RTI.

Observer

Didn't you recognize this episode from TURN LEFT AT EAST GATE? You did read it didn’t you?

[pupil88]

Observer

The presuppositions involved ( your knowledge of aliens) are underwhelming and clueless.

If the United States revealed what it knows about UFOs to the peoples of the world,the effects on belief systems would cause a world wide collapse of economics and governments.

Wait a moment! Who let the cat out of the bag?

[Observer]

I thought so, it's UFOs that have caused the worlds banks to go belly up.

[puddlepirate]

I contacted Suffolk County Council some time ago. My enquiry was to ascertain whether or not any emergency plans had been activated in Dec 1980. Although they stated that no emergency plans for aircraft accidents had been activated, they did provide references to several documents held in their archives regarding emergency plans procedures. As yet I have not been able to get up to the Suffolk archives to take a look.

All County Councils have an Emergency Planning Unit whose role is to liaise with the emergency services and the local population whenever a major incident occurs (Herts County Council and the Buncefield fire is an example) therefore if the RFI posed any risk to the local population and provided Suffolk CC were notified, then an emergency plan should have been invoked - but given no UK forces, either civilian or military were involved in the RFI (other than a cursory inspection by the local police) then it is highly unlikely Suffolk CC was informed. Instead the incident was contained wholly within USAFE. Apparently MoD was not informed until two weeks afterwards and even then only by an informal memo to the RAF Liaison Officer - or so we are told.

Given the apparent scale of the incident, the fact that it occurred on UK sovereign territory and the fact that large numbers of USAF personnel had to go off base to attend the incident, this seems somewhat peculiar. Common courtesy to the host nation would require that MoD be notified immediately, or so one would have thought. That the RAF liaison officer was on leave is not a reason for failing to notify MoD - there must have been a procedure to cover situations arising when the primary contact was on leave or whatever.

I actually doubt that the RAF liaison officer was the primary contact for major incidents. Liaison Officer seems more likely to be an admin role not operational as such. I would have expected the primary contact to have been at either HQ18 Grp, Whitehall, High Wycombe or somewhere similar.

[Observer]

Puddle

Slightly connected to your last post. I wrote to the Hollesley Bay prison governor early last year asking him if his establishment had been notified for a standby EVAC any time over the Christmas period of 1980? I also asked him if this was true, who would have issued the notice?

The reply which came a week later was vague to say the least. It simply referred me to the Home Office Prisons Dept. saying that all records including the dates i mentioned are in the Home Office prisons archives with the usual, if i can be of any further help, please contact bla bla bla.

It would be good if any body knows some one that worked at the Hollesley Bay prison during that period and would they be willing to tell us, but that's provided they know or are allowed to say.
I believe Andy who is a forum member and lives in the area mentioned some thing about this a long time ago, but i have forgotten.

Obs

[puddlepirate]

I think it was Andy who mentioned seeing - or someone he knew well seeing - an area of the forest cordoned off and guarded by the USAF. Apparently, this could either be seen from the upper floors of where he worked or by driving past the part of the forest in question. I think it was Andy who also mentioned parts of the forest floor within the cordoned off area, having signs of scorching. Apologies to Andy if I've got this wrong but perhaps if he reads this he could correct me and provide an accurate account (having said that, if indeed it was Andy, then it's probably amongst his posts somewhere).

[Observer]

Puddle
Thanks, i do remember that, but i have a vague memory of some one on the forum possibly Andy who knew a member of staff at the prison.
Now that you have mentioned 'Andy's' observations of the cordoned off area and scorch marks, does re kindle certain theories for me.

I shall PM Andy.

Obs