BBC Suffolk's special programme (17 Dec. 2010)

[Admin]

There is an MP3 file floating around somewhere, I'll see if I can find it for you.

[Daniel]

I'm uploading one now to one of these file upload sites, but if Admin can find a link then that's cool too. What I have is 66MB in size.

Here you go:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ME93RV8W

[Admin]

Thanks for that, Daniel.

Here's another I found. Looks like you can stream it as opposed to having to download the entire file:
http://www.4shared.com/audio/FyvjfvNk/Rendlesham_Revealed_-_17_12_20.html

[karlfoley]

Thanks very much - Here's another:
http://rapidshare.com/files/439677768/R ... 2_2010.mp3

I wish I could come tonight but I can't get a response on if there are any tickets left.

[Admin]

I wish I could come tonight but I can't get a response on if there are any tickets left.

Maybe you could still attend the forest visit after the conference? Have you tried Gordy's phone numbers?

Questions call 07811 021230 or 01473 210726 sorry I cannot take orders over the phone. We have a maximum of 350 seats.

[U Gotta laf]

Hmmm ....... How do I greet you all without being too sarcastic ?

It seems to me, having read all the posts here, that I am the only one that believes something extremely serious happened that Xmas time, something so serious that several court-martial's resulted.
Yes, you know what I am getting at - the truth.

So first of all,
Larry, you've had your bit of fun, now pack it in will you ? I am getting rather tired of your silly attempt at making the British look stupid. OK, I know you are probably under orders to go along with this UFO hoax, but it just won't work anymore.

Radiation readings, laser lights over nuclear weapon storage areas (and with a smattering of magic dust to disable them no less), lighthouse lights being responsible, and ......... Brenda Butler Unfortunately, only dear old Brenda is for real and what the British and US governments have unintentionally done to Brenda should make them really ashamed of themselves.

I went to the meeting at Woodbridge last Dec 28 just to see how many people have been sucked in to this cover-incident, sure there were others like me, there were others there for a laugh, some open minded, but unfortunately the rest were people like you lot - having a closed mind and on there having to be something to do with Aliens. Excuse me, knock knock, can you come back down to earth please.
I won't waste time in writing much more as first I had to read all this, shall we say, entertainment, then register to write this, but why is it that you feel able to dismiss a very well documented statement from the old boy (now passed away) who clearly saw AND HEARD a Jolly Green Giant with a dummy BP Apollo capsule (although he never knew this) crash into the landing lights next to Folly Cottage where he lived ?

Instead you are more than ready to accept this ridiculous cover story hinting at Aliens with all the "facts" coming from US personnel themselves.

After the accident, the module/capsule would be swinging wildly, probably leaving the capsule sitting awkwardly in its cradle (with 3 legs whose dimensions exactly match those "rabbit" holes) so the practical joke had to be aborted with the swinging capsule being dumped as quickly as possible (the helicopter was now unstable) hence the broken branches high up in the trees when the capsule was released.

Notice the emphasis given to the red and blue lights, - I worked as a British civilian on Bentwaters, Woodbridge and Lakenheath about 5 years before this accident and even then the USAF police had red and blue flashing lights fitted to their cars. So yes, a bright white beam (from the helicopter - I've seen it and it's very powerful - it has to be for rescue) was true, the flashing red and blue lights was true, broken branches were true and cone shaped "UFO" were true.

Sorry, but these are the simple facts guy's and gal's,

Nite, nite.

[Gordy]

Re above post by U gotta laf.

John Lydon wrote in his book "No Blacks, no Irish no Dogs" "Some........People.....Just.......Do......Not......Get.........It".

He was referring to Malcolm McClaren and more especially Vivienne Westwood. Although they were key players in the punk scene, they simply did not get "it"

"Some........People.....Just.......Do......Not......Get.........It".

Go figure.

[U Gotta laf]

What precisely is it you want me to figure out, that I haven't already figured out Mr UFO expert ?
Remember you are talking to somebody who worked at the twin bases and at Lakenheath for a 2 year contract which involved regularly taking the short cut or back route through East gate to get from A 2 B.
I am also a naturalist who spent many years studying in Rendlesham Forest and still do, and still live locally.

I am not prepared to say the precise dates I worked at the bases nor am I prepared to say what my contract was for - but that is for personal reasons and not security. Like other contractors, I initially approached the Public Services Agency (PSA) situated in a portacabin at the Bentwaters south gate and then was led onto the base (Bentwaters) to be photographed and given a "Department of Defence" ID card.

This I used used on a regular basis after work to attend "as a guest" the various functions on base, but usually entailed having a couple of Mikolobes (OK - I forget how that's spelt) and one of their fantastic pizzas with extra cheese freshly cooked in the oven. Like anybody else, US personnel tend to say too much in the bars once they have alcohol inside them, so I'm pretty clued up on the type of practical jokes each unit play upon each other. I was also told more than I should have been told about the shooting down of the HC 130 Herculese by the 2 F4's which took off from Bentwaters (or was it Woodbridge - memory loss).

So I'm waiting Mr Gordy, what is it you would like me to figure out ?

[Gordy]

Plain and simple. You were there at the 30th anniversary conference, you heard from eye witnesses, you listened to Linda's speech, 17 military eyewitnesses have so far gone on record to report what they saw. Now answer this: does any of their statements look like a Apollo Capsule swinging from a helicopter? or a lighthouse, or a Police Car. Go read Larry's "Hart of the matter thread", do you really think a grown man would take his life after seeing something swinging from a helicopter?. Don't you think highly trained Air Force personel cannot tell the difference between a helicopter, a lighthouse, a police car and what they all reported that they saw.

Like I said "Some........People.....Just.......Do......Not......Get.........It".

The fact I have to explain it......says it all.

BTW. PSA stands for Property Services Agency. I worked for them on BW.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Gordy
Now answer this: does any of their statements look like a Apollo Capsule swinging from a helicopter? or a lighthouse, or a Police Car.

To be fair, a sizable chunk of the statements from N1 were as it turned out, the Lighthouse and Farmhouse.

Gordy
Go read Larry's "Hart of the matter thread", do you really think a grown man would take his life after seeing something swinging from a helicopter?

Is that true? If so..how long after?

[U Gotta laf]

Oh dear Gordy, is that really the best you can come up with ?

So all your facts come from eye witnesses and military personnel ......... um, what nationality were they, not American by any chance ?

Now regarding Jim Penniston and John Burrows, seems the little green men had so much effect on them that they had to take a CIA truth drug (same thing for lethal injections by the way) to discover the 'truth' but it apparently left them even more confused, hmmmmmm...... very handy get out clause if you ask me, but then again, they are military personnel on a damage limitation exercise.

Must admit, they didn't come over very confused to me, seemed more like hand picked, very highly trained and well briefed intelligent men - the sort of people the USAF would pick to cover up the mess they have got into.
Strange you don't want to drop this silly lighthouse talk especially when it was the military that first put this possibility out to public scrutiny (as a way of making us think they are 'open minded' about this 'mysterious incident')
The only British witness to what really happened (on the first night when the crash took place) is the old boy in Folly Cottage. Do you have something against English people as you seem to have great trouble believing a rational explanation, instead you prefer to believe unfounded and fabricated stories from the military.

Best you nip round to Brenda's pronto for a cuppa, she will tell you a good story. Just don't ask how she got the 3 claws on her hand.

Oh, you were correct with PROPERTY services agency - I'm not perfect like you.

[Gordy]

Someones tired.

[Ignis Fatuus]

...but fun to read.
Do you know if anybody was in the module?...I mean...if it happened. The best part of the gag would be the hatch opening and somebody climbing out wouldn't it?
Were the local bases equiped to handle serious injuries? If not where would they go? Did/would the Americans evac wounded to the LRMC via Ramstein in 1980?

But
Why would there be a need to circulate a cover story for something nobody was talking about? Wouldn't the best cover story be no story at all?
JB & JP must be on good wedge for accepting the lifetime assignment of taking grief from skeptics and cranks for somebody elses f@#k-up.

Funny how many of those trails in the forest lead back to Brendalsham Cottage.
All those USAF servicemen, Brenda was far keen for UFO stories eh.

[U Gotta laf]

Hello Ignis,

I won't talk too loudly for fear of waking up Gordy - seems he's had a hard day chasing 'greys' (that's squirrels right ?) in the forest.
Right, down to business.
I have absolutely no idea if anybody was daft enough to actually be sitting inside the module. The Apollo program was complete by this time and most of the practice modules would have gone to various museums across the States, but for some reason BP 7 - the designated number given to this one based at Woodbridge, was kept in storage so maybe they no longer had a key for it or the thing was no longer in working condition.
By that, I'm sure you will understand these were exact replicas of the real thing - they had to be as they were dropped into the sea and the 67th ARRS based at Woodbridge had to go out and find it and retrieve it and at night, so flares, strobes and beacons would all have been fitted. There could even had been dummies inside which had to be 'rescued' in the exercises.

I am sure you will also know the main purpose for the ARRS units was to rescue the crew of downed planes, but the 67th had the additional role of rescuing the Apollo crew if they had to make an unscheduled re-entry which meant they would have to splash down off the English Coast somewhere. The Jolly Green Giant was the only helicopter that could do air to air refuelling at the time.

Ever since the RAF was created it is well known that different bases would play practical jokes on each other, even to the extent of pinching a plane from a rival base and taking it back to home base. (and this is how the Israeli Air Force came into being - they stole planes and landed in newly created Israel)
The Yanks were no different, except on this occasion we are talking about millions of pounds worth of equipement - not inexpensive bi-planes.

If you draw a straight line from RAF Woodbridge to RAF Bentwaters you will notice Folly Cottage and the landing lights are on that line more or less, so it is safe to assume the helicopter was heading for Bentwaters flying as low as possible maybe to avoid Bentwaters radar, and this is why we had this embarrassing prang up.

In all probability the MOD were laughing their heads off as the Yanks were responsible for looking after and maintaining the landing lights, but I guess by the following day they all knew the implications as they could easily have had to abort the module over the B 1084 Melton to Orford road thus putting British lives at risk - a big NO NO ! The helicopter could also have lost control and crashed into Folly Cottage, or worse from my point of view, it could have come down the other side of the road in Staverton Park and if burning could have destroyed the finest ancient Oak woodland in all of Europe.

So why was the helicopter carrying the module (and most so called witnesses agree it was a small triangular object - they couldn't lie because they never knew if any natives were walking in the forest at the time and saw it too) the Yanks sense of humour is different to ours, so we may never know.
From the USAF viewpoint this was total incompetence and very embarrassing.
They were aware the old boy in Folly Cottage saw what happened so the Yanks had to come up with a story to discredit his soon to be leaked version of events.
THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT THE YANKS WOULD HAVE HAD NO IDEA IF ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BRITISH PUBLIC SAW WHAT HAPPENED, so the 'witnesses' they produced were all told to say the object was indeed small and triangular in shape, that red and blue flashing lights were seen (in reality, the USAF police cars) there WAS a powerful white light shining down (in reality, the helicopter searchlight) but naturally they were all told to say they heard no helicopter.

Do you remember the male member of the audience who came forward at the meeting on Dec 28 demanding to know why he was stopped at a road block by a US police car with red and blue flashing lights on the night in question. He said the police only told him there "had been an incident" He received no satisfactory answer from the panel on the stage. Those at the back may not have heard him because he never waited for the microphone to be passed to him, but I was sat at the front. So at least we know from an independent source that there WAS USAF police activity in the Forest that night. Why they would want to draw attention to themselves is a different matter, but I think we'd all love to ride around in a police car with lights flashing if we're honest.

Yes, I guess JB & JP must be getting paid something as they are trying to restore the Air Force reputation, and so far they seem to be doing a damn good job, but we ain't all suckers.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are getting at with your final 2 sentences.

Anyway, thanks for your attention all.

Pleasant dreams.

[AdrianF]

I have no problem accepting that this did happen around the time and could have contributed to some of the UFO tales over the years. Brenda has recounted this story and it may well have happened. But we went over this a couple of years back on this forum and there are a number of gaping holes in this being the theory that explains the RFI. No.1 being, why would they airlift the apollo capsule with the display stand and how would it have stayed attached?

[U Gotta laf]

Hi Adrian,
You'll have to forgive me as I have joined this forum rather late in the day and am yet to read every single post on the subject, but am horrified to learn Brenda has been touting this idea around (if I understand you correctly) as the logical and the ridiculous just do not mix.

You mention this was discussed some time ago and gaping holes were revealed in this theory but if this (Apollo with display stand) is the No 1 biggest 'hole', then I'm wondering how seriously this theory was discussed.
I have been scouring the internet for photos of the capsule sitting in the cradle without success, but I have always been under the impression that the cradle was for transporting the module rather than displaying it.

My sincere apologies if I am wrong, but if I am right, then surely there must be a lifting loop' incorporated in the cradle for a hook to be attached so that the whole unit can be airlifted, likewise a gap underneath so that a heavy fork lift truck can lift the combination if preferred.

Has anybody actually seen the cradle and can confirm whether it had a hook attachment or not ? The awkward point is that reports say that the cradle had 3 legs and that the dimensions fit exactly the 3 "rabbit" holes seen at the crash site. I believe this is extremely significant and cannot be easily brushed under the carpet.

Where you do have a valid point, is if this was a practical joke to be played out on their comrades at Bentwaters, then were they planning to leave this on the runway to give the impression it had crashed landed there ? And if so, why take the cradle ? I cannot come up with an answer for that, but then we do not know for sure what the whole exercise was in aid of - assuming of course a Jolly Green Giant was lifting the Apollo capsule that night in the first place, but I believe it did.

From the old posts I have caught up with it seems both Larry and Gordy agree on the same theory or along the same lines as each other, but I have been unable to ascertain what their theory is.
But if it is along the lines of something to do with Aliens, why believe in a purely fanciful explanation rather than a sound (well, with a few bullet holes) down to earth, logical explanation ?

[AdrianF]

I have been scouring the internet for photos of the capsule sitting in the cradle without success, but I have always been under the impression that the cradle was for transporting the module rather than displaying it.

They're are plenty of shots of boilerplates being airlifted around, so I presume that this is the way it would have been done at Woodbridge eg


I think this was the one the ARRS had..



Brenda did relate this story to me, an old couple that lived nearby, saw a helicopter with what looked like a ufo dangling from it. So probably the boilerplate. However, we don't know for sure the exact date.

[John Burroughs]

I have been scouring the internet for photos of the capsule sitting in the cradle without success, but I have always been under the impression that the cradle was for transporting the module rather than displaying it.

They're are plenty of shots of boilerplates being airlifted around, so I presume that this is the way it would have been done at Woodbridge eg


I think this was the one the ARRS had..



Brenda did relate this story to me, an old couple that lived nearby, saw a helicopter with what looked like a ufo dangling from it. So probably the boilerplate. However, we don't know for sure the exact date.

If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.
Albert Einstein

[U Gotta laf]

I don't think I can be accused of changing facts - I was simply stating that I have been unable to find photographs on the internet of the cradle. I had visions of it being some sort of large base plate with 3 moving arms which wrap themselves around the capsule to keep it in position and that the arms would be padded with rubber to protect the capsule from being scratched. What else can a 'cradle' be ?

Surely on the real thing, wouldn't this metal loop affect the aerodynamics, take up valuable room, or even be subjected to tremendous heat (even though it doesn't face the re entry decent) ?

Anyway, if the cradle is whatever the capsule in the bottom photograph is sitting on, then I am obviously wrong in my assumptions, but the stories of ET's in all this still have to be laughed at - although reading some of Brenda's ridiculous story's and claims does make me want to look at her more deeply (for 'sign's' !) next time I see her in Leiston.

[Gordy]

This is a photo from the EADT Saturday 18 December 2010. I Guess this must be the actual one that was WB. According to a guest on the BBC Rendlesham Revealed 2hr special, this object still exists but the feet have been removed. Can't remember where it is but it is on an air base in the USA.