debunking by norio hajakawa
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Norio Hayakawa
THE PHOENIX LIGHTS…..LAYING TO REST THE MYTH Read this excellent item: http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/azconc.htm THE PHOENIX LIGHTS…..LAYING TO REST THE MYTH Read this excellent item: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1052504/pg1
Posted 20140127
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James Clarkson SO, do you have a response for the former Governor of Arizona's assessment, seeing how he was a former fighter pilot? http://www.cnn.com/.../09/simington.ufocommentary/index.html
Symington: I saw a UFO in the Arizona sky - CNN.com In 1997, during my second term as governor of… CNN.COM|PAR BY FIFE SYMINGTON SPECIAL TO CNN 27 janvier, 05:44 · J’aime · 1
Norio Hayakawa There is no credibility in Symington. 27 janvier, 05:47 · J’aime
Nikolaos Balaskas As there is a military response whenever unknown objects, including UFOs, enter our airspace, the military activity (eg. strange moving lights in the night sky) can sometimes be confused for the unknowns or UFOs. Just because there was military activity present at the same time where many independent and credible UFO sighting reports were made is not a good reason to totally dismiss a major UFO incident such as the Phoenix Lights as misidentification, mass confusion, myth or an outright hoax. Of course there are also those who profit by writing books or going on lecture tours and others whose job is damage control by spreading disinformation that further muddy the waters… 27 janvier, 06:21 · J’aime · 2
Dizozo Lightton useless , you want us to believe what you know 27 janvier, 06:49 · J’aime
Laurent Chabin The article misses the point of the hard problem. The experience. The little example given, for illusory contours is one light year away from explaining the highly structured things seen. This baby error is the rule in the field. The cognition of perception needs more research. It is extremely complex. Can't be summarized like that. 27 janvier, 10:11 · J’aime · 1
Dizozo Lightton I agree with you when you say the baby error is the rule in field, I guess the rule is used by military only to suppress the information 27 janvier, 10:17 · J’aime · 1
Doug GypsyKing Curle i am afraid Norio has become a disinfo agent…… 27 janvier, 10:17 · J’aime · 1
Morgan Beall Norio Hayakawa I would agree about the lights at around 10pm that night being that of the flares dropped by the 175th, my father just retired before the event and he was the commanding officer of that squadron. It was a media frenzy according to the pilots and they dos have to drop their incendiaries before returning to the base. Bruce Maccabee did a great analysis http://brumac.8k.com/phoenixlights1.html that said I do not agree with the assessment about the events prior. The actual sighting that actually started the buzz happens much earlier about 2 Hours prior. The remainder of the analysis was assumptive and unscientific. Used the analysis of the later lights as a anchor to support the hypothesis rather than basing it off witness testimony and a few unresponsive eye witnesses, which was a challenge in it self it seemed. Tell us why Symington is not credible, remember just like you preach, no blanket statements without supportive evidence of your claim.
Dr. Bruce Maccabee Research Website (NOTE: the following analysis of March 13, 1997 sightings over Phoenix refers to the sightings by a few… BRUMAC.8K.COM 27 janvier, 13:36 · J’aime · 4
Curt Collins The video shot by Terry Proctor of the earlier event should put to rest the notion that it was a single gigantic craft, at least. See page 12 of http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/SUNlite2_3.pdf Photo de Curt Collins. 27 janvier, 14:30 · J’aime · 2
Lynne Dumin Kitei Disconcerting - and a bit absurd - that 18 yrs later & a plethora of credible data to the contrary - others are still trying to discredit & debunk the cryptic 3.13.97 mass sightings - with no definitive hard evidence of what the silent, mile wide V CRAFT & ORB arrays that over 10,000 witnessed glide right above their head (at roof top level) throughout AZ and over NV, NM, & CA for over a DOZEN hours on March 13, as well as weeks before might have been. Let alone the fact that the ONLY “official” explanation was military flares (which may have been deployed as a diversion from the True Unknowns), but when 3 ANG units “tried” to re-enact the Phoenix Lights on March 7, 2000, they FAILED miserably.https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84838260…
Channel 3 - Phoenix Lights Military Flare Re-enactment Fails CNN report featuring Dr. Kitei and the March 2000… YOUTUBE.COM 27 janvier, 16:47 · Modifié · J’aime · 5
Lynne Dumin Kitei To date, the Phoenix Lights have yet to be explained or re-created - and yet they continue to appear Worldwide. And if you actually look at the data, which speaks for itself, they have been with us for Centuries. That being said, focusing ONLY on March 13, 1997 (which the debunkers continue to do) is missing the full picture. These anomalous aerial phenomena were gracing our skies for weeks (even years) before the mass Events & since, including a close encounter that I witnessed & photographed (35mm) 2 yrs. before. My photo evidence has been extensively anlayzed & authenticated by University & Miltiary optical experts, (including Navy Optical Physicist, Dr. Bruce Maccabee) & confirmed as True Unknowns. http://www.thephoenixlights.net/Photos.htm The main reasons I came forward - after 7 yrs. of anonymity, while meticulously researching the Topic after the mass Events - was to set the record straight & share the data, so others can make up their own minds. But alas, one has to actually look at it.
Photos THEPHOENIXLIGHTS.NET 27 janvier, 16:12 · Modifié · J’aime · 5
Curt Collins It sure is an interesting case to study, as is how the story itself spread. The USA Today coverage seemed to really change things, with new witnesses coming out of the woodwork. 27 janvier, 16:04 · J’aime · 1
Lynne Dumin Kitei Right you are Curt. The June 18, 1997 USA TODAY article opened up our mass sighting to international scrutiny. After months of NO investigation or explanation by the Govt. or Military, we were deluged by Media from all over the globe. Once they spoke with the witnesses themselves, they too were asking why there wasn't an investigation. Then suddenly on June 19, the very morning AFTER the article, our former Gov. Symington announced an unscheduled Press Conference where he marched out one of his Aides in a huge alien head costume - making a mockery of the Events. Hmmm… 27 janvier, 16:20 · J’aime · 1
Lynne Dumin Kitei Also keep in mind that there is a detailed, recorded report by a Luke AF Crewman to the Nat. UFO Reporting Center at 3 am on 3.14.97 that military jets were sent to intercept & get gun camera film of a mile wide craft hovering over Central Phoenix & when they approached the lights dimmed & then the craft disappeared, freaking the pilots. Luke AF Base then went on lock down! There were also witnesses who saw the ORBS detach from the Craft, go out into the environment & then re-dock with it, as well as others who watched the silent low gliding Craft take off at blink speed, without even dispersing the air. Incredible technology to be sure, whatever it was. 27 janvier, 16:51 · Modifié · J’aime · 3
Lynne Dumin Kitei And concerning the silent, mile wide “parade” of CRAFT that was reported by thousands, after a 12 yr., intensive investigation into hundreds of reports from the Nat. UFO Reporting Center, AZ MUFON, former Vice Mayor Frances Barwood & the local clearing house, Village Labs, it was concluded that there were actually 9-10 DIFFERENT craft described. Whether it was one craft that could morph, the perspcetive from where the person was standing or a parade of varied craft (which the investigators concluded), we may never know. What we do know is that something extra-ordinary DID traverse the Southwest on 3.13.97. http://www.thephoenixlights.net/GAP.htm
GAP - Geospatial Animation Project THEPHOENIXLIGHTS.NET 27 janvier, 16:21 · J’aime · 3
Lynne Dumin Kitei With respect for Norio & the author of the article, as an up close & personal Key Witness to the Phoenix Lights, who has pushed my own accomplished Medical Career aside for 18 yrs., searching meticulously for a logical explanation to what I saw & photographed, I have yet to find one. Rumors, debunking & here-say abound. But the biggest truth is that we need to get this Topic out in the open - address it, accept it & study it - so we can find out who's driving these things, as well as move forward in our own evolution. Don't you think? 27 janvier, 23:04 · Modifié · J’aime · 2
Ryan Washington Looks like Norio has been debunked again. Nice try Norio but once again you failed miserably in your attempt to debunk the Phoenix UFO event. 27 janvier, 22:54 · Modifié · J’aime · 4
Ryan Washington Why Norio do you keep trying when you keep failing over and over again. 27 janvier, 22:55 · J’aime · 2
Morgan Beall Curt Collins I agree with what is said on page 12 indeed but it is still based on one and 1/2 witness testimony and states the obvious. What I am looking for is analytical assessment proving flights occurred and tracking commuter aircraft and overlaying this with that of all the witness testimonies. Most of this article is opinions based on facts but not all the facts. That area is very busy with air traffic all the time. So if there is a unusual aircraft or unknown that goes through a busy location does that make it a identified air craft? That hypothesis needs to be tested with all the witness testimonies independently. To date the only fully scientific assessment I have read was Bruce Maccabee 's paper on the video shot at 10pm. If Symington and other witnesses describing a similar situation are not credible then why? When asked many saw the solid object. Why is this ignored or not put to the test. I would also ask Lynne to verify her sources with the military witnesses. So far these pieces of evidence have been unverifiable independently. It's typically a author claiming to have “exclusive” access to witnesses. If a witness is not able to provide some other evidence other than their testimony and are not willing to go public you are simply stuck with anecdotal, limited and likely unreliable evidence. Optical analysis of digital or even a retail 35mm camera is also unorthodox and will likely have some analytical error. A full spectrum analyzer needs to be used during a sighting to truly assess the spectrums. Digital video is even worse because it is synthesized imagery not true imagery. Just my opinion based on conversations with experts in these perspective fields. It is a interesting sighting. Let's hope all involved in the beginning of the next big sighting make less mistakes. It's hard to return to something that has happened this long ago and get accurate data both measurements and information. 27 janvier, 23:10 · J’aime · 2
Ryan Washington Debunking Norio Hayakawa's silly claims about the Phoenix UFO flyover of 1997. Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR9yfG9uHOE
New Info About The Phoenix Lights ,17 Years After The Incident New Info About The Phoenix Lights. The new… YOUTUBE.COM 27 janvier, 23:14 · J’aime · 3
Morgan Beall His claims are not silly Ryan. As you can see we all disagree to a degree. We have to test those hypotheses not through media articles or witness claims. We have to prove them. Test it by providing some support of your claim and we will have some fun 27 janvier, 23:38 · J’aime · 1
Lynne Dumin Kitei Morgan Beall, there is MUCH MORE to the enigmatic Phoenix Lights story! If you want details to your questions, best to check out my Book, which was a 750 pg. Journal, condense to 270 pgs. of the most compelling, credible info I discovered, documented on film & compiled over 7 years. As a Scientist, Physician & Educator (for over 40 yrs) & Experiencer, finally came forward in 2004. It has continued to evolve. The latest edition is available FREE at Libraries or the best discount is at Amazon & KIndle. http://www.amazon.com/The-Phoenix-Lights.../dp/1571746323
The Phoenix Lights: A Skeptics Discovery that We Are Not Alone On March 13, 1997 something extra-ordinary… AMAZON.COM Hier, à 00:02 · Modifié · J’aime · 1
Lynne Dumin Kitei This has been an 18 year long, true grass-roots effort to unveil the truth & share it with the public, including the internationally award winning Phoenix Lights Documentary, which reveals only the tip of the intriguing iceberg. Non-the-less, it is powerful hearing from the witnesses, experts, military, pilots, Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, a 911 Phx Police Operator on duty that night & even the former AZ Gov. Symington, who came forward 10 years later to disclosure that he actually witnessed a Craft & that it was “Otherworldly”. 27 janvier, 23:47 · J’aime · 1
Lynne Dumin Kitei The acclaimed Film is offered FREE on HULU & Youtube. And the DVD has BONUS FEATURES, including Astronaut Ed Mitchell's take on the UFO Cover-up, riveting“Coincidences” on March 13, 1997 & a pliot/witness confirmation that the Phoenix Lights were definitely NOT flares! http://www.amazon.com/.../B000X.../ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1…
The Phoenix Lights … We Are Not Alone Documentary Enregistrer AMAZON.COM 27 janvier, 23:49 · J’aime · 2
Scott Mendoza Do we really need it spelled out like that jus trust your gut thats the best bar measuring stick there is trust your judgement . At least I know with out a doubt and always have .. its interesting to here peoples account of this idea and try to manipulate it to match there idea of the matter Hier, à 00:07 · J’aime
Fran Broussard-McDonald I enjoy Norio Hayakawa posts. He really does try his very best. Hier, à 01:27 · J’aime
Norio Hayakawa http://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/destroying-the-1997-phoenix-lights-ufo-case.7839/
Destroying the 1997 Phoenix Lights UFO case | The Paracast Community Forums The latter half of this may have been posted here… THEPARACAST.COM Hier, à 03:08 · J’aime
Doug GypsyKing Curle face it you have lost this one as usual, Norio Hayakawa Hier, à 03:10 · J’aime · 3
Ryan Washington ENJOY THIS READ NORIO! http://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/ufo-debunkers-irrational-uninformed-and-ignorant.10140/#post-129794
UFO Debunkers: Irrational, Uninformed and Ignorant | The Paracast Community… THEPARACAST.COM|PAR MAKING THE IMPOSSIBLE, INC. Hier, à 03:16 · Modifié · J’aime · 3
James Clarkson And some of them are “just doing their jobs,” if you know what I mean. Hier, à 03:18 · J’aime · 2
Norio Hayakawa Ryan, as I stated, I am not a debunker of anything. I have never called anyone crazy or wacko or stupid. Because I love people and accept people as they are, despite some differences in world-views or perspective on things. I try my best to be skeptical. Even though I remain rather skeptical about the ET hypothesis of the origins of the UFO phenomena, I have always been (and continue to be) open. It is said that roughly about 95% of all UFO sightings are natural phenomena and/or man-made artifacts and that there are 5% that continue to be regarded as “unknowns”. It is my feeling that eventually most of those 5% unknowns will be prosaically explained if serious studies are focused on them. But I am not a total skeptic. I keep an open mind. I give about 2.5% chance for the extraterrestrial visitation hypothesis. Out of that 2.5% I give only about 1% for actual physical visitations with physical ET craft. (that makes it 1.5% chance that the visitations are not physical but rather ultra-dimensional visitations, temporarily breaking the barrier of our physical dimension, if you will). Therefore, I could really describe myself as 99% skeptic for physical ETH Hier, à 07:30 · J’aime · 3
Warren Naujalis No debunker will ever convince me that the 8:30 sightings were airplanes in formation. It's just a ridiculous irrational explanation. Hier, à 14:29 · J’aime · 3
Fran Broussard-McDonald Warren Naujalis, its funny when people who werent there, decide to tell you what YOU saw with YOUR own eyes. Hier, à 17:25 · J’aime · 3
Warren Naujalis Lynne Dumin Kitei. Norio Hayakawa stated that Fife Symington has no credibility. What's your opinion on this statement. Why would his credibility be in question? While in office he did what most politicians would do. Seems like he's trying to right his wrongs. He certainly has nothing to gain by coming forward. Hier, à 18:57 · J’aime · 1
Fran Broussard-McDonald Warren Naujalis, if all of the airline pilots and astronauts would come forward once they've retired and admit what they've seen, it would be one hell of a symposium. But even then, there would be debunkers standing by trying to convince them they imagined the whole thing. Hier, à 19:05 · J’aime · 2
Warren Naujalis I agree. Hier, à 19:06 · J’aime · 1
Robert Sheaffer Symington is lying, he made up this “sighting” belatedly when he thought it might be politically expedient (and keep his name in the news): “I witnessed a massive delta-shaped, craft silently navigate over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona. It was truly breathtaking. I was absolutely stunned because I was turning to the west looking for the distant Phoenix Lights.”
“Phoenix lights” in the west = flare drops → after 10 PM. “Giant triangle” landed at Davis-Monthan before 9 PM.
If Symington saw the triangle UFO after the flares had appeared (after 10PM), he is the only one who did. Hier, à 19:07 · J’aime · 1
Robert Sheaffer Here is what I wrote on my BadUFOs Blog about Symington's supposed sighting:
“ I did not realize that former Arizona governor Fife Symington's belated confession that he, too, saw the big V-shaped UFO of the Phoenix lights, ten years after the fact, was made while (James) Fox was interviewing him. Later I had an opportunity to talk to Fox, and told him that there is good reason to believe that Symington is lying about his me-too sighting. (Symington was, after all, convicted on seven felony counts of fraud, overturned on a technicality, then pardoned by the outgoing President Clinton.) The first UFO event of the evening, the V-shaped lights (actually five Air National Guard A-10s flying in formation from Las Vegas to Tucson; Tim Printy has more about this) occurred from just before 8:00 PM until 8:45. The second event, that Fox agreed was a flare drop from different Air National Guard planes, began at 10:00 and lasted at most ten minutes. I reminded Fox that Symington claimed to have seen news coverage of the lights on TV, then went outside to look. He says he walked down to where the news crews had been filming the lights (the flare drop), and then saw the V-shape fly over, big and mysterious. However, there was no news coverage of the sightings before the planes landed about 8:45, and there could have been nobody filming the “lights” prior to 10:00, because the flares had not yet been dropped. Therefore Symington's claimed sighting occurred after 10:00, probably well after, and hence is an obvious fabrication. “No, he saw it at 8:20. It was 8:20,” Fox insisted. “How could he have seen news coverage of this by 8:20?”, I asked. “Maybe he heard chatter on the radio or something,” Fox said. “How could there have been news crews filming this by 8:20?”, I asked? Fox was having no more of this conversation. “Why would Symington have made this up?”, another man asked me. “Because of the news coverage it gave him, and feature stories in which he talks about his new business ventures. It would have cost a lot to buy the publicity he got for free by claiming a UFO sighting.” http://badufos.blogspot.com/.../ufos-in-desert-part-4.html
Bad UFOs: Skepticism, UFOs, and The Universe: UFOs in the Desert, Part 4 Reflections on UFOs, skepticism, and practically… BADUFOS.BLOGSPOT.COM Hier, à 19:18 · Je n’aime plus · 3
James Oberg I got my popcorn and have put my legs up on the chair, this'll be fun. Hier, à 19:59 · J’aime · 3
Curt Collins As Alex Sarmiento, might say, Symington made a Heel to Face turn. But for now, I'm more interested in the mention of same day news coverage. Has this been recovered, and what was being said? Hier, à 21:51 · J’aime
Laurent Chabin Robert Sheaffer, I had not registered that huge logical flaw. What you say can be seen in “secret access - ufos on the record (leslie kean)” @29:00. by the way, Mike Fortson a main witness has been very vocal saying he thinks Fife lies,but for another reason. Hear Kevin Smith Show 2010 feb 23.”And when gov Symington appeared in James Fox's show, in his first report , he said he was looking toward “White Tank Mountain” . So we look at each other and we say : White Tank is toward the WEST. And then suddenly, now his story is that he looked toward “Squaw Peak”. So I am wondering about that also Kevin. I have never met the governor, I respect him, but the reports don't match up.“ (from my engligh to french to english translation) Hier, à 22:24 · J’aime
Laurent Chabin But, one might say, Trig Johnston reported seeing a huge thing at 22h20-22h40 (20 minutes obs) Hier, à 22:27 · J’aime · 1
Lynne Dumin Kitei Warren, as a healthy skeptic I keep all cards on the table & find Symington's disclosure curious, to say the least. Have tried to meet with him since he came forward in 2008, just to thank him & learn details, but to no avail. To be clear, there were o…Voir plus Hier, à 23:25 · Modifié · Je n’aime plus · 5
Lynne Dumin Kitei And Robert, to set the record straight, if you look at the entensive data complied the past 18 years, you would note that DIFFERENT silent, mile wide CRAFT, as well as V shaped ORB arrays, continued to be spotted AFTER 10 pm, not only throughout AZ (including a Boeing crew coming into work at Sky Harbor IAP who reported a massive craft hovering over their tarmac at 5:30 am the NEXT MORNING), but 2 Commercial pilots, crew & 140 passengers en route from Phoenix to CA witnessed a similar Craft covering Las Vegas about 11 pm. The detailed experience & what happened when they tried to report it is shared in the latest edition of the Phoenix Lights Book. Hier, à 23:36 · Modifié · Je n’aime plus · 5
Warren Naujalis I must say I'm still on the fence about Symington. Just don't see how it benefits him in any way report a make believe UFO sighting. Then again he is a politician so any things possible. Seems like he had more to lose than to gain. Hier, à 23:23 · J’aime · 1
Warren Naujalis So there were sightings of after 10:00. That's interesting. Should've checked with Dr. Kitei before you wrote your article Robert. Hier, à 23:41 · J’aime
Lynne Dumin Kitei One of the reasons it was imperative to come forward Warren (after 7 yrs. of anonymity while meticulously searching for a logical explanation) was because of all the mis & dis-information “out there”. Ultimately felt that it was too important not to share the 'rest of the Phoenix Lights story', condensed from a detailed 750 pg Journal of the most credible data, beginning the day after thousands witnessed what I had been seeing & documenting on 35mm & video for 2 years. Then people can decide for themselves. The compelling info has been available since 2004. http://www.thephoenixlights.net/
PHOENIX LIGHTS - Welcome to the Phoenix Lights Network , an extraordinary event occurred across the state of… THEPHOENIXLIGHTS.NET 23 h · Modifié · J’aime · 1
Curt Collins Another big objection I have is where are all the reports to MUFON and NUFORC documenting this mass sighting? That would help verify that people were seeing and reporting this at the time instead of just making copycat claims later on. 23 h · J’aime · 1
Warren Naujalis Lynne Dumin Kitei that makes sense. I've been following your research for quite some time and find it to be incredibly thorough and compelling. 23 h · J’aime · 1
Lynne Dumin Kitei Thanks Warren! And Curt, there were a plethora of detailed reports to MUFON & NUFOC compiled immediately after the mass sighting & since. 17 h · Modifié · J’aime · 1
Warren Naujalis Peter Davenport of NUFORC stated his phones were very busy that night. 23 h · J’aime · 1
Curt Collins From a review of “The UFO Handbook” by Allan Hendry: The phenomenological analysis of IFO cases is startling. Extreme emotional responses are recorded in a significant number of cases. What is one to make of IFO case no. 871, where a star changing colour, caused one witness to pray, fearing the end of the world? Or the terror provoked by the Moon in case 280 which “made my hair stand on end”? Or sightings of stars which caused responses like “scared to death”, “torn between terror and curiosity”, or “a sign, premonition”. This sort of reaction makes one wonder if there are any clear dividing lines between IFOs and UFOs. http://mrobsr.blogspot.com/2010/07/ufo-handbook.html 23 h · J’aime · 2
Lynne Dumin Kitei Appreciate the data Curt. And good question. Significant to the Phoenix Lights witnesses is that in 18 years (to my knowledge) there has not been ONE report of harm, threat or abduction associated with the anomalous phenomena, quite the contrary. 18 h · Modifié · J’aime · 1
Laurent Chabin Curt Collins, just look here 1997/3/13 http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxe199703.html ndxLocOut NUFORC.ORG 22 h · J’aime · 1 · Supprimer l’aperçu
Curt Collins Thanks, now to sort the oriignal reports from the ones submitted later. 22 h · J’aime
Laurent Chabin Here they are in a single file : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/.../Phoenix_NUFORC… Report 37 = Mike Fortson. Report 12 = Tim Ley. 22 h · Modifié · J’aime · 1
Curt Collins I came up with 12 that I'd consider original reports, ones made with a month of the event: http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02605.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/022/S22201.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02077.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02082.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02124.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02072.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02083.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02078.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02070.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02076.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02073.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02079.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02066.html
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/002/S02066.html 22 h · J’aime
Warren Naujalis I wouldn't necessarily dismiss all reports that came later. Some probably just feared the inevitable ridicule and waited for others to come forward. There's strength in numbers. 22 h · J’aime · 1
Claude Falkstrom The video of the first event. http://www.discovery.com/.../ufos-over-phoenix-the-v.../ The V-Shaped Object A mysterious DISCOVERY.COM 22 h · J’aime · 2
Norio Hayakawa It's not difficult to figure that the First Event (8 p.m. - 8:30 p.m.) were a V formation of 5 high flying military aircraft…….the Second Event (10 p.m.) were flares. 21 h · J’aime
Norio Hayakawa The incident on March 13, 1997 in Phoenix, Arizona. THE BOGUS CLAIMS OF FORMER ARIZONA GOVERNOR FIFE SYMINGTON. WHY FIFE SYMINGTON IS A LIAR AND CANNOT BE TRUSTED from Robert Sheaffer: “Fife Symington made up this “sighting” belatedly when he thought it might be politically expedient (and keep his name in the news). He (*opportunistically) said: “I witnessed a massive, delta-shaped craft silently nagivate over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona. It was truly breathtaking. I was absolutely stunned because I was turning to the west looking for the distant “Phoenix Lights”. (“Phoenix Lights” in the west = flare drops → after 10 p.m. “Giant triangle” landed at Davis Monthan before 9 p.m. If Symington saw the triangle UFO after the flares had appeared (after 10 p.m.), he is the only one who did). I did not realize that former Arizona governor Fife Symington's belated confession that he, too, saw the big V-shaped UFO of the Phoenix lights, ten years after the fact, was made while (James) Fox was interviewing him. Later I had an opportunity to talk to Fox, and told him that there is good reason to believe that Symington is lying about his me-too sighting. (Symington was, after all, convicted on seven felony counts of fraud, overturned on a technicality, then pardoned by the outgoing President Clinton.) The first UFO event of the evening, the V-shaped lights (actually five Air National Guard A-10s flying in formation from Las Vegas to Tucson; Tim Printy has more about this) occurred from just before 8:00 PM until 8:45. The second event, that Fox agreed was a flare drop from different Air National Guard planes, began at 10:00 and lasted at most ten minutes. I reminded Fox that Symington claimed to have seen news coverage of the lights on TV, then went outside to look. He says he walked down to where the news crews had been filming the lights (the flare drop), and then saw the V-shape fly over, big and mysterious. However, there was no news coverage of the sightings before the planes landed about 8:45 p.m., and there could have been nobody filming the “lights” prior to 10:00 p.m. because the flares had not yet been dropped. Therefore Symington's claimed sighting occurred after 10:00 p.m., probably well after, and hence is an obvious fabrication. “No, he saw it at 8:20 p.m.. It was 8:20 p.m.,” Fox insisted. “How could he have seen news coverage of this by 8:20?”, I asked. “Maybe he heard chatter on the radio or something,” Fox said. “How could there have been news crews filming this by 8:20 p.m.?”, I asked? Fox was having no more of this conversation. “Why would Symington have made this up?”, another man asked me. “Because of the news coverage it gave him, and feature stories in which he talks about his new business ventures. It would have cost a lot to buy the publicity he got for free by claiming a UFO sighting.”
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Doug GypsyKing Curle so because Fife lied, if he did, we should discount all the witness testimony. seems legit, Norio Hayakawa 21 h · J’aime · 2
Doug GypsyKing Curle you are reaching my friend 21 h · J’aime · 1
Warren Naujalis Norio Hayakawa. Many witnesses like Tim Ley and Terri Mansfield reported these 5 lights or V Shaped craft a couple hundred feet above their heads going extremely slow and making no noise at all. The military aircraft in formation theory is clearly out the window. 21 h · Modifié · J’aime · 2
Norio Hayakawa Symington was indicted on 21 federal counts of extortion, making false financial statements, and bank fraud. He was convicted for seven counts of bank fraud on September 4, 1997. He was charged for defrauding his lenders as a commercial real estate developer, extorting a pension fund and perjuring himself in a bankruptcy hearing. As Arizona state law does not allow convicted felons to hold office, Symington resigned his office the next day. There is ZERO CREDIBILITY when it comes to Symington. 21 h · J’aime
Ryan Washington Norio you are getting desperate and using unrelated court cases and calling that UFO evidence. 19 h · J’aime · 2
James Oberg Why am I being sucked into this debate, Ryan?
Since I've been invited, I submit a study demonstrating that a moving formation of bright lights in the night sky has often been misinterpreted by some observers as one large object with mounted lights. This is not an argument for such an explanation for this case, just a claim that eliminating such a candidate explanation is not as easy as many argue: http://www.jamesoberg.com/1963_kiev-fireball-swarm-rev-B.pdf 17 h · J’aime · 3
Curt Collins The attempts to zoom in and enhance the individual “orbs” have only yielded grainy results, but some researchers insists they can discern some details.